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Originally Posted by takahashi
Why is this demo cost that much Mr. Revolver?
As you know - BMW option lists can add mucho to the final figure.
I previously acknowledged that price is a downside to this thing however, in standard trim, it still does a lot that the 8 does.
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Actually there is going to be a 4x4 version of the Alfa Romeo - from Car Point -
Brera - The long-awaited sexy 2+2 two-door coupe finally goes on sale locally about mid 2006. Two models will be on offer with an entry level $80K 140kW front drive model and top-spec $100K AWD version powered by a Holden built 195kW 3.2-litre V6. Transmissions will be six-speed manual or auto.
Yes its a little bit Exxy. :-)
Brera - The long-awaited sexy 2+2 two-door coupe finally goes on sale locally about mid 2006. Two models will be on offer with an entry level $80K 140kW front drive model and top-spec $100K AWD version powered by a Holden built 195kW 3.2-litre V6. Transmissions will be six-speed manual or auto.
Yes its a little bit Exxy. :-)
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Seriously, if it tickles your fancy with the 130i or any other car then so be it. Your money, your choice! You don't need anyone's opinion on what you consider is the next car for you. If the test did impress you go forth and talk to the dealer. You only live once, life is a gamble and whatever the next choice might be hopefully it is something that can generate years of passion behind the wheel.
I'm 3.5 years away before I make another decision. Till then, I'll sit back and enjoy my days owning my RX8. All I know is that I'll stick to jap engineering. I have never had any engine/ transmission failure with the jap cars I've had. A well maintained jap car will give lots of reliable years of motoring. I also like to abuse my cars in a "spirited" way and jap parts are cheaper to repair in the incident of component failure(s).
I'm 3.5 years away before I make another decision. Till then, I'll sit back and enjoy my days owning my RX8. All I know is that I'll stick to jap engineering. I have never had any engine/ transmission failure with the jap cars I've had. A well maintained jap car will give lots of reliable years of motoring. I also like to abuse my cars in a "spirited" way and jap parts are cheaper to repair in the incident of component failure(s).
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Originally Posted by astro
Seriously, if it tickles your fancy with the 130i or any other car then so be it. Your money, your choice! You don't need anyone's opinion on what you consider is the next car for you. If the test did impress you go forth and talk to the dealer. You only live once, life is a gamble and whatever the next choice might be hopefully it is something that can generate years of passion behind the wheel.
I'm 3.5 years away before I make another decision. Till then, I'll sit back and enjoy my days owning my RX8. All I know is that I'll stick to jap engineering. I have never had any engine/ transmission failure with the jap cars I've had. A well maintained jap car will give lots of reliable years of motoring. I also like to abuse my cars in a "spirited" way and jap parts are cheaper to repair in the incident of component failure(s).
I'm 3.5 years away before I make another decision. Till then, I'll sit back and enjoy my days owning my RX8. All I know is that I'll stick to jap engineering. I have never had any engine/ transmission failure with the jap cars I've had. A well maintained jap car will give lots of reliable years of motoring. I also like to abuse my cars in a "spirited" way and jap parts are cheaper to repair in the incident of component failure(s).
I'm not about to trade up or in for a while but a bit of fat chewing can be interesting once in a while.
However, we are agreed on japanese reliability.
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Originally Posted by Scotty
Actually there is going to be a 4x4 version of the Alfa Romeo - from Car Point -
Brera - The long-awaited sexy 2+2 two-door coupe finally goes on sale locally about mid 2006. Two models will be on offer with an entry level $80K 140kW front drive model and top-spec $100K AWD version powered by a Holden built 195kW 3.2-litre V6. Transmissions will be six-speed manual or auto.
Yes its a little bit Exxy. :-)
Brera - The long-awaited sexy 2+2 two-door coupe finally goes on sale locally about mid 2006. Two models will be on offer with an entry level $80K 140kW front drive model and top-spec $100K AWD version powered by a Holden built 195kW 3.2-litre V6. Transmissions will be six-speed manual or auto.
Yes its a little bit Exxy. :-)
I do like the way the Brera looks though.
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The M3 is the only looker in the current BMW range. The rest have been hit with the ugly stick, IMO....
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Originally Posted by MissyK
Astro hunni I dont think revolver was dissing the rx8 in favor for the bmw. Yea we having a discussion. And its ok dave if u dont like saabs S'all gooooooooooooooood
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Originally Posted by ILIV48
Your right there mate, but I would say it goes past just a whack. I would say some of them have had an absolute belting!
What a shame, since the mechanicals under the skin are generally world class.
Guess it proves, once again, that the primary factor in most people's minds when selecting a new car is what it looks like (rather than what it does).
I reckon the value of the current M3 will go UP once they start building them in the new 3-series shape.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
Revolver,
BitTorrent this episode of top gear... it compares the NEW R32 to the 130i
BitTorrent this episode of top gear... it compares the NEW R32 to the 130i
I'll take your word for it that the NEW R32 beats the pants off the 130i and agree the Golf shape is MUCH better looking. Do you know whether they're going to sell the new one here and if so, what's it gonna cost?
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I have no idea on the new release but it is 4 seconds quicker than the current R32. Don't know what they have done to it either.
It is still a V6 and doing a lap time 1 second faster than RX-8 in the track, similar time to the EVOs. Looking at the vid the car is very easy to control, although there is some understeer displayed by the Stig and it will be a seriously fast NA car.
I am excited.
I try to cut the section and paste it on my website tonight. I forgot to bring the CD to work and do it here.
EDIT: BTW Clarkson has pointed out a very good point in the show.
The 1 series has very little leg room at the back. He himself cannot get into the back seat. And there is a very little boot space either. So it is essentially a 2 seater or with a dog seat. He suggested for the same money, you can buy a Z4 3.0i which has similar power figure, better looking/styling and better drive! I think he is a very very wise man!
It is still a V6 and doing a lap time 1 second faster than RX-8 in the track, similar time to the EVOs. Looking at the vid the car is very easy to control, although there is some understeer displayed by the Stig and it will be a seriously fast NA car.
I am excited.
I try to cut the section and paste it on my website tonight. I forgot to bring the CD to work and do it here.
EDIT: BTW Clarkson has pointed out a very good point in the show.
The 1 series has very little leg room at the back. He himself cannot get into the back seat. And there is a very little boot space either. So it is essentially a 2 seater or with a dog seat. He suggested for the same money, you can buy a Z4 3.0i which has similar power figure, better looking/styling and better drive! I think he is a very very wise man!
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Originally Posted by astro
A well maintained jap car will give lots of reliable years of motoring.
Me, I'm in no hurry to change over. Mazda has put out an interesting rotary/electric hybrid concept with (to me) quite elegant if radical styling. Lexus is getting better and better - the IS 250 may not be a 3-series killer yet, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?
I haven't seen anything around (for the price) which makes me even consider forsaking our 8, but I suspect that the next 3-4 years wil bring some very serious competition
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It seems I am not the only one that looks longely at M3's as they pass by on the street. (even that funny brown/green paint job version)
I can't think of any other "realistically priced" car that I do that to - except the RX8 - I guess thats why we all own them.
I can't think of any other "realistically priced" car that I do that to - except the RX8 - I guess thats why we all own them.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
It is still a V6 and doing a lap time 1 second faster than RX-8 in the track, similar time to the EVOs. Looking at the vid the car is very easy to control, although there is some understeer displayed by the Stig and it will be a seriously fast NA car.
I am excited.
EDIT: BTW Clarkson has pointed out a very good point in the show.
The 1 series has very little leg room at the back. He himself cannot get into the back seat. And there is a very little boot space either. So it is essentially a 2 seater or with a dog seat. He suggested for the same money, you can buy a Z4 3.0i which has similar power figure, better looking/styling and better drive! I think he is a very very wise man!
I am excited.
EDIT: BTW Clarkson has pointed out a very good point in the show.
The 1 series has very little leg room at the back. He himself cannot get into the back seat. And there is a very little boot space either. So it is essentially a 2 seater or with a dog seat. He suggested for the same money, you can buy a Z4 3.0i which has similar power figure, better looking/styling and better drive! I think he is a very very wise man!
Re: the 130i's back seat - you gotta remember Clarkson is a bloody giant! I jumped in the back seat and although I agree an adult of average size wouldn't want to spend a long time back there, it is more than adequate for small children.
Regrettably, I also find the Z4 a bit of a dog looks-wise.
I repeat, I'm not about to buy one of these things (i.e. the 130i) but I found the comparison useful to see what we get when we buy a car like the 8. It remains outstanding value for money - little wonder dealers aren't keen on doing discounts.
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Originally Posted by Scotty
It seems I am not the only one that looks longely at M3's as they pass by on the street. (even that funny brown/green paint job version)
I can't think of any other "realistically priced" car that I do that to - except the RX8 - I guess thats why we all own them.
I can't think of any other "realistically priced" car that I do that to - except the RX8 - I guess thats why we all own them.
Still, its healthy to check out the rest of the market from time to time. Surprises can be had and it's always fun to flog a demo car.
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Originally Posted by labrat
Lexus is getting better and better - the IS 250 may not be a 3-series killer yet, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?
I haven't seen anything around (for the price) which makes me even consider forsaking our 8, but I suspect that the next 3-4 years wil bring some very serious competition
I haven't seen anything around (for the price) which makes me even consider forsaking our 8, but I suspect that the next 3-4 years wil bring some very serious competition
I think the new IS isn't bad in a conservative (indeed derivative) kind of way but I notice they will not be bringing the bigger engined version over and it is still a LOT of money for a small sedan. For instance, do you think the IS250 Sports Luxury @ $78,500(!!) is nearly twice the car a Honda Accord Euro Luxury @ $42,500 is? Not in my view it's not. The pricing is a gouge, pure and simple, along the marketing lines of "if we charge a lot for it people will assume it's very exclusive". Remember when everyone thought the first Lexus (the first LS) was a bargain? Those days are long gone.
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Dave,
seems like you are interetsed in the new VW or prossibly be called R36..
looks like the price will be very similar to the current R32 (ie. mid $60's), but not limited numbers
i'd prefer this than the mkV R32...
more info --> http://www.cartype.com/page.cfm?id=1...ph=ALL&dec=ALL
that giant looks cramped everwhere he goes...... he should be last person used for measuring normal/sports vehicle interior spaces
seems like you are interetsed in the new VW or prossibly be called R36..
Now comes a new R32 based on the Golf V generation. This time it packs 184 kW (250 bhp) under the bonnet; the permanent 4MOTION four-wheel drive again promises excellent roadholding.
The new R32 is here now. View full specification /golf/specifications.ContentPar.0020.file.tmp/Golf_R32_MY06.pdf][/B]PDF spec file HERE.
The new R32 is here now. View full specification /golf/specifications.ContentPar.0020.file.tmp/Golf_R32_MY06.pdf][/B]PDF spec file HERE.
i'd prefer this than the mkV R32...
At the heart of the 2006 RS3 will be a modified version of the current A3 range topper's 3.2-litre V6 engine. This unit will be turbocharged and will also feature FSI direct-injection technology and torque will be about 450Nm.
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The 1 series has very little leg room at the back. He himself cannot get into the back seat. And there is a very little boot space either. So it is essentially a 2 seater or with a dog seat. He suggested for the same money, you can buy a Z4 3.0i which has similar power figure, better looking/styling and better drive! I think he is a very very wise man!
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Agreed the RS3 looks a wicked bit of kit. 260kw - woohoo! However, quelle damage?? They always seem to charge more than M3 prices for the RS models and I query whether they are that much better in real world conditions.
Let's face it, we're all going to have to S/C our 8's.
Let's face it, we're all going to have to S/C our 8's.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
Revolver... I heard that the 1 series chassis is not made very strong and the back end can snap easily without a lot of warning like the 8. It maybe good in the street driving.. I am predicting doing a time slower than Stu at Sandown .
Seriously it is a great 2nd car, but it ain't a sports car; let alone a sport hatch back.
Otherwise, I will want the Golf; and dreaming for a Caymen.
Seriously it is a great 2nd car, but it ain't a sports car; let alone a sport hatch back.
Otherwise, I will want the Golf; and dreaming for a Caymen.