2008 RX-8 Nats - How about Morgan Park, Warwick QLD?
04-27-2008 | 09:44 PM
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I hesitate to buy into this (being new to the Club) but very keen to attend a Nats and preferably in 2008. Can I suggest the following?
To settle this issue of the surplus funds can Hymee/Club officials/bank sigs send a group email to those who paid to attend the 2006 Nats advising them of a refund amount that is available to them and ask would they like to have it sent out to them or are they happy to leave it in the kitty to go towards the next Nats Day (whether or not it is 2008 or in Queensland). Not buying into rights and wrongs here but just suggesting a way to put the issue to rest.
Second, as time and options are disappearing fast, can we move on Lakeside quickly? It seems to me if there are 20 attendees the cost of the track is $300 each and that seems reasonable to me. If it is based on a no frills track day at least we have a starting point to work from. It can be built on if funds become available either from whatever remains from the 2006 surplus, or if more attendees than 20, or even if a further contribution is asked for and given.
I applaud mdr for showing a willingness to do what he can to move this along and if helped by others who have had some experience in organising this type of day (hi hymee) then hopefully there will be a Nats in Queensland this year!
I know it is easier said than done and maybe a bit weak for this to come from someone in Sydney who can do little to help if the Nats are held up there but it really needs someone in Queensland to run with this.
I for one at least would be very happy to attend a Nats at Lakeside.
To settle this issue of the surplus funds can Hymee/Club officials/bank sigs send a group email to those who paid to attend the 2006 Nats advising them of a refund amount that is available to them and ask would they like to have it sent out to them or are they happy to leave it in the kitty to go towards the next Nats Day (whether or not it is 2008 or in Queensland). Not buying into rights and wrongs here but just suggesting a way to put the issue to rest.
Second, as time and options are disappearing fast, can we move on Lakeside quickly? It seems to me if there are 20 attendees the cost of the track is $300 each and that seems reasonable to me. If it is based on a no frills track day at least we have a starting point to work from. It can be built on if funds become available either from whatever remains from the 2006 surplus, or if more attendees than 20, or even if a further contribution is asked for and given.
I applaud mdr for showing a willingness to do what he can to move this along and if helped by others who have had some experience in organising this type of day (hi hymee) then hopefully there will be a Nats in Queensland this year!
I know it is easier said than done and maybe a bit weak for this to come from someone in Sydney who can do little to help if the Nats are held up there but it really needs someone in Queensland to run with this.
I for one at least would be very happy to attend a Nats at Lakeside.
04-28-2008 | 01:06 AM
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From my point of view, there is no interstate pissing match/rivalry/etc. I consider myself to be a member of a national club and members from all states who have attended past Nats have got along like a house on fire. It matters not to me whether the people involved are from Qld, NSW, Vic or Pluto - all I wanted to flush out was what is intended to happen with the surplus funds and whether anyone is prepared to convene a Nats event in Qld. If it's too hard, fine, let's look at other options but please do not escalate this thing into a state v state argument - it's not!
04-28-2008 | 01:22 AM
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If you read page one of this thread you will see the push from Taka, Dave, MACCA and Timbo for the Nats to be held in Queensland and there was no secret then of surplus monies been held to get things started. On 14/10/07 Hymee, Jambos, xxup, mdr, Ltd and I met at McDonalds in Kallangur to discuss the prospoal. We met again at 7.00pm on 29/11/07 to discuss amongst many things a Nationals membership, and the prospect of the Incorporated Association that was registered for last years Nats to be CAMS Affiliated. We also discussed (on speaker phone) the Morgan Park plan will Bill Campbell and we soon learned of additional complications relating to the licence, and previoulsy unknown additional costs. The only thing ratified at that meeting was confirmation of having very little support from the Raceway and being faced with a lot of unknowns, particulary with costs. Knowing in advance there would be issues posed a risk for not only ourselves, but future National events.
In light of this, we decided to explore the option of holding the event at Queensland Raceway. I spoke with the owner, John Tetley who couldn't bend over backwards enough to offer support, guidance and point us in the direction for potential sponsors and suggestions how to make this a very successful event. The problem....a $5 - $6K price tag. I worked my *** off to attempt to get things together, and as all know by now due to circumstances beyond my contrrol have had to take a back seat on this.
Having just witnessed some of the agro attached to this thread, I'm asking myself that perhaps I'm lucky I didn't go through with it. The only reason why I raised the the idea of the States managing their own funds was because Timbo was asking for an answer on it. I'm now sorry I did because I was not aware of the 2006 and 2007 issues which is obviously the catalyst in this discussion. My position to support a Nats event is still on the table, however for a forum that is supposed to offer support and help towards people and events, all I see here is a bloody interstate shooting match....
In light of this, we decided to explore the option of holding the event at Queensland Raceway. I spoke with the owner, John Tetley who couldn't bend over backwards enough to offer support, guidance and point us in the direction for potential sponsors and suggestions how to make this a very successful event. The problem....a $5 - $6K price tag. I worked my *** off to attempt to get things together, and as all know by now due to circumstances beyond my contrrol have had to take a back seat on this.
Having just witnessed some of the agro attached to this thread, I'm asking myself that perhaps I'm lucky I didn't go through with it. The only reason why I raised the the idea of the States managing their own funds was because Timbo was asking for an answer on it. I'm now sorry I did because I was not aware of the 2006 and 2007 issues which is obviously the catalyst in this discussion. My position to support a Nats event is still on the table, however for a forum that is supposed to offer support and help towards people and events, all I see here is a bloody interstate shooting match....
But really, if all you see here is an interstate shooting match, you seem to be missing some of the points MACCAA, Timbo and myself have been at pains to make. Nobody from Qld need be defensive. These things are difficult to pull together (something I know only too well from working behind the scenes on the 2005 event). All we wanted was some open communication about longstanding issues, so we could move on. It's just a shame we've had to push so hard to make that happen.
04-28-2008 | 01:25 AM
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From my point of view, there is no interstate pissing match/rivalry/etc. I consider myself to be a member of a national club and members from all states who have attended past Nats have got along like a house on fire. It matters not to me whether the people involved are from Qld, NSW, Vic or Pluto - all I wanted to flush out was what is intended to happen with the surplus funds and whether anyone is prepared to convene a Nats event in Qld. If it's too hard, fine, let's look at other options but please do not escalate this thing into a state v state argument - it's not!
What I read and the way it was coming across to me and several others was a pissing match over a QLD bunch that had funds that belonged to the Nats.
It appears to me that Enforcer who was kind enough to stick his hand up to try and get the thing together was catching lots of flak for something he had nothing to do with in the past and had no control over.
Now he said he could not do it any longer so I said I am willing to stick my hand up but I am not willing to take the same flak for stuff I know nothing about and had nothing to do with like he was.
If you would rather take the job on the by all means I will be happy to step aside and let you go for it.
04-28-2008 | 01:28 AM
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All,
I hope this helps calm things to a certain extent.
I went out of my way to ensure that the 2006 event happened, instead of being called off as it looked like it was going to be. I didn't want that to happen, and it would have made it harder to get sponsorship etc in the future.
For some reason, unlike Timbo the previous year, I was not able to set up the event without a formal body in place, as I needed to deal with the Council (road closure), public liability insurance ($$$), write cheques, etc, etc, etc. Without a formal body in place, these things were not possible. I also wanted to present an entity to potential sponsors to get some backing - which worked well.
I funded the startup of an incorporated association "Mazda RX-8 Club of Australia (Inc)" to enable this. Perhaps that was a bad move, but it seemed necessary at the time. I couldn't see myself ringing up anyone and saying "I represent a informal bunch chat room guys, and I'd like to ask you if you could help us out by...."
I don't need to carry on about how much time, effort and phone calls went into essentially single handledly organising the whole 2006 event, when at the end of the day I was unable to attend due to shithouse health issues I wouldn't wish on decent people. I even had to cancel a paid for trip to Sevenstock9. I'm eternally greatful to people like Macca and XXUP who took up the slack in my absence. As it was, I recall XXUP leaving BNE with a bunch of cheques I wrote out to pay for all costs, bar some monies owed to Macca for out of pocket expenses. I can understand Macca being annoyed about those, and they were eventually paid with my abject appology.
As for the surplus money, the club account I set up has a current balance of $1,792.48.
What ever happend to the club (incorporated association)? Well, I guess it is still there in the system. The bank account certainly is. If anyone wants to take "it" (the club) on, then feel free - I'm happy to hand over, not that there is really anything to it. Paperwork mainly with state govt.
Is there going to be a 2008 event? I sure hope so. Enforcer cannot organise now due to commitments, which is unfortunate. But as I know myself, **** happens.
I'd rate Morgan Park as a no-go from my point of view. I'd rate QR as a chance, and much better suited to club days. However, now that Lakeside is again operational specifically for club days, I'd suggest we check them out again (owned by QR).
Norwell would be OK I guess as well.
I'd like to offer to take this on, but some of the bad blood evident above really makes me wonder if I am the sort of person to do such a thankless task.
All I can offer is to use the funds still in the clubs account as a deposit for a QR or Lakeside track booking if that is what we wish to do.
Cheers,
Hymee.
I hope this helps calm things to a certain extent.
I went out of my way to ensure that the 2006 event happened, instead of being called off as it looked like it was going to be. I didn't want that to happen, and it would have made it harder to get sponsorship etc in the future.
For some reason, unlike Timbo the previous year, I was not able to set up the event without a formal body in place, as I needed to deal with the Council (road closure), public liability insurance ($$$), write cheques, etc, etc, etc. Without a formal body in place, these things were not possible. I also wanted to present an entity to potential sponsors to get some backing - which worked well.
I funded the startup of an incorporated association "Mazda RX-8 Club of Australia (Inc)" to enable this. Perhaps that was a bad move, but it seemed necessary at the time. I couldn't see myself ringing up anyone and saying "I represent a informal bunch chat room guys, and I'd like to ask you if you could help us out by...."
I don't need to carry on about how much time, effort and phone calls went into essentially single handledly organising the whole 2006 event, when at the end of the day I was unable to attend due to shithouse health issues I wouldn't wish on decent people. I even had to cancel a paid for trip to Sevenstock9. I'm eternally greatful to people like Macca and XXUP who took up the slack in my absence. As it was, I recall XXUP leaving BNE with a bunch of cheques I wrote out to pay for all costs, bar some monies owed to Macca for out of pocket expenses. I can understand Macca being annoyed about those, and they were eventually paid with my abject appology.
As for the surplus money, the club account I set up has a current balance of $1,792.48.
What ever happend to the club (incorporated association)? Well, I guess it is still there in the system. The bank account certainly is. If anyone wants to take "it" (the club) on, then feel free - I'm happy to hand over, not that there is really anything to it. Paperwork mainly with state govt.
Is there going to be a 2008 event? I sure hope so. Enforcer cannot organise now due to commitments, which is unfortunate. But as I know myself, **** happens.
I'd rate Morgan Park as a no-go from my point of view. I'd rate QR as a chance, and much better suited to club days. However, now that Lakeside is again operational specifically for club days, I'd suggest we check them out again (owned by QR).
Norwell would be OK I guess as well.
I'd like to offer to take this on, but some of the bad blood evident above really makes me wonder if I am the sort of person to do such a thankless task.
All I can offer is to use the funds still in the clubs account as a deposit for a QR or Lakeside track booking if that is what we wish to do.
Cheers,
Hymee.
For what it's worth, there's no bad blood from my end. I've always liked and respected you and there's no change in that. Perhaps the nature of my profession leads me into attacking the issues more forcefully than some people are comfortable with but rest assured I have played the ball, not the man and will continue to do so.
04-28-2008 | 01:32 AM
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OK guys I made a couple of calls.
Right now Queensland raceway seems to had a tentative date of Oct 4th held for the RX-8 club of Australia. But they were told the cost was prohibitive so it was called off. $12,000 was the cost for a Sat.
However Keith just called me back we can have Lakeside now for 4 hours either on the 4th of Oct or the 11th for $4,000 or $6,000 for 6 hours which is the full day there.
I expressed concern about Lakeside maybe being a little too challenging for a club but Keith said they have run a number of club events there lately with out incident and they have done some upgrades to make it a bit safer.
So thoughts please cause to make this happen it has to decided pretty fast.
Also starting another thread so this all does not get lost in the other stuff going on here.
Right now Queensland raceway seems to had a tentative date of Oct 4th held for the RX-8 club of Australia. But they were told the cost was prohibitive so it was called off. $12,000 was the cost for a Sat.
However Keith just called me back we can have Lakeside now for 4 hours either on the 4th of Oct or the 11th for $4,000 or $6,000 for 6 hours which is the full day there.
I expressed concern about Lakeside maybe being a little too challenging for a club but Keith said they have run a number of club events there lately with out incident and they have done some upgrades to make it a bit safer.
So thoughts please cause to make this happen it has to decided pretty fast.
Also starting another thread so this all does not get lost in the other stuff going on here.
As in past years, I'm also happy to do what I can from Sydney to help out. Let me know if there's anything you need help on.
04-28-2008 | 01:34 AM
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I am not escalating anything.
What I read and the way it was coming across to me and several others was a pissing match over a QLD bunch that had funds that belonged to the Nats.
It appears to me that Enforcer who was kind enough to stick his hand up to try and get the thing together was catching lots of flak for something he had nothing to do with in the past and had no control over.
Now he said he could not do it any longer so I said I am willing to stick my hand up but I am not willing to take the same flak for stuff I know nothing about and had nothing to do with like he was.
If you would rather take the job on the by all means I will be happy to step aside and let you go for it.
What I read and the way it was coming across to me and several others was a pissing match over a QLD bunch that had funds that belonged to the Nats.
It appears to me that Enforcer who was kind enough to stick his hand up to try and get the thing together was catching lots of flak for something he had nothing to do with in the past and had no control over.
Now he said he could not do it any longer so I said I am willing to stick my hand up but I am not willing to take the same flak for stuff I know nothing about and had nothing to do with like he was.
If you would rather take the job on the by all means I will be happy to step aside and let you go for it.
Oh, forget it. I'm over it.
04-28-2008 | 01:37 AM
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Thank you Hymee for clearing the matter up for everyone.
There is no interstate rivalry on this matter...everyone just wanted to know what had happened to the funds and an explanation as to why things where done the way is was done.
As a 2006 "club member" I vote that the surplus funds be used towards the next Nats....thank you MDR for stepping in to help organise things. I am sure Enforcer will bring you up to date with where he was at when things got stalled.
It appears Lakeside is emerging as a viable alternative. I am sure there will be a lot of choices of accommodation within 10 to 20 minutes of the track.
C'mon everyone lets all get behind this and make Nats 2008 a reality.
skc
There is no interstate rivalry on this matter...everyone just wanted to know what had happened to the funds and an explanation as to why things where done the way is was done.
As a 2006 "club member" I vote that the surplus funds be used towards the next Nats....thank you MDR for stepping in to help organise things. I am sure Enforcer will bring you up to date with where he was at when things got stalled.
It appears Lakeside is emerging as a viable alternative. I am sure there will be a lot of choices of accommodation within 10 to 20 minutes of the track.
C'mon everyone lets all get behind this and make Nats 2008 a reality.
skc
04-28-2008 | 01:58 AM
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Agree with what Revolver said.Let's move on and go to Lakeside.
With the balance of funds Hymee has I'm more than happy to see it used for the 2008 Nats.That will greatly reduce costs.
There's no need for Revolver or anyone else to kick in $$$[although as a gesture of good faith it was pretty good!]
We don't need showbags or trinkets,just fine weather and a racetrack and the usual suspects and all will be good.
Just a suggestion to the organisers-if you can come up with accomodation easily,fine.Otherwise let everyone make their own arrangements.
It would be great if we could all be pretty much together,but don't kill yourself trying to do it.
Past Nats have shown accomodation to be one of the biggest headaches for the organisers.
Onward with the 2008 Nats.
Cheers
Len
With the balance of funds Hymee has I'm more than happy to see it used for the 2008 Nats.That will greatly reduce costs.
There's no need for Revolver or anyone else to kick in $$$[although as a gesture of good faith it was pretty good!]
We don't need showbags or trinkets,just fine weather and a racetrack and the usual suspects and all will be good.
Just a suggestion to the organisers-if you can come up with accomodation easily,fine.Otherwise let everyone make their own arrangements.
It would be great if we could all be pretty much together,but don't kill yourself trying to do it.
Past Nats have shown accomodation to be one of the biggest headaches for the organisers.
Onward with the 2008 Nats.
Cheers
Len
04-28-2008 | 02:12 AM
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I don't think accommodation will be a problem.
Just depends on where everyone wants to stay? Down at the Gold Coast party town or up in the BrisVegas area closer to the track. Either way we are far enough out that once we firm the date and track I will get everyones choice on location to stay and see if I can work a deal out with a decent place for a group rate and give everyone the code or number to make their own reservations with to get the discounted rates.
Just depends on where everyone wants to stay? Down at the Gold Coast party town or up in the BrisVegas area closer to the track. Either way we are far enough out that once we firm the date and track I will get everyones choice on location to stay and see if I can work a deal out with a decent place for a group rate and give everyone the code or number to make their own reservations with to get the discounted rates.
04-28-2008 | 02:30 AM
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Let's move on and go to Lakeside.
With the balance of funds Hymee has I'm more than happy to see it used for the 2008 Nats.That will greatly reduce costs.
We don't need showbags or trinkets,just fine weather and a racetrack and the usual suspects and all will be good.
Just a suggestion to the organisers-if you can come up with accomodation easily,fine.Otherwise let everyone make their own arrangements.
It would be great if we could all be pretty much together,but don't kill yourself trying to do it.
Onward with the 2008 Nats.
With the balance of funds Hymee has I'm more than happy to see it used for the 2008 Nats.That will greatly reduce costs.
We don't need showbags or trinkets,just fine weather and a racetrack and the usual suspects and all will be good.
Just a suggestion to the organisers-if you can come up with accomodation easily,fine.Otherwise let everyone make their own arrangements.
It would be great if we could all be pretty much together,but don't kill yourself trying to do it.
Onward with the 2008 Nats.
Apologies to those who took offence from previous posts.
My $2K offer still stands if there are short-term difficulties with funds.
04-28-2008 | 02:32 AM
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04-28-2008 | 06:18 AM
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Hi Guys,
I live at Springwood, bout 45mins drive from Lakeside on a Saturday and less than 5 mins off the M1 between Gold Coast and Brisbane.
I have enough room on my property for bout 40+ cars. I would be happy to organise a 3 course spit roast meal for roughly $15-$20 per head which we could have by a bonfire on the Saturday night.
There is plenty of accomadation available in Springwood ranging from $70 per night up to $180 per night within 5min drive from my place.
Just a thought if anyone is interested, happy to help in some way if needed!
Cheers
Col
I live at Springwood, bout 45mins drive from Lakeside on a Saturday and less than 5 mins off the M1 between Gold Coast and Brisbane.
I have enough room on my property for bout 40+ cars. I would be happy to organise a 3 course spit roast meal for roughly $15-$20 per head which we could have by a bonfire on the Saturday night.
There is plenty of accomadation available in Springwood ranging from $70 per night up to $180 per night within 5min drive from my place.
Just a thought if anyone is interested, happy to help in some way if needed!
Cheers
Col
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04-28-2008 | 06:40 AM
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Hymee, thank you for the explanation -- I don't think there's any bad blood at all -- there's just been a communication issue, and that inevitably leads to incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions. Anyway, it's all pretty clear now.
MDR, thanks for stepping in, mate. It's always the way of these things that someone has to step in as project manager. As long as you have a view about what is do-able, let people know costs early and get their commitment, and seek help when you need it, everything will be sweet (but it will make your life a bit busier). For all that, we thank you.
Col, you little ripper -- that sounds like a plan! Can I suggest one more step, which is to give people a bit of guide in relation to accommodation, ie, which places you'd put suggest your mum stay, which for your in-laws, and finally a good dog and cattery!
with some indication of prices. Typically, it's good if everyone can stay in one location, with shared facilities, for c.$70/night.
MDR, thanks for stepping in, mate. It's always the way of these things that someone has to step in as project manager. As long as you have a view about what is do-able, let people know costs early and get their commitment, and seek help when you need it, everything will be sweet (but it will make your life a bit busier). For all that, we thank you.
Col, you little ripper -- that sounds like a plan! Can I suggest one more step, which is to give people a bit of guide in relation to accommodation, ie, which places you'd put suggest your mum stay, which for your in-laws, and finally a good dog and cattery!
with some indication of prices. Typically, it's good if everyone can stay in one location, with shared facilities, for c.$70/night.
04-28-2008 | 05:15 PM
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Col, you little ripper -- that sounds like a plan! Can I suggest one more step, which is to give people a bit of guide in relation to accommodation, ie, which places you'd put suggest your mum stay, which for your in-laws, and finally a good dog and cattery! with some indication of prices. Typically, it's good if everyone can stay in one location, with shared facilities, for c.$70/night.
with some indication of prices. Typically, it's good if everyone can stay in one location, with shared facilities, for c.$70/night.Col, great idea for the post-trackday get together. Good on you!
04-28-2008 | 05:23 PM
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Having attended 2005 and 2006 (unfortunately missing 2007) I really want to make it to 2008! Put myself and wife down as starters. The earlier the date is set the better from my perspective as we will need to organise leave.
Thanks to Rev. et al for clearing this all up.
See ya all in QLD
Tony
Thanks to Rev. et al for clearing this all up.
See ya all in QLD
Tony
04-28-2008 | 06:32 PM
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RX-8 Nats Lakeside track, QLD Oct 4th.
Bottom line is mark your calendars the track has been reserved for us for Oct 4th
They are emailing me the booking forms then we will need a 20% deposit to complete the deal but he is willing to wait a little while on that so not pressing. Rest of the info is in this thread. https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/2008-rx8-nationals-lakeside-raceway-queensland-4-october-144514/
Bottom line is mark your calendars the track has been reserved for us for Oct 4th
They are emailing me the booking forms then we will need a 20% deposit to complete the deal but he is willing to wait a little while on that so not pressing. Rest of the info is in this thread. https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/2008-rx8-nationals-lakeside-raceway-queensland-4-october-144514/
04-28-2008 | 11:43 PM
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Agreed.
New developement to 2008 Nats here @ Lakeside raceway
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=144514
New developement to 2008 Nats here @ Lakeside raceway
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=144514
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