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We will not be using it as a racetrack anyway.

Tim Tam

The guy who said it was a salesman, he told how an MX-5 owner blew his clutch and they found a Wakefield receipt or something in his glovebox for the weekend previous. He laughed at the suggestion they'd cover that under warranty!

I don't suppose anyone has tried e-mailing Mazda over this?

EZZY

why the hell did they go through the glove box for...?
thats why always "clean inside" of your car before a service

clutch = wear and tear item, so i dont think it will be covered under warranty
unless there is manufature fault/defect

Revolver

'Nuff said.

Revolver

Absolutely right on both points.

Gomez

I'm heading up so I can kill some bugs on the way and spare the local farmers a few locusts. When I get there I'll chew the fat, talk some ****, take some photos, eat, drink and be merry......might even put the car on the circuit if I remember to pack my helmet.........

timbo

atta boy, Gomez! :D


Hey Tim Tam -- have a look back through this thread -- not too far, though. I have spoken with Mazda. While they cannot condone racing or anything, they ran driver education track days themselves for intending purchasers, and also the included the Murcott course for all purchasers. Why is this any different?

EZZY

i think the main difference is that the education track days and murcott course are endorsed/sponsored/CAMS licensed/insured by mazda and its under their "control..... whereas othertrackdays, mazda has no control over who is attending and doing whatever, and it is not covered under their CAMS/or whatever license/insurance.........

takahashi

And how do you know our ones does not need a CAMS licence for :D?

No bloody difference. I would say.

timbo

Hang on EZZY, let's not creat a problem where there isn't one --- as far as the track component of the Nats is concerned, we are running a controlled driver education activitiy on a closed road circuit. That circuit is appropriately licensed and we have paid for public liability cover. Entry to and activity on the track will be controlled and monitored, and all participants will be required to abide by comprehensive safety and responsibility rules.

By providing this facility, we will enable participants to experience their car on a track which will give them a greater understanding of its dynamics, handling characteristics and enable them to be able to handle the car in a variety of situations more safely.

There may be break downs during the course of the day, but these will not be due to any requirements we the organisers are placing on the cars as part of the day. The issue then comes back to one of either driver abuse or premature part failure. Where either of these things happen should be of no concern.

EZZY

just trying to state the obvious issues.... most of the times the car manufactures are just as bad as the insurance companies when it comes to making a claim.
please to know things are covered, and im sure this will be a successful event...
as far as im concerned, mazda australia is in a win-win situation....

timbo

Yeah, I know -- didn't mean to sound harsh....but there's enough things to do already.

IMHO, the manufacturers are always likely to want to give you a hard time, and you need to be able to prove your innocence

Tim Tam

How do you figure that? Are we applying for Registered Training Organisation status with the Australian National Training Authority? Do we have membership with the Australian College of Road Safety?

I don't mean to be difficult, but what makes a bunch of guys booking a racetrack for the day a driver education activity? That's like Lock & Load coming back from the brothel and telling his missus he's been conducting "sex education training".

Revolver

Tim,

Obtaining RTO status with ANTA or joining ACRS is not a prerequisite to running a driver education day. Don't confuse affiliation with education.

For starters, ACRS is not much more than a lobby group. I've had dealings with its president and NSW head honcho who are both great guys and obviously care a great deal about road safety but their imprimatur is not required to qualify as a driver educator.

And with respect, what we're setting up is much more than just a bunch of guys booking a race track for the day. You will shortly see that it is to be a professionally run event with appropriate rules designed to ensure everyone learns more about their car in a safe environment.

Perhaps you would do better to withhold further comment until you have seen the Event Guide (which shall be available VERY soon).

Wildcard

I'm with Tim Tam on this one.

Confirm we are just a bunch of guys hiring the track for the day? This seems to have grown way beyond the original scope of the day We are starting to bicker like a car club, which is the last thing I thought we wanted!

Revolver

Well, we could have just hired a track for the day but that provides very little incentive for people to travel from interstate to be there. So you either shoot for a national event or you just go to separate track days in your own state and not bother.

Perhaps I should just use that wonderful word:

Whatever...

takahashi

Good and sound analogy though. But we are more professional than that really.

We believe in the "no touching" of the mechandise policy. :p

I believe it is a professionally run events, or at least as close to that as possible. There is no nonsense allow on the track and everything is gentle and mild. The only thing it will run down is your body by the end of the day.

timbo

I am not sure what the problem is here, and the posts by Tim Tam and Wildcard seem (to me) to be at crossed purposes

Let me summarise what we are trying to do as simply as possible.

1. We're trying to provide enough organisation and program for the event to be attractive for people to come long distances, have fun, and not encourage activities which may give rise to warranty and related concerns.

2. We're not going over the top so that the thing becomes a bureaucracy (RTO, ANTA...... oh puhlease!) run by a club of egos. Everyone involved with this is volunteering considerable (and expensive) time to provide enough organisation to give participants the security and safety they need to have fun. The volunteering process was purely self-selecting and we're always ready for more help.

As I said, I'm not sure what the problem is, or if it is some form of veiled criticism...and I'm pretty thick-skinned (there's a lot of it around this week ) But if what people want is a donut, burn-out, drifting free-for-all, then I am afraid the Nats is not the place for you

Lock & Load

HA HA HA , HOPE THE MISSES DOESNT SEE THIS POST ohh the price of infamy :D

I preffer to call it" sex education tuition " training is for beginners :p


B...free
michael

Gomez

Count me in. I'll assist at the event in any way I can. Keep up the good work.

Tim Tam

But we're not going to have pace cars or anything, right? And if someone gets a bit carried away and spins out, they won't get sin-binned, right? We can still have a little bit of a go?

timbo

No pace cars ; no-one's going to be sin-binned for accidently overcooking it on a corner (but we obviously cannot tolerate foolish, dangerous driving ) and you'll be able to extend yourself and the car much more than would be legal on a public road --- that's the idea

Tim Tam

Then it sounds ALL GOOD!

timbo

Now get on the job, and organise a Canberra get-together!

takahashi

You will just hear me mumble mumble nag nag when I dig your car out of the kitty litter