Another Mazda Misdiagnosis
11-28-2007 | 01:40 AM
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11-28-2007 | 05:23 AM
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I note with pleasure that others have sought a more balanced view of the situation.
If you feel that indeed you are a crusader for the truth against the evil Mazda empire, then take your complaint to the ACCC, or perhaps to tabloid TV.
11-28-2007 | 07:34 AM
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I pretend I dont see it but I prepare the following just in case. But the other moderators are using the website's name as search...
This engine was running in an RX8.
The blocks were swapped because it was thought to be faulty, but the problem was infact the coils, not the compression.
The engine has not been pulled apart and internals are still intact. It had done about 50000km I believe.
There is a waterpump still on the front, all sensors are still there (except crank angle). Also has a flywheel on rear.
electric oil metering pump is included, along with injection nozzles and supply lines.
Sump is still there and has not been taken off.
There are no manifolds.
I bought this engine with a view to put it into a project car, but the project never got off the ground. That old story.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Cheers.
Originally Posted by eBay description
Mazda RX8 Renesis engine block.
This engine was running in an RX8.
The blocks were swapped because it was thought to be faulty, but the problem was infact the coils, not the compression.
The engine has not been pulled apart and internals are still intact. It had done about 50000km I believe.
There is a waterpump still on the front, all sensors are still there (except crank angle). Also has a flywheel on rear.
electric oil metering pump is included, along with injection nozzles and supply lines.
Sump is still there and has not been taken off.
There are no manifolds.
I bought this engine with a view to put it into a project car, but the project never got off the ground. That old story.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Cheers.
11-28-2007 | 02:03 PM
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11-28-2007 | 11:43 PM
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I pretend I dont see it but I prepare the following just in case. But the other moderators are using the website's name as search...
Mazda RX8 Renesis engine block.
This engine was running in an RX8.
The blocks were swapped because it was thought to be faulty, but the problem was infact the coils, not the compression.
The engine has not been pulled apart and internals are still intact. It had done about 50000km I believe.
There is a waterpump still on the front, all sensors are still there (except crank angle). Also has a flywheel on rear.
electric oil metering pump is included, along with injection nozzles and supply lines.
Sump is still there and has not been taken off.
There are no manifolds.
I bought this engine with a view to put it into a project car, but the project never got off the ground. That old story.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Cheers.
Originally Posted by eBay description
Mazda RX8 Renesis engine block.
This engine was running in an RX8.
The blocks were swapped because it was thought to be faulty, but the problem was infact the coils, not the compression.
The engine has not been pulled apart and internals are still intact. It had done about 50000km I believe.
There is a waterpump still on the front, all sensors are still there (except crank angle). Also has a flywheel on rear.
electric oil metering pump is included, along with injection nozzles and supply lines.
Sump is still there and has not been taken off.
There are no manifolds.
I bought this engine with a view to put it into a project car, but the project never got off the ground. That old story.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Cheers.
I smell a rat!
11-29-2007 | 04:16 AM
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Another Mazda bash, although in the majority i have been happy with them, i had my 50k service today. Received a phone call from the service centre saying i need new brake rotors and pads immediately!!! When i asked how much, supplied, fitted etc, i was told......................$1200! After i finished laughing, i told him to leave the brakes alone, went straight to the net and found drilled and slotted 302mm front rotors for $360. I hadnt even looked hard, so ill trying to find an even better deal, but for the first link i clicked on, i took $840 off Mazda's price. $840 for labour? I think not. I just hope other 8 owners out there dont blindly take Mazda Dealers word for repairs etc. I have the forum to thank for my enlightenment, so thankyou!
11-29-2007 | 02:10 PM
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Another Mazda bash, although in the majority i have been happy with them, i had my 50k service today. Received a phone call from the service centre saying i need new brake rotors and pads immediately!!! When i asked how much, supplied, fitted etc, i was told......................$1200! After i finished laughing, i told him to leave the brakes alone, went straight to the net and found drilled and slotted 302mm front rotors for $360. I hadnt even looked hard, so ill trying to find an even better deal, but for the first link i clicked on, i took $840 off Mazda's price. $840 for labour? I think not. I just hope other 8 owners out there dont blindly take Mazda Dealers word for repairs etc. I have the forum to thank for my enlightenment, so thankyou!
also the resale value will drop .Cheers
Michael
11-29-2007 | 04:50 PM
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I look at the rotary engine akin to a boat motor or a Harley engine or many other products that are not conventional automotive engines. Parts are expensive. When I purchased my RX8 , I knew that it would cost me more for maintenance.I had the same problems with outrageous prices for repair on my boat and my Harley. I have not had the problems that other folks have had. Don't know why. My car has 52,000 mi. and I have not had flooding problems, coil problems, tranny problems, blown engine, blown tranny, rattles, clutch pedal breakage, or any other major problems. I did have a power loss problem that turned out to be a switch. I have tried to figure out why.... I realize that with any car, there will be some problems, but I have owned several new cars of different brands and have never had a major problem with any. I must be lucky. Hmmm. I suspect it has more to do with proper care and maintenance and not driving it like hell every time I start it up. zoom zoom zoom...
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11-29-2007 | 05:16 PM
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I look at the rotary engine akin to a boat motor or a Harley engine or many other products that are not conventional automotive engines. Parts are expensive. When I purchased my RX8 , I knew that it would cost me more for maintenance.I had the same problems with outrageous prices for repair on my boat and my Harley. I have not had the problems that other folks have had. Don't know why. My car has 52,000 mi. and I have not had flooding problems, coil problems, tranny problems, blown engine, blown tranny, rattles, clutch pedal breakage, or any other major problems. I did have a power loss problem that turned out to be a switch. I have tried to figure out why.... I realize that with any car, there will be some problems, but I have owned several new cars of different brands and have never had a major problem with any. I must be lucky. Hmmm. I suspect it has more to do with proper care and maintenance and not driving it like hell every time I start it up. zoom zoom zoom...
11-29-2007 | 06:31 PM
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Hey....... business is business, if you were able to make a profit dont tell me you wouldn't take up the opportunity? You are all whinging as you are on the receiving end, but if you had business and were making large profits I dont think you would be complaining.
11-29-2007 | 06:40 PM
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I interpreted that ebay sale as being he purchased the engine as it was replaced by mazda because they assumed something was wrong with the engine when nothing was wrong with it at all in the end it was the coils. therefore he bought the engine and was going to use it as its perfectly good engine but perhaps he just cannot be bothered to do his project anymore.
Car parts is not a monopoly market, why whinge, dont like it, go elsewhere omg!
Car parts is not a monopoly market, why whinge, dont like it, go elsewhere omg!
11-29-2007 | 06:41 PM
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Sounds fishy to me ... why would Mazda sell the engine back to him?
Mazda have to give it to you, or at least give you the option to take it when you purchase the replacement, due to the fact that the old engine is his property in the first place.
If it was a warranty thing, I find it hard to believe that Mazda would return the unit. They'd most likely rebuild it and use it again.
Mazda have to give it to you, or at least give you the option to take it when you purchase the replacement, due to the fact that the old engine is his property in the first place.
If it was a warranty thing, I find it hard to believe that Mazda would return the unit. They'd most likely rebuild it and use it again.
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11-29-2007 | 06:44 PM
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I guess the logical outcome of this discussion is that once again rotary cars will left to be serviced by the relatively few number of trusted specialists out there, and the Mazda dealers will eschew any responsibility. Which is a real pity and, in itself, likely to result in resale values of the RX-8 plummeting 
The discussion is becoming rather confused, covering the separate issues of (a) the competence of Mazda dealers service teams (b) the cost/availability of OEM Mazda parts (for which Mazda, like every mfr, does have a "monopoly") and (c) more generic parts and service. Perhaps it might be useful to start establishing some 'stickies' about each?
The discussion is becoming rather confused, covering the separate issues of (a) the competence of Mazda dealers service teams (b) the cost/availability of OEM Mazda parts (for which Mazda, like every mfr, does have a "monopoly") and (c) more generic parts and service. Perhaps it might be useful to start establishing some 'stickies' about each?
11-29-2007 | 07:45 PM
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Probably right.
If the dealers can't compete with rotary specialists for service, knowledge and parts prices (assuming the owner or specialist imports their own), why would you go back to a dealer after your warranty runs out other than for reflashes (and rotary oil)?
As Kall said, if you don't like the dealers, don't go there. I don't think it's merely whinging though - I think we've all learnt a few things the past week or so about possible causes for engine problems and the different ways you can save money on the fix.
As to the bigger picture, it's the downside of a niche product in a smallish market. Like it or lump it.
If the dealers can't compete with rotary specialists for service, knowledge and parts prices (assuming the owner or specialist imports their own), why would you go back to a dealer after your warranty runs out other than for reflashes (and rotary oil)?
As Kall said, if you don't like the dealers, don't go there. I don't think it's merely whinging though - I think we've all learnt a few things the past week or so about possible causes for engine problems and the different ways you can save money on the fix.
As to the bigger picture, it's the downside of a niche product in a smallish market. Like it or lump it.
11-29-2007 | 08:53 PM
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Yes, but it's 'not such a small market' spread across a very large land mass, so any business which is dependent on physical distribution for service and support across the market faces quite significant costs.
As we've seen from the various posts, it's often easier, faster and considerably less expensive to have something sent by FedEx from as far away as East Coast US. But that doesn't support the RX-8 in the Australian market
As we've seen from the various posts, it's often easier, faster and considerably less expensive to have something sent by FedEx from as far away as East Coast US. But that doesn't support the RX-8 in the Australian market
11-30-2007 | 12:05 AM
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I don't see there's a problem with generic parts, apart from (a) Mazda dealers offering them -- and I suspect they will, if you ask and (b) owners being aware that they are not limited to OEM Mazda parts for plugs, coils, brake rotors/pads, belts, filters, cats, clutches, bearings......
It's the old, old story: if you can get a good service manual and parts list, and get to know one of good ol' boys at your local Repco, probably more than half the parts you'll ever need are generic. But that shifts the time and effort from Mazda and their dealer to you, and you have to decide whether you can cope with that.
The specialist rotor shops will always be able to do engine/drivetrain rebuilds. The biggest stumbling block to long term ownership of the 8 (or any specialist car) will be proprietary control units, such as the ECU and the interior control unit that covers the whole HVAC/ICE in the centre stack.
(thinks: maybe I'll lay $20k down on desperate's black one with the park bench and perforations
, get it resprayed white and really give old 'mez the *****) 
It's the old, old story: if you can get a good service manual and parts list, and get to know one of good ol' boys at your local Repco, probably more than half the parts you'll ever need are generic. But that shifts the time and effort from Mazda and their dealer to you, and you have to decide whether you can cope with that.
The specialist rotor shops will always be able to do engine/drivetrain rebuilds. The biggest stumbling block to long term ownership of the 8 (or any specialist car) will be proprietary control units, such as the ECU and the interior control unit that covers the whole HVAC/ICE in the centre stack.
(thinks: maybe I'll lay $20k down on desperate's black one with the park bench and perforations
, get it resprayed white and really give old 'mez the *****)
11-30-2007 | 04:27 AM
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I interpreted that ebay sale as being he purchased the engine as it was replaced by mazda because they assumed something was wrong with the engine when nothing was wrong with it at all in the end it was the coils. therefore he bought the engine and was going to use it as its perfectly good engine but perhaps he just cannot be bothered to do his project anymore.
Car parts is not a monopoly market, why whinge, dont like it, go elsewhere omg!
Car parts is not a monopoly market, why whinge, dont like it, go elsewhere omg!