HID Capsules..
06-08-2004, 10:44 PM
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HID Capsules..
Just a qucik question to all leather pack owners, have any of you tried changing the Xenon HID Capsules in your headlamps, to a different coloured capsule, ie slightly blue or slightly purple...(something that gives off a higher Kelvin rating) ?
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06-09-2004, 04:29 AM
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Bugger, I was looking at a site that sold 5200K, 5800K and even 6000K HIDS... must try and find it. Try doing a search for Bulbs with those Kelvin temps and see what you come up with... on a side note, fitted all the stealth bulbs to my car, rear LED clusters and ultra white LED driving lights.... WOOHOO! Very sweet :D
06-09-2004, 08:42 AM
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i already got pulled over once by the cops who believe my factory lights are too bright......
she (yes, a policewoman) reckons i have aftermarket lights done on my 8 even tho it's plain factory (no it was not on high beams). she tried to gimme a yellow sticker (not sure if u guys have that in the eastern states) took me awhile to convince her that the lights were standard.
so yeh, dun think i'd dare to do any mods to the lights, especially if it means it'd brighter
she (yes, a policewoman) reckons i have aftermarket lights done on my 8 even tho it's plain factory (no it was not on high beams). she tried to gimme a yellow sticker (not sure if u guys have that in the eastern states) took me awhile to convince her that the lights were standard.
so yeh, dun think i'd dare to do any mods to the lights, especially if it means it'd brighter
06-09-2004, 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by takahashi
Police are stupid isn't it? She prob just want to see the car.
Police are stupid isn't it? She prob just want to see the car.
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06-09-2004, 09:44 AM
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I guess it is ok to have HID up to 5500K... I don't think it is bright enough for Victorian Police yet. Some SS in SE suburb here have serious headlight and fog light c/f where my folks lives (old people suburb... oops :ps)
06-09-2004, 05:15 PM
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Speaking about lights as i was filling up the tank yesterday afternoon i saw a yellow RX8 with Full circle rally lights hanging infront of the fron bar at the top.
They where connected nearly flush with the bonnet and about 7 Inches in diameter. 30 cm apart..
Looked very very ugly..
Anyway back on topic..
Anyone know what i can add to my poverty lights to make them look better? :D
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Phillip
They where connected nearly flush with the bonnet and about 7 Inches in diameter. 30 cm apart..
Looked very very ugly..
Anyway back on topic..
Anyone know what i can add to my poverty lights to make them look better? :D
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06-09-2004, 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Lock & Load
TAKA
Are you being kept awake by your baby ???
Newly married and up at 12.50 am on the forum hmmmmm.or are you typing from your bedroom .ha ha ha .
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TAKA
Are you being kept awake by your baby ???
Newly married and up at 12.50 am on the forum hmmmmm.or are you typing from your bedroom .ha ha ha .
cheers
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06-09-2004, 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hymee
Don't you just love it when the police make an arbitary decision about "too bright" etc. I bet they didn't even have a light meter
Don't you just love it when the police make an arbitary decision about "too bright" etc. I bet they didn't even have a light meter
Do we have an optical engineer here to explain?
I used to study optics for ophthalmology entry exam but quit after finding out there are too many bitches on the job.
06-09-2004, 06:10 PM
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You should have specialised in RXOLOGY then you could play with cars all day .
My nephew Daniel , Lindas brother is going to be a Anaestasist ( Legal very well paid drug pusher )
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You should have specialised in RXOLOGY then you could play with cars all day .
My nephew Daniel , Lindas brother is going to be a Anaestasist ( Legal very well paid drug pusher )
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06-09-2004, 06:49 PM
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A few things....
firstly PEPE can you please attach images, or if you wish, pm me the pics....I dig lighting (strange hobby, but then thats my profession, I am a LIGHTING DESIGNER)
2ndly TAKA you are right 5500k isnt 2 bright. The minute you get away from factory standard HID (ie go towards more blue purple black watever....) your light becomes less brighter.
that is because the addition of colours acts as a filter to clear.
For instance, if you put a very very thin piece of blue cellophane in front of a headlamp, you would have cut ALOT of light brightness. Now no one i'm sure wants light that blue, but as a principle, thats what happens.
What happens with higher kelvin HID capsules, is that the glass capsule is tinted a very fine hue of purple etc (it only has to be a tint) to compensate for the whitey-yellow (most minute portion)in the HID shade. Once this is done you are guaranteed a pure white light with a slight touch of purple or blue or whatever the tint was.
So how do s2000, etc have a more purple light.... Well the capsules prob, have a higher xenon gas component or slightly different metal salt content. I mean i've even heard that most capsule are the same, its just the housing (on the inside of the headlamp), which adds just a touch of difference)
So yeah thats basically it, i'm no genius, but if someone knows better/more/different speak up, were here to learn.
Oh and forget the cops, funny how when your house is falling down, you have to contact em for help, but they are on your case in a heartbeat for "slightly" different lighting (not weird neon etc, just small cosmetic enhancements), honestly, some of the ones out there, real cowboys....
firstly PEPE can you please attach images, or if you wish, pm me the pics....I dig lighting (strange hobby, but then thats my profession, I am a LIGHTING DESIGNER)
2ndly TAKA you are right 5500k isnt 2 bright. The minute you get away from factory standard HID (ie go towards more blue purple black watever....) your light becomes less brighter.
that is because the addition of colours acts as a filter to clear.
For instance, if you put a very very thin piece of blue cellophane in front of a headlamp, you would have cut ALOT of light brightness. Now no one i'm sure wants light that blue, but as a principle, thats what happens.
What happens with higher kelvin HID capsules, is that the glass capsule is tinted a very fine hue of purple etc (it only has to be a tint) to compensate for the whitey-yellow (most minute portion)in the HID shade. Once this is done you are guaranteed a pure white light with a slight touch of purple or blue or whatever the tint was.
So how do s2000, etc have a more purple light.... Well the capsules prob, have a higher xenon gas component or slightly different metal salt content. I mean i've even heard that most capsule are the same, its just the housing (on the inside of the headlamp), which adds just a touch of difference)
So yeah thats basically it, i'm no genius, but if someone knows better/more/different speak up, were here to learn.
Oh and forget the cops, funny how when your house is falling down, you have to contact em for help, but they are on your case in a heartbeat for "slightly" different lighting (not weird neon etc, just small cosmetic enhancements), honestly, some of the ones out there, real cowboys....
06-09-2004, 08:42 PM
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Good post, daz -- learnt some stuff. Do you know if it is possible to upgrade the POV pack 8 with better lights -- and stay legal?
How do the police "prove" your lights are too bright?
Having said that. I must say I have faced some cars with HID lights that were painfully bright, so it is important not to blind people
How do the police "prove" your lights are too bright?
Having said that. I must say I have faced some cars with HID lights that were painfully bright, so it is important not to blind people
06-09-2004, 09:37 PM
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Mind my lack of abbrev. talk, whats the "POV" pack....?
If u let me know I can try and help u.
I just want to cover these about HID's and their brightness....
1) People say HIDS are brighter.....and so they should!!
HIDs are brighter sources of light, they seem brighter bcos of 3 main reasons
1) alot of em are starting to have self leveling headlamps...so basically if you are oncoming or travelling in front of a HID equiped car their light source will always be more emergent??? (present ...maybe) in your face
2) HID lighting or rather metal halide lighting produces a much higher brilliance, that is if i have 100W worth of candle light, 100W normal halogen headlamp light then 100W of HID lighting, the levels of brilliance in HID are much higher, that is....
"the spectacle of the wave pattern goes both farther and maintains the brightness even far away"
sure up close they are all good and similar.....but their outputs are very different ....
3) HID or metal halide lights scatter very very well. Hence they provide good side lighting as well as head on, beam spread is much wider and much safer for the driver.....it is this beam spread that makes us think, well hang on, his lights are much brighter than a standard light.
Scattering leads to the idea that football fields and many shops ie myer for instance use this lighting, it is low wattage input but high output.
THE RX8 capsule is a 35W D2S capsule, yet it looks brighter than a normal halogen....true it uses 35W output, buts its brightness can almost be compared to a 120W?? maybe...output
given that I love HID, I dont think I could get into a car with it, and then get into one aftwards, without it......
but yeah thats my low-down...there are some nice cosmetic lighting bulbs and things out there......dress your car up in the lighting department sharp and defined, not only will you be dressing up a car considered to be car of the year, but coupled with this beautiful car you will prob, get much more looks at night than cars much more expensive, quicker etc...
the way I look at it is....... if the 8 is so damn sexy in the day, carry through with it at night too.
If u let me know I can try and help u.
I just want to cover these about HID's and their brightness....
1) People say HIDS are brighter.....and so they should!!
HIDs are brighter sources of light, they seem brighter bcos of 3 main reasons
1) alot of em are starting to have self leveling headlamps...so basically if you are oncoming or travelling in front of a HID equiped car their light source will always be more emergent??? (present ...maybe) in your face
2) HID lighting or rather metal halide lighting produces a much higher brilliance, that is if i have 100W worth of candle light, 100W normal halogen headlamp light then 100W of HID lighting, the levels of brilliance in HID are much higher, that is....
"the spectacle of the wave pattern goes both farther and maintains the brightness even far away"
sure up close they are all good and similar.....but their outputs are very different ....
3) HID or metal halide lights scatter very very well. Hence they provide good side lighting as well as head on, beam spread is much wider and much safer for the driver.....it is this beam spread that makes us think, well hang on, his lights are much brighter than a standard light.
Scattering leads to the idea that football fields and many shops ie myer for instance use this lighting, it is low wattage input but high output.
THE RX8 capsule is a 35W D2S capsule, yet it looks brighter than a normal halogen....true it uses 35W output, buts its brightness can almost be compared to a 120W?? maybe...output
given that I love HID, I dont think I could get into a car with it, and then get into one aftwards, without it......
but yeah thats my low-down...there are some nice cosmetic lighting bulbs and things out there......dress your car up in the lighting department sharp and defined, not only will you be dressing up a car considered to be car of the year, but coupled with this beautiful car you will prob, get much more looks at night than cars much more expensive, quicker etc...
the way I look at it is....... if the 8 is so damn sexy in the day, carry through with it at night too.
06-09-2004, 09:43 PM
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Back to the cops issue timbo....how do they prove they are 2 bright.....welll they dont, and their justification is completely wrong.
The light appears to be unique, I mean f$#@$k if its ADR approved, they have scientists, experts, technicians with millions of dollars worth of equipment making sure its not "too bright", before they launch a car with this
then some hotshot patrol cowboy comes and says, sorry mate heres your defect notice......
they may think
1) its more bluer (and blue is illegal)
2) it looks cooler than standard yellow...some illegal mod is going on here
3) Geez Im jealous, i have the power to pull up some innocent driver and f$#@k his day up over absolutely nothing.......
either way cops have no right to get an 8 or any other HID driver over brightness, if its ADR approved, and you dont have the highees on as well....u are in the RIGHT!!
The light appears to be unique, I mean f$#@$k if its ADR approved, they have scientists, experts, technicians with millions of dollars worth of equipment making sure its not "too bright", before they launch a car with this
then some hotshot patrol cowboy comes and says, sorry mate heres your defect notice......
they may think
1) its more bluer (and blue is illegal)
2) it looks cooler than standard yellow...some illegal mod is going on here
3) Geez Im jealous, i have the power to pull up some innocent driver and f$#@k his day up over absolutely nothing.......
either way cops have no right to get an 8 or any other HID driver over brightness, if its ADR approved, and you dont have the highees on as well....u are in the RIGHT!!
06-09-2004, 09:47 PM
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POV.....HEHE
yup gomez you are right, standard halogen has xenon....but
1) it is just a small amount in the bulb, to make sure that globes dont go brown over time...like older coronas, and datsun sunnys etc....
2) they way which metal halide burns means..it is zapped with a transformer at about 20,000 volts with a ballast, which in turn doesnt have a wire filament like a globe, but zaps the gas between electrodes which ignite metal salts and produce a white colour with a tinge of purple hue
yup gomez you are right, standard halogen has xenon....but
1) it is just a small amount in the bulb, to make sure that globes dont go brown over time...like older coronas, and datsun sunnys etc....
2) they way which metal halide burns means..it is zapped with a transformer at about 20,000 volts with a ballast, which in turn doesnt have a wire filament like a globe, but zaps the gas between electrodes which ignite metal salts and produce a white colour with a tinge of purple hue
06-09-2004, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by daz1300
Back to the cops issue timbo....how do they prove they are 2 bright.....welll they dont, and their justification is completely wrong.
The light appears to be unique, I mean f$#@$k if its ADR approved, they have scientists, experts, technicians with millions of dollars worth of equipment making sure its not "too bright", before they launch a car with this
then some hotshot patrol cowboy comes and says, sorry mate heres your defect notice......
they may think
1) its more bluer (and blue is illegal)
2) it looks cooler than standard yellow...some illegal mod is going on here
3) Geez Im jealous, i have the power to pull up some innocent driver and f$#@k his day up over absolutely nothing.......
either way cops have no right to get an 8 or any other HID driver over brightness, if its ADR approved, and you dont have the highees on as well....u are in the RIGHT!!
Back to the cops issue timbo....how do they prove they are 2 bright.....welll they dont, and their justification is completely wrong.
The light appears to be unique, I mean f$#@$k if its ADR approved, they have scientists, experts, technicians with millions of dollars worth of equipment making sure its not "too bright", before they launch a car with this
then some hotshot patrol cowboy comes and says, sorry mate heres your defect notice......
they may think
1) its more bluer (and blue is illegal)
2) it looks cooler than standard yellow...some illegal mod is going on here
3) Geez Im jealous, i have the power to pull up some innocent driver and f$#@k his day up over absolutely nothing.......
either way cops have no right to get an 8 or any other HID driver over brightness, if its ADR approved, and you dont have the highees on as well....u are in the RIGHT!!
They were just putting the fear of God into him.......thats what cops do.
Gomez.
06-09-2004, 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by daz1300
POV.....HEHE
yup gomez you are right, standard halogen has xenon....but
1) it is just a small amount in the bulb, to make sure that globes dont go brown over time...like older coronas, and datsun sunnys etc....
POV.....HEHE
yup gomez you are right, standard halogen has xenon....but
1) it is just a small amount in the bulb, to make sure that globes dont go brown over time...like older coronas, and datsun sunnys etc....
06-09-2004, 10:05 PM
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Well said daz.
Here is what is in the national road rules...
No mention of "brightness" here. In one place it mentioned "dazzle":
But - where is the definition of "dazzle"?????
I guess we need the ADR's to find out if there is an actual, measurable limit.
Above experts taken from "Australian Road Rules, 19th October 1999".
I used to also get shitty when Mr Plod would tell me to turn my fog-lights off. There is no mention of it in the rules, apart from "rearward facing fog light". Apparently there is a specific rule against it in NSW. When I searched the QLD rules, they just referred to the National Rules.
Cheers,
Hymee.
Here is what is in the national road rules...
high-beam, for a headlight fitted to a vehicle, means that the headlight is built or adjusted so, when the vehicle is standing on level ground, the top of the main beam of light projected is above the headlight’s low-beam. Note Low-beam is defined in this dictionary, and vehicle is defined in rule 15.
low-beam, for a headlight fitted to a vehicle, means that the headlight is built or adjusted so, when the vehicle is standing on level ground, the top of the main beam of light projected is:
(a) not higher than the centre of the headlight, when measured
8 metres in front of the vehicle; and
(b) not over 1 metre higher than the level where the vehicle is
standing, when measured 25 metres in front of the vehicle.
Note Vehicle is defined in rule 15.
low-beam, for a headlight fitted to a vehicle, means that the headlight is built or adjusted so, when the vehicle is standing on level ground, the top of the main beam of light projected is:
(a) not higher than the centre of the headlight, when measured
8 metres in front of the vehicle; and
(b) not over 1 metre higher than the level where the vehicle is
standing, when measured 25 metres in front of the vehicle.
Note Vehicle is defined in rule 15.
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or
in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to
dazzle, another road user.
Offence provision.
Note 1 Driver’s vehicle is defined in the dictionary, and road user is defined in rule 14.
Note 2 Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle — see the definition of drive in the dictionary.
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or
in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to
dazzle, another road user.
Offence provision.
Note 1 Driver’s vehicle is defined in the dictionary, and road user is defined in rule 14.
Note 2 Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle — see the definition of drive in the dictionary.
I guess we need the ADR's to find out if there is an actual, measurable limit.
Above experts taken from "Australian Road Rules, 19th October 1999".
I used to also get shitty when Mr Plod would tell me to turn my fog-lights off. There is no mention of it in the rules, apart from "rearward facing fog light". Apparently there is a specific rule against it in NSW. When I searched the QLD rules, they just referred to the National Rules.
Cheers,
Hymee.
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Bloody tosser HSV drivers who use foglights during the day to draw attention to their lack of taste, sh#t me. I hope you were talking about night-time foglight use, Hymee!