Got fined for driving a high powered vehicle!!!
04-12-2005, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Zephyr
This is pathetic, damn cops! they just never give up do they! 
btw, looked at your sig, whats custom leather
04-12-2005, 08:43 AM
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Hey....do the crime, do the time. It's not as if you didn't know you're not allowed to drive an RX-8. I'm surprised that you're the first "P" plater on this forum who's reported getting nabbed. An RX-8 with a "P" plate would be a beacon to an observant copper.
What happens now? They watch you and ping you every day?
What happens now? They watch you and ping you every day?
04-12-2005, 08:45 AM
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RX8 and a Truk....
Do you have an RX8???
If so, that'd be an easy ticket to have dissmissed:
"Your Honor - this dyno print-out CLEARLY shows I do NOT drive a high-powered vehicle..."
:D
If so, that'd be an easy ticket to have dissmissed:
"Your Honor - this dyno print-out CLEARLY shows I do NOT drive a high-powered vehicle..."
:D
04-12-2005, 10:32 AM
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So you got fine about you dirve a RX8 because it is a high powered vehicle?
Don't believe it man. ELITEred-rx8 he got full over becuase his mods. but never say he can't drive the car.
so how much is the fine? points? or they have other things to stop P plate driver??
Don't believe it man. ELITEred-rx8 he got full over becuase his mods. but never say he can't drive the car.
so how much is the fine? points? or they have other things to stop P plate driver??
04-12-2005, 11:12 AM
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P Plates....
.......a series of different coloured plates, for provisional licences, they are limited speed/hours/passengers/displacement and power. (no more than 125 kw per tonne of vehicle weight)
Keeps 'new' drivers out of V8s, turbos, etc.
S
Keeps 'new' drivers out of V8s, turbos, etc.
S
04-12-2005, 04:22 PM
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So it's basically a learner's permit. At least you didn't need someone of legal driving age to sit in the front passenger seat with you like you do here. At least that's how I remember it here in Texas.
04-12-2005, 05:53 PM
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the fine was about $100 dollars, no points lost and they even let me drive the car away. all they said was the car was listed in the vicroad site about being high powered vehicle and Ps can't drive them. i've been driving for like a year now with the car with no troubles at all from cops wut so ever but this is the first time. and i only had like a month to go untill i get my full!!!. thats just bad luck
i even tried to argue about with them about the fine being so pathetic, but they told me they saw a P plate die driving a high powered vehicle in front of thier eyes. but i reckon it's the behaviour that you drive the car that leads to accidents not coz of the car!!! dont you guys think so???
i even tried to argue about with them about the fine being so pathetic, but they told me they saw a P plate die driving a high powered vehicle in front of thier eyes. but i reckon it's the behaviour that you drive the car that leads to accidents not coz of the car!!! dont you guys think so???
04-12-2005, 06:14 PM
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There's a 'one hand...and then on the other' about this. First, there is a correlation between road deaths, high powered vehicles, and young (sorry, inexperienced) drivers -- so the data does support the reg. It has been more strongly proven in relation to motorcycles.
But on the other, the thing that p!sses me off is that there is absolutely no recognition given to those younger (more experienced) drivers who have undertaken more advanced driver training. So there is no incentive in the reg system to positively change behaviour and ensure improved, safer skills, although I understand some states (NSW?) are giving consideration to this.
Half-assed thinking about road safety really sucks!
But on the other, the thing that p!sses me off is that there is absolutely no recognition given to those younger (more experienced) drivers who have undertaken more advanced driver training. So there is no incentive in the reg system to positively change behaviour and ensure improved, safer skills, although I understand some states (NSW?) are giving consideration to this.
Half-assed thinking about road safety really sucks!
04-12-2005, 06:20 PM
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I don't understand, can an Aussie please explain this "high powered vehicle" fine? Sounds pretty lame to me... 
There is also a limit to 5L engine. 3.5L per tonne or something.
They said if you drive a modified car. You should have prove that your vehicle does not exceed this limit. So have a dyno sheet (or a **** one) in your car LOL.
04-12-2005, 06:29 PM
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Whitout mentioning car colour or name a certain Australian member with considerable driving skiils within yes a few hours of getting his brand new RX8 managed to crash and wreck his new toy to the tune of a $30,000 repair bill .
Took the panel beaters nearly 3 months to get his car back on the road , keep that in mind before you go out and play . :D
cheers
michael
Took the panel beaters nearly 3 months to get his car back on the road , keep that in mind before you go out and play . :D
cheers
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04-12-2005, 07:17 PM
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There has been a great deal of discussion in the media recently about the high accident and fatality rate of young drivers, particularly male young drivers. Here's a brief synopsis:
1. That portion of the brain involved in assessing and modifying risk-taking behaviour doesn't mature in males until their late 'teens, and does not reach full maturity until the mid-'20's. Given the natural variability among human beings, it is quite possible that this portion of the brain may never mature among some, which could explain the actions of L&L's acquaintance.
2. A recent survey of young teenage males showed that most considered themselves able to drive safely at speed. They considered that their "superior" reflexes were a good safeguard. Most had no idea of the relationship between vehicle speed and stopping distance and the effect of vehicle mass on stopping distance (eg, the difference in driving a car with a full passenger load and one with the driver as sole occupant). Most considered high-powered vehicles to be suitable for new drivers. (In my opinion, a lack of understanding of Newton's Laws of Motion or their implications is responsible for this - the education system has a part to play in making general science compulsory into the final years of high school and ramming home these very simple and practical principles of basic physics).
3. There is little evidence to suggest that advanced driving courses modify risk-taking behaviour in younger driver's - in fact they might work the other way.
For what it's worth, I would consider raising the minimum age to obtain a driver's licence to 18, as it was when I got my licence. Other restrictions on the power/mass ratio of the vehicle (I think 125kW/t is way too high - it should be based on an unmodified Hyundai Excel), number of passengers, alcohol blood limit etc. should apply until the driver is 25 (yes, 25!). They would then be able to apply for an unrestricted licence, subject to a satisfactory driving record.
Whether or not we as a community are willing to bite this particular bullet depends on the courage of politicians (now there's an oxymoron!) to confront the problem of disproportionate fatalities among young drivers. The current measures are ****-weak at best. Politically, the easy way around it would be to wait until compulsory voting is abolished. If voting was made voluntary, most young people wouldn't bother, so you could rip the legislation through no sweat.
1. That portion of the brain involved in assessing and modifying risk-taking behaviour doesn't mature in males until their late 'teens, and does not reach full maturity until the mid-'20's. Given the natural variability among human beings, it is quite possible that this portion of the brain may never mature among some, which could explain the actions of L&L's acquaintance.
2. A recent survey of young teenage males showed that most considered themselves able to drive safely at speed. They considered that their "superior" reflexes were a good safeguard. Most had no idea of the relationship between vehicle speed and stopping distance and the effect of vehicle mass on stopping distance (eg, the difference in driving a car with a full passenger load and one with the driver as sole occupant). Most considered high-powered vehicles to be suitable for new drivers. (In my opinion, a lack of understanding of Newton's Laws of Motion or their implications is responsible for this - the education system has a part to play in making general science compulsory into the final years of high school and ramming home these very simple and practical principles of basic physics).
3. There is little evidence to suggest that advanced driving courses modify risk-taking behaviour in younger driver's - in fact they might work the other way.
For what it's worth, I would consider raising the minimum age to obtain a driver's licence to 18, as it was when I got my licence. Other restrictions on the power/mass ratio of the vehicle (I think 125kW/t is way too high - it should be based on an unmodified Hyundai Excel), number of passengers, alcohol blood limit etc. should apply until the driver is 25 (yes, 25!). They would then be able to apply for an unrestricted licence, subject to a satisfactory driving record.
Whether or not we as a community are willing to bite this particular bullet depends on the courage of politicians (now there's an oxymoron!) to confront the problem of disproportionate fatalities among young drivers. The current measures are ****-weak at best. Politically, the easy way around it would be to wait until compulsory voting is abolished. If voting was made voluntary, most young people wouldn't bother, so you could rip the legislation through no sweat.
04-12-2005, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Zephyr
i think all they want is commission from the fine!!!!
04-12-2005, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ELITE-RX8
So you got fine about you dirve a RX8 because it is a high powered vehicle?
Don't believe it man. ELITEred-rx8 he got full over becuase his mods. but never say he can't drive the car.
so how much is the fine? points? or they have other things to stop P plate driver??
Don't believe it man. ELITEred-rx8 he got full over becuase his mods. but never say he can't drive the car.
so how much is the fine? points? or they have other things to stop P plate driver??
what mods did they made ELITEred-rx8 ban?
04-12-2005, 08:52 PM
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Your analysis is sound in a lot of respects but consideration also needs to be given to the enforceability of any such regulations. The present regulations encourage those on provisional licences driving cars over the posted power limit not to display their "P" plates, thus making enforcement more a question of chance. Alternatively, it encourages the disguising of a breach by driving a "Q" car that is more powerful than the stock version.
It has long been good lawmaking policy that a law which is unenforceable is bad law. That policy sits side by side with the policy that a law which most people disobey is also bad law (posted freeway speed limits coming to mind here folks?).
Young people will always think they are eternal and bullet-proof no matter what regulations are enacted. Those who wish to take risks will find it just as easy to kill themselves in an Excel as in a RX8. The kind of maturity we are discussing does not magically appear at the age of 18 or even 25. We all know guys well into their twenties and early thirties who still take ridiculous risks on the road. If you wish to reduce the rate of young fatalities the only sure way is to stop everyone under 25 from driving at all. That is simply unworkable for any number of reasons.
Young people must be allowed to take some risks in general life in order to discover where the limits lie. To remove all risk removes part of the human identity. However, we are talking about an endeavour where the lives of others are also capable of being affected.
My personal view is that education is the key. Not some one day course that teaches you how to power slide. I believe licencing should be subject to more long term and intensive instruction. A compulsory tour of most busy Hospital Emergency centres on a Saturday night and presentations by those who have been seriously injured in a motor vehicle accident can also work wonders.
BTW, those who have followed John Cadogan's excellent series of articles on road safety in the press and Wheels magazine will know that speed is less of a contributor to fatalities than the revenue raisers like RTAs would have us believe. When you think about it, any public institution with the responsibility to at least partially fund road building and other works has a vested interest in propping up the thinking behind revenue raisers like speed cameras.
It is great to see this kind of debate being fostered in the media. We're obviously not doing the right things to keep our young drivers alive. Let's hope we start doing the right thing before too many more die.
Your analysis is sound in a lot of respects but consideration also needs to be given to the enforceability of any such regulations. The present regulations encourage those on provisional licences driving cars over the posted power limit not to display their "P" plates, thus making enforcement more a question of chance. Alternatively, it encourages the disguising of a breach by driving a "Q" car that is more powerful than the stock version.
It has long been good lawmaking policy that a law which is unenforceable is bad law. That policy sits side by side with the policy that a law which most people disobey is also bad law (posted freeway speed limits coming to mind here folks?).
Young people will always think they are eternal and bullet-proof no matter what regulations are enacted. Those who wish to take risks will find it just as easy to kill themselves in an Excel as in a RX8. The kind of maturity we are discussing does not magically appear at the age of 18 or even 25. We all know guys well into their twenties and early thirties who still take ridiculous risks on the road. If you wish to reduce the rate of young fatalities the only sure way is to stop everyone under 25 from driving at all. That is simply unworkable for any number of reasons.
Young people must be allowed to take some risks in general life in order to discover where the limits lie. To remove all risk removes part of the human identity. However, we are talking about an endeavour where the lives of others are also capable of being affected.
My personal view is that education is the key. Not some one day course that teaches you how to power slide. I believe licencing should be subject to more long term and intensive instruction. A compulsory tour of most busy Hospital Emergency centres on a Saturday night and presentations by those who have been seriously injured in a motor vehicle accident can also work wonders.
BTW, those who have followed John Cadogan's excellent series of articles on road safety in the press and Wheels magazine will know that speed is less of a contributor to fatalities than the revenue raisers like RTAs would have us believe. When you think about it, any public institution with the responsibility to at least partially fund road building and other works has a vested interest in propping up the thinking behind revenue raisers like speed cameras.
It is great to see this kind of debate being fostered in the media. We're obviously not doing the right things to keep our young drivers alive. Let's hope we start doing the right thing before too many more die.
04-12-2005, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by labrat
For what it's worth, I would consider raising the minimum age to obtain a driver's licence to 18, as it was when I got my licence. Other restrictions on the power/mass ratio of the vehicle (I think 125kW/t is way too high - it should be based on an unmodified Hyundai Excel), number of passengers, alcohol blood limit etc. should apply until the driver is 25 (yes, 25!). They would then be able to apply for an unrestricted licence, subject to a satisfactory driving record.
Whether or not we as a community are willing to bite this particular bullet depends on the courage of politicians (now there's an oxymoron!) to confront the problem of disproportionate fatalities among young drivers. The current measures are ****-weak at best. Politically, the easy way around it would be to wait until compulsory voting is abolished. If voting was made voluntary, most young people wouldn't bother, so you could rip the legislation through no sweat.
Whether or not we as a community are willing to bite this particular bullet depends on the courage of politicians (now there's an oxymoron!) to confront the problem of disproportionate fatalities among young drivers. The current measures are ****-weak at best. Politically, the easy way around it would be to wait until compulsory voting is abolished. If voting was made voluntary, most young people wouldn't bother, so you could rip the legislation through no sweat.
I agree in most point though. People should not be driving high power car without knowing the danger or knowledge of controlling one. I am assure you most Ferrari drivers are **** driver and there are many 30 year old moron driving V8s. What are you going to do with those people? What are you doing to do with the tradsmen driving their SS ute down the highway at 120kmh? You will find me isolating the particular group, but I think people are isolating the young drivers too!
People need to be educated. And yes I think the current driving course and test is far to inferior adn too easy. They should have more on road education and I am not wanting everyone able to race on the tracetrack.
Have you seen people talking about the driving course and said they are fun. They expect to be able to show their stuff. Actually the densive driving course is education and meant to be boring. But it is something that you need to learn, so as the maths in your 4th grade. Otherwise, you will not be able to calculate your mortgage.... I think it is the same with driving.
04-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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My personal view is that education is the key. Not some one day course that teaches you how to power slide. I believe licencing should be subject to more long term and intensive instruction. A compulsory tour of most busy Hospital Emergency centres on a Saturday night and presentations by those who have been seriously injured in a motor vehicle accident can also work wonders.
I am still doing PM on car deaths. So stay away from Gippsland please
Die somewhere else.
04-12-2005, 09:37 PM
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https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...62&page=5&pp=5
https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/veilside-kit-here-pics-54621/
Check out those link if you want to see them. Silver one is my and red which is my friend's. not turbo or anything. but enough to get police **** off with both car.
my friend go full over and found he had no licence but driving S2000. so gave him fine. but the police let him drive the car home too.
Police just trying to give up fines thats all i guess.
https://www.rx8club.com/australia-new-zealand-forum-37/veilside-kit-here-pics-54621/
Check out those link if you want to see them. Silver one is my and red which is my friend's. not turbo or anything. but enough to get police **** off with both car.
my friend go full over and found he had no licence but driving S2000. so gave him fine. but the police let him drive the car home too.
Police just trying to give up fines thats all i guess.
04-12-2005, 11:15 PM
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Move to Sydney.
In my area, every few "high powered" car usually would be a P-plater.
As for myself I've gotten away with running 2 red lights and twice for driving a manual car with an auto license. I must say, government treats us youngsters much nicer in NSW.
So do they expect you to sell your car over there in victoria if you own one of these high powered cars?
In my area, every few "high powered" car usually would be a P-plater.
As for myself I've gotten away with running 2 red lights and twice for driving a manual car with an auto license. I must say, government treats us youngsters much nicer in NSW.
So do they expect you to sell your car over there in victoria if you own one of these high powered cars?
04-13-2005, 12:42 AM
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Vic Roads states (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...256B660015129F):
High powered vehicles
While you can drive most vehicles, you are not permitted to drive a high powered vehicle. These are vehicles which have a power to weight ratio greater than 125 kilowatts per tonne or with a capacity to weight ratio of more than 3.5 litres per tonne. A list of cars which may not be driven is available from VicRoads Customer Service Centres or you can view the restricted vehicle guide (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...256EC900144EC0).
You may drive a high powered vehcile if your employer requires you to drive it in the course of your
employment, or if you hold an exemption issued by VicRoads. VicRoads will only grant an exemption if:
is the only car owned by your family
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Unfortunately the 8 has a Power to weight of ~130KW/tonne at the flywheel according to manufacturers spec.
The part that bugs me in all this is the number of P Platers I see driving V8 commodores and falcons which are so blatantly against the power/weight ratio that they make "Most Common vehicles" list http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf...edVehicles.pdf. I can go so far as to say that I know a number of P Platers that have cars like Maloo's and even just standard Commodores (but are clearly on that list issued by VicRoads themselves) that are registered in their own name...So VicRoads has allowed a P Plate driver to register a car in their own name that is defined by them as illigal for them to drive!!
Dont get me wrong, I dont beleive in the fact that all P Platers should be banned from them, but there should be something to stop those P Platers (both male and female) that have no idea what damage they are only millimeters from causing with their vehicle.
Andrew
High powered vehicles
While you can drive most vehicles, you are not permitted to drive a high powered vehicle. These are vehicles which have a power to weight ratio greater than 125 kilowatts per tonne or with a capacity to weight ratio of more than 3.5 litres per tonne. A list of cars which may not be driven is available from VicRoads Customer Service Centres or you can view the restricted vehicle guide (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...256EC900144EC0).
You may drive a high powered vehcile if your employer requires you to drive it in the course of your
employment, or if you hold an exemption issued by VicRoads. VicRoads will only grant an exemption if:
is the only car owned by your family
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Unfortunately the 8 has a Power to weight of ~130KW/tonne at the flywheel according to manufacturers spec.
The part that bugs me in all this is the number of P Platers I see driving V8 commodores and falcons which are so blatantly against the power/weight ratio that they make "Most Common vehicles" list http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf...edVehicles.pdf. I can go so far as to say that I know a number of P Platers that have cars like Maloo's and even just standard Commodores (but are clearly on that list issued by VicRoads themselves) that are registered in their own name...So VicRoads has allowed a P Plate driver to register a car in their own name that is defined by them as illigal for them to drive!!
Dont get me wrong, I dont beleive in the fact that all P Platers should be banned from them, but there should be something to stop those P Platers (both male and female) that have no idea what damage they are only millimeters from causing with their vehicle.
Andrew