NSW: p-plater performance vehicle restriction list
06-11-2005 | 12:48 AM
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NSW: p-plater performance vehicle restriction list
06-11-2005 | 01:24 AM
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06-11-2005 | 01:52 AM
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I could have saved them 98+ pages by setting the following criteria:
Petrol engines that:
1. have 8 or more cylinders and/or
2. are Turbocharged and/or
3. are Supercharged
1991 Honda City Turbo and the P76 are on this list!
I think that the Victoria approach makes more sense...
Petrol engines that:
1. have 8 or more cylinders and/or
2. are Turbocharged and/or
3. are Supercharged
1991 Honda City Turbo and the P76 are on this list!
I think that the Victoria approach makes more sense...
06-11-2005 | 02:03 AM
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xxup..
I think they did...
But to make sure, they put the list there so no kid can say:
"but its not really a turbo car". Your cars listed, no exception.
Doesn't affect anyone whos on the road already befor 11/7.
What are the fines anyway, loss of points i would think?
The only car P-plater will consider purchasing will be Clio sport, rx8, s2k or typeR.
That leaves it with rx8 and clio as i think i heard s2k and typeR are at the end of its life.
I think they did...
But to make sure, they put the list there so no kid can say:
"but its not really a turbo car". Your cars listed, no exception.
Doesn't affect anyone whos on the road already befor 11/7.
What are the fines anyway, loss of points i would think?
The only car P-plater will consider purchasing will be Clio sport, rx8, s2k or typeR.
That leaves it with rx8 and clio as i think i heard s2k and typeR are at the end of its life.
06-11-2005 | 02:10 AM
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http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...ns.html?hhid=2
A low performance turbocharged engine vehicle is the principal family vehicle (ie registered to a parent). What defines low?
And going into diesel performance isn't going to help, like getting an slk triturbo
as the V10 turbo diesel toureg is listed.
A low performance turbocharged engine vehicle is the principal family vehicle (ie registered to a parent). What defines low?
And going into diesel performance isn't going to help, like getting an slk triturbo
as the V10 turbo diesel toureg is listed.
06-11-2005 | 02:50 AM
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one of my brother's mates is in a precarious situation... ok his dad bought him a S15, however he's still 16 and still on his l's. his birthday is around the 25th of August so that's when he's eligible to go for his licence... do you think he's gonna have to sell his car? or will he be granted an exception
06-11-2005 | 07:51 AM
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DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL!!!!
how could cars like the Daihatsu Copen, Mini Cooper S or the Volvo V40 be in the list when the powerful ones like the Z350, S2000 or our RX8 are not??? Turbo or supercharge doesn't mean everything.....
pissing me off......
how could cars like the Daihatsu Copen, Mini Cooper S or the Volvo V40 be in the list when the powerful ones like the Z350, S2000 or our RX8 are not??? Turbo or supercharge doesn't mean everything.....
pissing me off......
06-11-2005 | 08:56 PM
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Not a problem for me (sigh - to be younger again!!) but I agree that it should be power to weight ratio if they're going to do something like this.
Reminds me of the rule that P-plater motorbike riders used to be restricted to less 250cc or less (this still the case???). All these young guys used to get two-stroke production bikes and mod them to within an inch of their lives so they were far more peaky and difficult to ride than some plodding old 750cc jap bike.
The silly thing is that there is nothing stopping someone modding something off the list to make it far more powerful than some of the cars on it (e.g. Copen!! ).
Reminds me of the rule that P-plater motorbike riders used to be restricted to less 250cc or less (this still the case???). All these young guys used to get two-stroke production bikes and mod them to within an inch of their lives so they were far more peaky and difficult to ride than some plodding old 750cc jap bike.
The silly thing is that there is nothing stopping someone modding something off the list to make it far more powerful than some of the cars on it (e.g. Copen!!
).
06-11-2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by aa@uow
DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL!!!!
how could cars like the Daihatsu Copen, Mini Cooper S or the Volvo V40 be in the list when the powerful ones like the Z350, S2000 or our RX8 are not??? Turbo or supercharge doesn't mean everything.....
pissing me off......
how could cars like the Daihatsu Copen, Mini Cooper S or the Volvo V40 be in the list when the powerful ones like the Z350, S2000 or our RX8 are not??? Turbo or supercharge doesn't mean everything.....
pissing me off......
$%@# before that car. 350Z's are. High performance 6.
06-11-2005 | 10:58 PM
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I was listening to the radio while back and they were debating about how they want to make some law about the number of passengers p-platers can have in their car.. They were saying max 1. And so many people ringing up saying its stupid..
So many p-platers have lost their licence down here because of this law brought forward last year that if the p-platers lose more then 6 points in 12 months, they lose their licence. I know 5 guys that lost their licence because of that and heard of many more cases. So at times I do not miss being a p-plater :p
Should we start a debate about how 70+ year old people who drive all over the road because they cannot see! Why younger people always get the crap I dont know.. Nothing ever seems to be completely fair on either side of the scale if you ask me.
So many p-platers have lost their licence down here because of this law brought forward last year that if the p-platers lose more then 6 points in 12 months, they lose their licence. I know 5 guys that lost their licence because of that and heard of many more cases. So at times I do not miss being a p-plater :p
Should we start a debate about how 70+ year old people who drive all over the road because they cannot see! Why younger people always get the crap I dont know.. Nothing ever seems to be completely fair on either side of the scale if you ask me.
06-12-2005 | 12:40 AM
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Well Kalli I think P plater should have a full license passenger if he/she had to have a passenger.
However, most road kill in P plater are alone in the car! It is only in the news when there are multiple deaths :o ... the move is purely political
In NSW, I agree that P plater cannot drive a Ashon Martin DB9...
But I also think the Audi 1.8T is a dangerously ...... slow car :p
However, most road kill in P plater are alone in the car! It is only in the news when there are multiple deaths :o ... the move is purely political
In NSW, I agree that P plater cannot drive a Ashon Martin DB9...
But I also think the Audi 1.8T is a dangerously ...... slow car :p
06-12-2005 | 12:51 AM
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Taka.
A P-plater driving with full licenser?
They might as well make a 3 year Learner license don't you think.
Would one ever learn how to drive independently if they were to alway be accompanied
by a full license holder.
But, damn, the copen, can't get over that!
A P-plater driving with full licenser?
They might as well make a 3 year Learner license don't you think.
Would one ever learn how to drive independently if they were to alway be accompanied
by a full license holder.
But, damn, the copen, can't get over that!
06-12-2005 | 01:02 AM
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Really, this is all just political window dressing. No amount of social engineering will change the fact that young people are over represented in road accidents.
The simple fact is that young people generally take more risks than older people. They will find ways to get killed in a Morris Minor because they believe they're still invincible. This isn't a criticism of the young - it's a proven fact.
Although the power of the car can be contributory, the overriding cause of most accidents is a dumb decision by the driver.
I still do not understand why the powers that be do not place more emphasis on education rather than these kneejerk crap rules. Getting a licence is still far too easy. If money is the problem, make people pay a bit extra for compulsory tuition that extends beyond learning to check your mirrors and hill starts.
I'll climb off the soap box now but it really pisses me off that while these politicians fiddle around with revenue raising laws more young people will die needless deaths on our roads.
The simple fact is that young people generally take more risks than older people. They will find ways to get killed in a Morris Minor because they believe they're still invincible. This isn't a criticism of the young - it's a proven fact.
Although the power of the car can be contributory, the overriding cause of most accidents is a dumb decision by the driver.
I still do not understand why the powers that be do not place more emphasis on education rather than these kneejerk crap rules. Getting a licence is still far too easy. If money is the problem, make people pay a bit extra for compulsory tuition that extends beyond learning to check your mirrors and hill starts.
I'll climb off the soap box now but it really pisses me off that while these politicians fiddle around with revenue raising laws more young people will die needless deaths on our roads.
06-12-2005 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Revolver
Although the power of the car can be contributory, the overriding cause of most accidents is a dumb decision by the driver.
Then again - they may drive the thing like it is indestructable (sort of the way you see some Volvos move along the road - 60 Km/hr right lane on the M1 then over to the left exit in 12 meters
)The less powerful (or cheaper) older cars lack any form of safety. The expensive powerful cars - well let's face it - nothing will stop a hunk of metal travelling at 200+ km/hr leaving the road at an "unexpected" corner..
On the issues of passengers... My worst drives were when I had "mates" in the car with me egging me on to do stupid things.. I'm older now and have no mates.. (Actually becoming very Gomez like
...)Off my soap box too...
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06-12-2005 | 03:43 AM
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Theres so much debate around this issue. In the USA, dont they get their licence at 16yrs old?? Yet we have to wait till 17/18 in Australia. Makes you wonder if they start earlier they 'get over' it and dont feel the need to impress or show off (the youngens). But then I do think 16yrs old with full licence is a bit young.
Yeh Taka I dont know about that.. p-plater having to have a full licenced driver with them. How would you feel about that if you were 18 and had to find someone with full licence, chances are most your friends would be in the p-plater bracket and what fun would that be! But i do understand what you mean.
Like Revolver said, it is the younger ages that tend to risk a little bit more, and well lets all admit it, we've done silly things aswell, and it does feel good, although pretty stupid at the end of the day
I believe it is unfair to make a p-plater have a full licenced driver with them. Having laws for the power of the cars they own seems reasonable. I do however agree with Revolver that instead of making all these rules, that education can be a pretty powerful tool. And I dont mean showing all these commercials on TV of accidents etc etc. But maybe making the learning process a bit more indepth. Its too easy to get your licence. I know too many people that go for their licence only after a few lessons. Perhaps more guided lessons, such as it being compulsory for people to learn with a driving school, and making group classes or something on weekends. And the authority to chase up that everything is being done. Now you probably wonder some people cannot afford to go to driving schools, but how about there maybe being some kinda tax offset or ability to claim it on 1s tax return Haha Dream on Kall!!!!
Anyhooo, this is just my view.
Ta, Kalli :D
Yeh Taka I dont know about that.. p-plater having to have a full licenced driver with them. How would you feel about that if you were 18 and had to find someone with full licence, chances are most your friends would be in the p-plater bracket and what fun would that be! But i do understand what you mean.
Like Revolver said, it is the younger ages that tend to risk a little bit more, and well lets all admit it, we've done silly things aswell, and it does feel good, although pretty stupid at the end of the day
I believe it is unfair to make a p-plater have a full licenced driver with them. Having laws for the power of the cars they own seems reasonable. I do however agree with Revolver that instead of making all these rules, that education can be a pretty powerful tool. And I dont mean showing all these commercials on TV of accidents etc etc. But maybe making the learning process a bit more indepth. Its too easy to get your licence. I know too many people that go for their licence only after a few lessons. Perhaps more guided lessons, such as it being compulsory for people to learn with a driving school, and making group classes or something on weekends. And the authority to chase up that everything is being done. Now you probably wonder some people cannot afford to go to driving schools, but how about there maybe being some kinda tax offset or ability to claim it on 1s tax return
Haha Dream on Kall!!!!Anyhooo, this is just my view.
Ta, Kalli :D
06-12-2005 | 08:11 PM
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Yep great power - all the car needed was a big net behind it to catch all the parts as they fell off... :D How do I know this? While I was at uni part-time I was also an apprentice with Leyland Australia!!! :D That was the great thing about the HUGE boot - you could keep a spare engine in there...
The V8 had great power, but accelerating in a straight line under full throttle was challenging - I can't remember if they had power steering...
The 6 - well cough cough - let's just leave that alone except to say that a certain person with one was not happy when my 1.3l VW Passat proved to be just a little faster on the straight and a lot better at the corners..
Just teasing Hymee..
It was a great car, let down by huge quality control problems, but it was still a much better car than the Holdens and Fords of the same era. Even Holden and Ford, I am sure, had their share of quality issues at the time.
The V8 had great power, but accelerating in a straight line under full throttle was challenging - I can't remember if they had power steering...
The 6 - well cough cough - let's just leave that alone except to say that a certain person with one was not happy when my 1.3l VW Passat proved to be just a little faster on the straight and a lot better at the corners..
Just teasing Hymee..
It was a great car, let down by huge quality control problems, but it was still a much better car than the Holdens and Fords of the same era. Even Holden and Ford, I am sure, had their share of quality issues at the time.