kimba2

was next to a integra typeR yesterday at an un \disclosed location.
Had the revs up at 5grand dumped the clutch, dsc kick in lost power and the ....
i was very disappointed.
I think i need to work on my start.
or is the car tooooo slow
Mazda needs to get their act together with their sports performance.
HANDLING is great but it's the power people want for the price they pay
even the mazda6 mps will be quicker than the eight and it costs less too

EZZY

good idea
becareful next mate :p

next time maybe you should turn it "OFF", and see what happens :D

both.... but i'd work on the "start" first

didnt you test drive the car before laying down your hard earned cash?
im sure there other more powerful/torguey cars out there, why did you chose the 8 over them..... dont even mention the handling reason

probably.... but hey, i will still have the 8 over the 6 MPS

takahashi

Normally I will not reply this kind of thread... but I need to educate my fellow Aussie in the eve of our national day.

1. No 6 MPS will be slower due to transmission, 1600kg and the stupid gear ratio.

2. Integra Type R can be tweaked to 128kW at the front wheel, which is about par to RX-8 and it is 100kg lighter.

3. DSC kicked in... you lose - is that simple!?

4. You should not be disappointed. Stock DC5R is slower than Stock RX-8 (me -- TAKA san driving) in Sandown. I clocked 1"37 stock RX-8 and 1"39 in DC5R stock. I have done about 500 lap + in the track this year (I mean 2004)... so I know the track back to front.

5. However, my friend's mod DC5R went 1"34 in my hand.... my RX-8 is 1"35.9 ... but I don't have Potenza S02 but the half worn RE040.

kimba2

How should i start then what revs and howe do i release the clutch
My tyres are so-3 and he had road slicks so he was not driving legal wheels they were falken ...... something

takahashi

Tyre are not determinent when you start.

Start --- rev high and pop your clutch ... the best way to get wheel spin :D

I start from 6k and ride my clutch (twice sometimes)... anyone has a race start in their RX-8? I only did one once

kimba2

yeah i start at 5 and poped it but it bottomed out when the dsc kicked it

Hymee

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1. Go to the drags, and you can practice your launches safely, and get very accurate recordings (time slips) to see what works and what doesn't. 60' time is the measure of how well you launch. I get a better 60' time in the RX-8 than I ever got out of my 300kW Commodore. It is 1/2 to 3/4 track where the HP of that car starts to make the difference. You will quickly be able to find out what works best for you. Perhaps it might be bouncing off the limiter, perhaps it might be 4000 RPM. Who knows what works for you? I know what works for me .

2. "Road Slicks" - Not legal??? Do you mean "Street Slicks"? If they have tread pattern (grooves) then they are legal. Only not street legal if they are bald, as in a full slick.

3. Please read point 1 above.

4. Please, no street kills (or losses) here. The track is the correct place. Yeah - we all get enthusiastic at times, but we don't need to fess up here. And we have a responibility to others.

5. Please have another look at point 3

6. It was actually the Traction Control that kicked in. Turn it off for this activity. The DSC is what stops spins from happening during cornering.

Cheers,
Hymee.

RXE16T

I'm starting to think kimba2 is a bit of a hoon, but can't back up his bravery with performance.

First getting smoked by 200SX and now a Type R (both totally understandable if they were modded).

Funny thing is, if they were both stock, there's definitely something wrong with his driving ability.

FunkyR

Mmmmm I gotta say that (stock vs stock) the 8 should be quicker off the line if both people get a good launch..... it's RWD and has more oomph....

Hey Taka - tyres should make a difference on launching.... the stickier tyres you have the better.....

Kimba - that's why if the other guy had semi slicks then he'd have an advantage over you tyre wise.....

takahashi

Maybe... maybe not.

I think the major factor is the DSC though

Your Avatar is giving me fits - FunkyR

FunkyR

Lol everyone into spirited driving should get used to driving hard with their DSC off!

Im_DANomite

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don't pop the clutch. turn off DSC. learn how to launch/drive.

rx8dude

i 'm not surprise a dc5r beat you b/c they r pretty evenly much with our rx8.forget about the claim time of 6.3sec i thin kour car is over rated. it's morre like in the low 7s as most of the reviews i've read.

i think our car is not about acceration it's more a lux sport car.

kimba2

they were bith modded s15 with turbo don't know if it was 1 or 2 turbs and the integra was filter pistons exhaust suspension and the vtech controller but honestly if i didn't half stall i think would have given run for money.
Integras vtech performance is in 3 gear mmmmm.
No i am not usally a hoon just wanted to see the 8 ability at the moment i think very limited compare to cheaper non imported cars.
for our money that is
Everything else bar engine power is Fantastic

kimba2

How would yoiu launch DANomite?

kimba2

Rx8dude
Why can't the 8 be lux as well as fast
Rx7 was. So therefore with the knowledge Mazda has, Don't you think they should have produced a faster rotory turbo in the 8 than it's superseded rx7
Or is it that Mazda wants to step up their perforamce like all other car manufactureres. 177kw now 184kwlater 190kw after that 200kw after that and so on.
Who knows i bet we will get the 184kw engine when the next rx8 comes out in a few years and guess what same engine same computer but the tweak of the ecu a little more power. You see just another car maufacurer con

Well that's my prodiction anyway

Sorry just frustrated

Gibbo

Kimba,

Whether it's on the track and on the street, the RX8 is all about revs, when the dsc kicked in you could forget all about it.
Keep in mind that a no rev start and a proper high rev start can make upto 1.5 seconds difference in 0 - 100 times.

Whenever I want a fast start I ALWAYS turn DSC off, this is a must because if you get any wheel spin then it bogs and you look at a very bad. My start procedure is;
5K before the start whilst on the line, right before the launch to flick that upto 7500rpm and release the clutch just past friction point (Don't dump the clutch), a good start should result in a small amount of wheel spin, but not lighting the wheels up. After you are moving you can then release the clutch completely but remember to keep on the revs hard. Keep your clutch foot ready incase you need to adjust the launch a little. Basically from there you work through the gears, this can be done with a straight accelerator off, clutch on, gear change, clutch off movement, the shortest time inbetween gears means a shorter 0-100 time, however remember the syncro in you gear box, don't slam it through the gate, pause for a fraction of a second (doesn't need to be much) just so that you don't end up doing your syncro in on 1st to 2nd after 10,000km. Alternatively I have found that with the 8 I actually do a type of double clutch. In this I mean inbetween gears I give it another spurt on the gas to take the revs up to 9000 and then put it up the gear whilst the revs are high and release the clutch very quickly without dumping it. I have found that this marginally improves acceleration for me, however it is more likely to cause a stuff up.

This is my method, it works for me so feel free to try it.

Choppy

Kimba2,

I think you need to practise your fast driving on a controled track.

i have raced a modded integra type R and I was pulling away for the whole quater mile. Ended up being a car and a half away by the end.

DSC should be off.. Pretty silly of you to not think of this already. You cant race with SAFTEY features on.

Doesnt matter how much you rev to as long as you pull the clutch out the right time and the right speed you will not get a good launch.. Trial and error here! Everyones feet are different so work with whatever feels comfortable for you.

Once you master the take off you should be ready to 'kill' the Type R unless you crunch through the rest of your gears..

After the take off you would find yourself very quickly having to change gears to second. We all know how quick the revs build up above 4000 RPM.. As you approach 7 1/2 RPM, throw it into second as fast as possible.. Becareful you dont rip the gear ****, this takes more skill than strength. While you are pushing in the clutch to change into second keep your foot a little on the accelerator "flat change" Dont do this to often as you will find your self with problems with the internals of the car later. this should all take less than a second and you should do it without thinking about it or looking down at your gear stick or feet. make sure you have a good handle on your steering wheel because it will pull alittle.

In all stages specially the start through to second gear always make sure you are holding the steering wheel tight and in a position you can easily correct the car if it gets out of hand.. For example if its swinging out too much. Also keep in mind the car next to you what the hell they are doing.. Some could be worse drivers than you and can not control their car and swing into your way. Something like this usually happens on the take off till maybe around third gear.

Make sure all you do if they do swing infront of you is hit your brakes.. Not to hard.. If you try to swing your car chances are since your wheels are already moving pretty fast and probably spinning too much it will cause you to compression lock and/or basicly lose control of your own car and end up in the safety barrier or even worse upside down.

Practise makes perfect... Experience is always faster than the car... Drive saftely and remember road rules are there for a reason. Dont be selfish think about the posibility of a little kid or even small animal run across the road at all times. You would never be able to forgive yourself if its a humen and if its pet/animal chances are you will lose control of your car and maybe kill yourself.

Kind regards
Phillip

Im_DANomite

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there is a point where the clutch engages. i keep my left foot a little under that point and rev to about 4-5 grand. light turns green...floor it and let off the clutch in one smooth transition. no burn outs, no bogging out, decent launch.

idolo

You can all offer advice on getting a good start but lets face facts, the RX8 is a **** poor drag racing machine.

Has anyone seen the Japanase video with the S2000, WRX, Type R, Skyline and MX5 all racing. I saw it the other day and was surprised that the RX8 ended up at the back of the pack only ahead of the well handling hairdesser car (the MX5). It kind of pissed me off watching it get blown away everytime it had to accelerate from a slow corner

Don't get me wrong, i love my RX8, its an awesome car BUT it is definitely underpowered. As a person who has owned several 13b turbo's it annoys me now that my mates stock v8 30 something grand commodore ute could blow the RX8 away no worries at all (in a straight line of course).

I guess the moral of the story is don't drag race people in your RX8. It will just make you (and the car) look bad.

Im_DANomite

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haha...i could careless for going straight. even in my mr2 turbo, i thought drag racing was so boring, and i still do.

but i did race an SRT4 the other week on the hwy. we started off on the roll and i actually beat him. the feeling is nice when he falls back a car length b/c of 6k redline. soon as he started to catch up, i hit my hazards and took the nearest exit...muahahahaha. i win bitch, i W I N

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

Cool it with the street racing stuff on here, please

Cheers,
Hymee.

RXP33D

Got ya hymee!
hehe...
I've beaten a typeR with DSC on and he even launched the thing.
Slip clutch at 3-4grand is more than enough to beat a slightly modded typeR
This R had fully sick bonnet (cfibre) full 2.5", extractors, ARC intake.
Btw, i got a fully sick K&N. All talk no action intake, but hell, it scares people.
This was all done in the safest environment

NickG

Here's another idea . Stop getting stressed and depressed about whether your car is 0.1 sec or 0.5sec faster or slower than xyz highly tuned Japanese 4 cyl coupe/turbocharged 4 or 6 cylinder Japanese sedan / local V8/Boxster etc etc and ENJOY the darn car for what it is. If you bought the RX8 because you wanted to own the fastest thing on the road, you were both ill-informed and sadly mistaken: no matter what car you buy, there will always be something faster. If you can't live with that, sell your house and use the proceeds to put a deposit on a second hand McLaren F1 :D. Better pray your neighbour doesn't get himself a Koenigsegg though!

takahashi

Yeah... I think driver skill is the most important. I forgot who drove that red RX-8 in the first video. But most driver have driven the Integra R and S2000 extensively - there is the advantage.

I am way ahead of some driver in FPV and Porsches in Sandown, but I think I can still squeeze a second or 2 here and there.

I will improve my driving skill before saying the car is slow.

Also there are huge protential for the car to equip with forced induction and still have benefit from the chassis - I think it is so strong that it will handle 230kW and over.

When we see this thread in 3 years time - people will laugh at our disappointments.

I have a lot of faith in the Rotaries Power. Judging what it is like in the past.