OT: Why is that ethically wrong?
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OT: Why is that ethically wrong?
http://www.theage.com.au/national/po...0827-43f1.html
Originally Posted by AAP
A Victorian police officer has been suspended on full pay after an investigation by the force's Ethical Standards Department.
- Officer investigated
- 'Concerns about behaviour'
- Possible charges
The suspension was confirmed by Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon on Fairfax Radio Network this morning.
Ms Nixon would not comment on reports that the officer had reduced speeding fines and assessed speed levels as being at a lesser speed than cars were actually travelling.
"We are investigating a matter which relates to a police officer and I guess my point at this stage is we are investigating and I think various people are speculating at what it is. But we've had concerns about his behaviour and we are investigating that,'' Ms Nixon confirmed.
It's claimed the charges the police officer may face are perverting the course of justice and falsifying documents.
Ms Nixon said police were talking to the Director of Public Prosecutions about what charges may be laid, if any.
She refused to say how the investigation came about, other than to say information came from ``a number of sources''.
An investigation into the officer had been going on for ``some time now'', Ms Nixon said, but declined to say for how long.
The Ethical Standards Department carried out the investigation. "We have a variety of ways we conduct investigations ... we're comfortable with the way we are investigating that.
"There's a whole variety of ways we find out about officers behaving badly. Our Ethical Standards Department does an outstanding job.''
But she said officers did have discretion when pulling people over for speeding.
"What people need to understand is that police officers do have discretion. Many officers exercise that discretion in a number of ways.
"What we require of our officers when they do that, though, is that they are open and transparent.''
The officer has not been named at this stage.
"People have a right to some privacy in policing, while we investigate the matter.''
If charges are laid, the police will publicly name those charges and the case will go before the court, Ms Nixon said.
- Officer investigated
- 'Concerns about behaviour'
- Possible charges
The suspension was confirmed by Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon on Fairfax Radio Network this morning.
Ms Nixon would not comment on reports that the officer had reduced speeding fines and assessed speed levels as being at a lesser speed than cars were actually travelling.
"We are investigating a matter which relates to a police officer and I guess my point at this stage is we are investigating and I think various people are speculating at what it is. But we've had concerns about his behaviour and we are investigating that,'' Ms Nixon confirmed.
It's claimed the charges the police officer may face are perverting the course of justice and falsifying documents.
Ms Nixon said police were talking to the Director of Public Prosecutions about what charges may be laid, if any.
She refused to say how the investigation came about, other than to say information came from ``a number of sources''.
An investigation into the officer had been going on for ``some time now'', Ms Nixon said, but declined to say for how long.
The Ethical Standards Department carried out the investigation. "We have a variety of ways we conduct investigations ... we're comfortable with the way we are investigating that.
"There's a whole variety of ways we find out about officers behaving badly. Our Ethical Standards Department does an outstanding job.''
But she said officers did have discretion when pulling people over for speeding.
"What people need to understand is that police officers do have discretion. Many officers exercise that discretion in a number of ways.
"What we require of our officers when they do that, though, is that they are open and transparent.''
The officer has not been named at this stage.
"People have a right to some privacy in policing, while we investigate the matter.''
If charges are laid, the police will publicly name those charges and the case will go before the court, Ms Nixon said.
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its a bit silly in my book
if youre going to give them a ticket, dont do a half arsed job and give them a ticket for doing <15 when they were doing >15 but <45.
if it ever goes to court youd have nothing because the offense doesnt fit the crime.
either give them the full amount or dont give them one at all
its more trouble than its worth
if youre going to give them a ticket, dont do a half arsed job and give them a ticket for doing <15 when they were doing >15 but <45.
if it ever goes to court youd have nothing because the offense doesnt fit the crime.
either give them the full amount or dont give them one at all
its more trouble than its worth
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I guess we'll just have to wait to see what comes out in a possible court case. There isn't enough information in the article, but there may be rules as to how discretion is exercised, and how it is documented.
A question for somebody who might know - if a speeding device captures your speed and records your number plate, is this data downloaded to a database and cross-checked against police records?
A question for somebody who might know - if a speeding device captures your speed and records your number plate, is this data downloaded to a database and cross-checked against police records?
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Is there something I'm missing here? To the Australian public he's a hero, but if he's letting people off for life endangering offences and he knows the risk.
Police once had a discretion to reduce speeding offences but we don't anymore. Having said that making an example of this bloke is nothing short of beaurocracy gone mad. Yes, he stuffed up, but to turn it into a full blown inquisition and a media circus is not the way to go.
It does raise another question. The National Measurement Act and Australian design rules prescribes the guidelines for measurement in terms of tolerances. All measuring devices (including radars) have a small margin of error and they allow for 10% tolerance. How is it in in Victoria you can get a ticket for being 3 or 4 km/h over the limit?
In the United States, speeding tolerance is usually up to the discretion of the individual officer and in the case of hand held radar, a person can't get a ticket if they are traveling less than 10 km/h over in a 90 km/h zone.
The United Kingdom recommends a tolerance level of +10%. In Queensland, there is a 10% tolerance that complies with the Trade Measurement and Fair Trading Act.
Victoria....you can get a fine for driving 3 km/h over the speed limit, and this is despite the Australian Design Rules and car manufacturers allowing a 10% margin of error.
Everytime I go to Victoria I find myself going UNDER the speed limit, and that can present another problem....wherelse should we go....Queensland!
Police once had a discretion to reduce speeding offences but we don't anymore. Having said that making an example of this bloke is nothing short of beaurocracy gone mad. Yes, he stuffed up, but to turn it into a full blown inquisition and a media circus is not the way to go.
It does raise another question. The National Measurement Act and Australian design rules prescribes the guidelines for measurement in terms of tolerances. All measuring devices (including radars) have a small margin of error and they allow for 10% tolerance. How is it in in Victoria you can get a ticket for being 3 or 4 km/h over the limit?
In the United States, speeding tolerance is usually up to the discretion of the individual officer and in the case of hand held radar, a person can't get a ticket if they are traveling less than 10 km/h over in a 90 km/h zone.
The United Kingdom recommends a tolerance level of +10%. In Queensland, there is a 10% tolerance that complies with the Trade Measurement and Fair Trading Act.
Victoria....you can get a fine for driving 3 km/h over the speed limit, and this is despite the Australian Design Rules and car manufacturers allowing a 10% margin of error.
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Everytime I go to Victoria I find myself going UNDER the speed limit, and that can present another problem....wherelse should we go....Queensland!
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I asked this question of DrewMan the other day. I got done a month ago coming out of a corner. Apparantly I went from a standing start, turning right up to 60kph in less than 50m. But I cant find anything anywhere that says what is allowed and I dont have the time or money to fight it, so I guess I just suck it up.
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Andrew unless you have some extreme circumstances or independent evidence theres a 99% chance you WON'T beat a LEO (Life Endangering Offence) Speeding, stop signs, red lights etc...forget it.
I tried writing a letter of leniency 12 months ago when my daughter just got out of hospital for a major operation. The seat belt was right on the operation line and as I eased on the brakes, I misjudged and stopped one metre over the line.
Yep you guessed it - camera intersection and the picture confirmed the front wheel was just over the line.
I provided the medical report etc and I not only got the 'Dear John', but I copped a spray for not complying with the legislation. My advice is sadly...suck it up and cop it sweet!
I tried writing a letter of leniency 12 months ago when my daughter just got out of hospital for a major operation. The seat belt was right on the operation line and as I eased on the brakes, I misjudged and stopped one metre over the line.
Yep you guessed it - camera intersection and the picture confirmed the front wheel was just over the line.
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I provided the medical report etc and I not only got the 'Dear John', but I copped a spray for not complying with the legislation. My advice is sadly...suck it up and cop it sweet!
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Most coppers seem to think that exercising their discretion is too hard these days and just stick to the rules - they're not paid enough to play judge and jury, which I think is fair enough. If you're over the limit, tough luck - pay up and get on with life.
A side note - every time I see that Nixon woman she looks another size bigger. One day she's going to explode....
A side note - every time I see that Nixon woman she looks another size bigger. One day she's going to explode....
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Is there something I'm missing here? To the Australian public he's a hero, but if he's letting people off for life endangering offences and he knows the risk.
Police once had a discretion to reduce speeding offences but we don't anymore. Having said that making an example of this bloke is nothing short of beaurocracy gone mad. Yes, he stuffed up, but to turn it into a full blown inquisition and a media circus is not the way to go.
It does raise another question. The National Measurement Act and Australian design rules prescribes the guidelines for measurement in terms of tolerances. All measuring devices (including radars) have a small margin of error and they allow for 10% tolerance. How is it in in Victoria you can get a ticket for being 3 or 4 km/h over the limit?
In the United States, speeding tolerance is usually up to the discretion of the individual officer and in the case of hand held radar, a person can't get a ticket if they are traveling less than 10 km/h over in a 90 km/h zone.
The United Kingdom recommends a tolerance level of +10%. In Queensland, there is a 10% tolerance that complies with the Trade Measurement and Fair Trading Act.
Victoria....you can get a fine for driving 3 km/h over the speed limit, and this is despite the Australian Design Rules and car manufacturers allowing a 10% margin of error.
Everytime I go to Victoria I find myself going UNDER the speed limit, and that can present another problem....wherelse should we go....Queensland!
Police once had a discretion to reduce speeding offences but we don't anymore. Having said that making an example of this bloke is nothing short of beaurocracy gone mad. Yes, he stuffed up, but to turn it into a full blown inquisition and a media circus is not the way to go.
It does raise another question. The National Measurement Act and Australian design rules prescribes the guidelines for measurement in terms of tolerances. All measuring devices (including radars) have a small margin of error and they allow for 10% tolerance. How is it in in Victoria you can get a ticket for being 3 or 4 km/h over the limit?
In the United States, speeding tolerance is usually up to the discretion of the individual officer and in the case of hand held radar, a person can't get a ticket if they are traveling less than 10 km/h over in a 90 km/h zone.
The United Kingdom recommends a tolerance level of +10%. In Queensland, there is a 10% tolerance that complies with the Trade Measurement and Fair Trading Act.
Victoria....you can get a fine for driving 3 km/h over the speed limit, and this is despite the Australian Design Rules and car manufacturers allowing a 10% margin of error.
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Everytime I go to Victoria I find myself going UNDER the speed limit, and that can present another problem....wherelse should we go....Queensland!
One Queensland example is the road from the border at Numinbah to Nerang. It is better than most roads that are gazetted 100 kmh yet it is an 80 kmh maximum speed limit all the way. Why ? Because it encourages traffic to use the M1 freeway instead.
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There is no big research of how to set road safety speed limits.
I wonder if Will (yellowrx8inoz) can help, he is afterall a "professor" of traffic.
I wonder if Will (yellowrx8inoz) can help, he is afterall a "professor" of traffic.
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