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is it in walkin distance? rekon u could grab me some brochures lol but im printing a whole heap of stuff right now anyway ...
wats the difference between A4 and A6
ive picked out the A4 3.2 FSI quattro $86700 and the A6 3.2 FSI multitronic $99800
wats the difference between A4 and A6
ive picked out the A4 3.2 FSI quattro $86700 and the A6 3.2 FSI multitronic $99800
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Originally Posted by EZZY
interior or exierior..
i have been in that 929 and the A4 is about the same size on the inside, and the A4 has a higher build quality.
i have been in that 929 and the A4 is about the same size on the inside, and the A4 has a higher build quality.
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Maybe Kall's Dad is just assuming the Mazda 6 is too small because he's thinking the 6 is the same size as the old 626. However, like most models, there is dimension creep over the years. Compare a current 3 series Bimmer to an older 5 series these days!
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Originally Posted by MissyK
u mean to tell me my dad was right? that the jag is american?? he told me that and i didnt believe him lol
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Originally Posted by MissyK
the 929's *** is a bit longer which gives the misrepresentation that its bigger i think
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Just getting back to the original topic
Sorry Nick, but I came across Clarkson's review of the 335:
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...522579,00.html
Oh dear!
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http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...522579,00.html
As usual BMW claims that it’s an all-new car and that every panel is different from the saloon’s. But it still looks dull. You’d only really want to get inside it if you were being chased by an armed gang from Shining Path.
And then, when you did get inside, you’d want to get right back out again. In other coupés, from say, Alfa Romeo and Audi, you get all sorts of fancy bits and bobs, but not in the Beemer. Here you get exactly the same dash that you find in the saloon. It’s as dull and as featureless as the inside of a Cheeky Girl’s head.
At first glance, then, I could not — and would not — bring myself to buy this car. And certainly not for £33,420, which is a damn sight more than you’re asked to pay for a Mazda RX-8.
Yes, the rear seats in the BMW are as big as a sofa, and yes, the days when BMW made you pay extra for windows are gone. But even so, £33,420 for a car that doesn’t even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad.
And there’s more to worry about, because although it says 335 on the back it doesn’t have a 3.5 litre engine. What you get instead is a 3 litre straight six, which is force-fed its diet of air by two small turbochargers.
On paper this sounds fine. Because they’re small, they don’t take an age to reach operating speed, which means there’s no turbo lag.
But because each one is feeding only three cylinders, you still have loads of power and loads of torque.
The worry is that BMW may have fallen into the same trap as Volkswagen, which tried a similar two-stage system on the Golf GT I reviewed recently. That didn’t work at all. It was horrid and jerky and pointless.
In the BMW, though, there are no problems at all. If you really, really concentrate you still cannot tell it’s turbocharged. Put your foot down and immediately there’s a meaty, almost diesel-esque shove in the back. But where a diesel would be out of puff after a moment or two, the Beemer just keeps on accelerating in a wall of subdued fury — for about nine and a half weeks.
This engine is little short of a masterpiece. There’s so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque.
And of course it’s all fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling.
As a driver’s car, then, this is yet another winner. But I still wouldn’t buy one.
You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo.
But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd.
And then, when you did get inside, you’d want to get right back out again. In other coupés, from say, Alfa Romeo and Audi, you get all sorts of fancy bits and bobs, but not in the Beemer. Here you get exactly the same dash that you find in the saloon. It’s as dull and as featureless as the inside of a Cheeky Girl’s head.
At first glance, then, I could not — and would not — bring myself to buy this car. And certainly not for £33,420, which is a damn sight more than you’re asked to pay for a Mazda RX-8.
Yes, the rear seats in the BMW are as big as a sofa, and yes, the days when BMW made you pay extra for windows are gone. But even so, £33,420 for a car that doesn’t even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad.
And there’s more to worry about, because although it says 335 on the back it doesn’t have a 3.5 litre engine. What you get instead is a 3 litre straight six, which is force-fed its diet of air by two small turbochargers.
On paper this sounds fine. Because they’re small, they don’t take an age to reach operating speed, which means there’s no turbo lag.
But because each one is feeding only three cylinders, you still have loads of power and loads of torque.
The worry is that BMW may have fallen into the same trap as Volkswagen, which tried a similar two-stage system on the Golf GT I reviewed recently. That didn’t work at all. It was horrid and jerky and pointless.
In the BMW, though, there are no problems at all. If you really, really concentrate you still cannot tell it’s turbocharged. Put your foot down and immediately there’s a meaty, almost diesel-esque shove in the back. But where a diesel would be out of puff after a moment or two, the Beemer just keeps on accelerating in a wall of subdued fury — for about nine and a half weeks.
This engine is little short of a masterpiece. There’s so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque.
And of course it’s all fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling.
As a driver’s car, then, this is yet another winner. But I still wouldn’t buy one.
You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo.
But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd.
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Originally Posted by dbb
I thought he was saying "why bother spending the extra cash when you can get an rx8 instead ... ".
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I think his reference to the RX8 was more a dig at the 335i's poor value for money and (in his opinion) dowdy looks (i.e. it's not twice as good as the RX8). Further, note the words "At first glance...".
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I kind of like the way he writes about it! After all, he is the one person who has the ability to make or break a car in the UK ... he was probably a contributing factor in the fall of Rover. At the end of the day though, it's his opinion, I have my opinion, and y'all all have your opinions.
I reckon he's definately right about the styling, he's right about why people buy BMWs, and he's most definately right about that dashboard. But has anyone here actually driven a perfect car before? I severely doubt it even if you think you have. Even your upper echelon of cars have their drawbacks (apart from the abhor able cost of owning one).
I reckon he's definately right about the styling, he's right about why people buy BMWs, and he's most definately right about that dashboard. But has anyone here actually driven a perfect car before? I severely doubt it even if you think you have. Even your upper echelon of cars have their drawbacks (apart from the abhor able cost of owning one).
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Well Clarkson has done a lot over the years to put automotive journalism on the map. I like the guy and enjoy his stuff. He thrives on being controversial and provocative, and loves a good throwaway line. The secret is that -almost always - there is at least a grain of truth in his most provocative statements.
I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.
Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....
I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.
Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....
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Originally Posted by NickG
Well Clarkson has done a lot over the years to put automotive journalism on the map. I like the guy and enjoy his stuff. He thrives on being controversial and provocative, and loves a good throwaway line. The secret is that -almost always - there is at least a grain of truth in his most provocative statements.
I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.
Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....
I'm fine with the fact that he doesn't like the look of the car - there are plenty of people out there who feel coupes should look bolder (and let's not forget on Top Gear he trashed the appearance of the RX8 too, criticising its tail lights and calling its back window reminiscent of a Ford Anglia!!). Otherwise it seems to me he's been overwhelmingly positive about the 335i.
Clarkson does appear to make one factual error though. Like quite a few other journos before him, he implies its turbos are sequential. They are not, though they do each get fed by 3 cylinders. And I'm pretty sure the new Golf GT uses a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger. So not much of a point of reference then....
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I think in Clarkson's case, this review is another of his "praised by faint damning" ![Wink](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
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When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
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Originally Posted by timbo
I think in Clarkson's case, this review is another of his "praised by faint damning" ![Wink](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
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When he really doesn't like a car, he never really writes about it until the last paragraph :D
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I am really liking the legend honda. they even have a little tv screen inside car to see where ur reversing!! lol and BOSE sound system, with a subwoofer and tweeters (better then my cars!) and SUNROOF!! more power....... lol looks professional for dad and i can have some fun.........
now which colour should we get hmmmmm red no. black no. dark blue.. hmm no. white no. grey hmmm silver maybe.......... and they got the same/similar colour as dads current car which nah not same!
seems like good value for money too. my maz dealer garry warren smith has a honda dealership aswell. wonder if that still gives us any perks lol
now which colour should we get hmmmmm red no. black no. dark blue.. hmm no. white no. grey hmmm silver maybe.......... and they got the same/similar colour as dads current car which nah not same!
seems like good value for money too. my maz dealer garry warren smith has a honda dealership aswell. wonder if that still gives us any perks lol
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I thought you'd find it an interesting choice.
It actually occupies a very similar niche in the market to your Dad's 929 (when it was current). Upmarket largish Japanese car with an assortment of gadgets and styling that is reasonably appealing in a safe kind of way.
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It actually occupies a very similar niche in the market to your Dad's 929 (when it was current). Upmarket largish Japanese car with an assortment of gadgets and styling that is reasonably appealing in a safe kind of way.