Rudd is after your RX8
09-14-2008, 04:12 PM
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Rudd is after your RX8
This will certainly sound the death bell for many a car specially our beloved rotaries
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24 ... 21,00.html
Motorists taxed on car efficiency by 2010
By Renee Viellaris
September 15, 2008 12:01am
MOTORISTS could be taxed for driving pollution-pumping vehicles under a Federal Government plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
A Vehicle Fuel Efficiency discussion paper released by the Rudd Government yesterday laid out a number of "potential measures", which also included reducing the cost of state registration and stamp duty charges for energy-saving vehicles.
The paper comes as the Government has committed to including transport in its emissions trading scheme, which will increase the cost of fuel when it is introduced in 2010.
In a bid to help motorists battling prices at the bowser, the Government has pledged to shoulder fuel increases at the pump by every cent they rise under an ETS - but only for three years.
The report, which called for public feedback by November, said emissions from the transport sector were the nation's third largest.
With more than 14 million registered vehicles on the roads, it was also one of the fastest-growing sources of carbon pollution in Australia.
"There is no silver bullet for reducing carbon dioxide emissions from the transport sector (and) instead we need a structured and measured approach to this issue," the report said.
"The Australian Government's Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme will be the primary mechanism for reducing carbon dioxide emissions on an economy-wide basis.
"Reforms to address fuel efficiency will need to be complementary to the scheme to help reduce travel costs and carbon emissions for Australian motorists."
It put forward the potential for financial rewards and disincentives for motorists who bought new cars.
"(Consider) the development of a framework to realign state and territory stamp duty and/or registration for light vehicles on a sliding scale based on carbon dioxide emissions," it said.
"(Consider) a balanced set of direct financial incentives (rebates) and disincentives (surcharges) for the purchase of new vehicles based on the carbon dioxide emissions performance of a vehicle."
It also proposed the potential for a mandatory carbon dioxide standard for new light vehicles.
It comes as Climate Change Minister Penny Wong attends a four-day meeting in Argentina ahead of new international negotiations on climate change.
The talks aim to expedite United Nations negotiations.
And Environment Minister Peter Garrett also announced yesterday an extra $7.5 million - on top of the $23 million already pledged - would be directed at saving the Great Barrier Reef.
He said up to $4.5 million would help monitor water quality in rivers and wetlands, $2 million would pay for new water quality technologies and $1 million would be offered to traditional owners to conserve turtles and dugongs.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24 ... 21,00.html
Motorists taxed on car efficiency by 2010
By Renee Viellaris
September 15, 2008 12:01am
MOTORISTS could be taxed for driving pollution-pumping vehicles under a Federal Government plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
A Vehicle Fuel Efficiency discussion paper released by the Rudd Government yesterday laid out a number of "potential measures", which also included reducing the cost of state registration and stamp duty charges for energy-saving vehicles.
The paper comes as the Government has committed to including transport in its emissions trading scheme, which will increase the cost of fuel when it is introduced in 2010.
In a bid to help motorists battling prices at the bowser, the Government has pledged to shoulder fuel increases at the pump by every cent they rise under an ETS - but only for three years.
The report, which called for public feedback by November, said emissions from the transport sector were the nation's third largest.
With more than 14 million registered vehicles on the roads, it was also one of the fastest-growing sources of carbon pollution in Australia.
"There is no silver bullet for reducing carbon dioxide emissions from the transport sector (and) instead we need a structured and measured approach to this issue," the report said.
"The Australian Government's Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme will be the primary mechanism for reducing carbon dioxide emissions on an economy-wide basis.
"Reforms to address fuel efficiency will need to be complementary to the scheme to help reduce travel costs and carbon emissions for Australian motorists."
It put forward the potential for financial rewards and disincentives for motorists who bought new cars.
"(Consider) the development of a framework to realign state and territory stamp duty and/or registration for light vehicles on a sliding scale based on carbon dioxide emissions," it said.
"(Consider) a balanced set of direct financial incentives (rebates) and disincentives (surcharges) for the purchase of new vehicles based on the carbon dioxide emissions performance of a vehicle."
It also proposed the potential for a mandatory carbon dioxide standard for new light vehicles.
It comes as Climate Change Minister Penny Wong attends a four-day meeting in Argentina ahead of new international negotiations on climate change.
The talks aim to expedite United Nations negotiations.
And Environment Minister Peter Garrett also announced yesterday an extra $7.5 million - on top of the $23 million already pledged - would be directed at saving the Great Barrier Reef.
He said up to $4.5 million would help monitor water quality in rivers and wetlands, $2 million would pay for new water quality technologies and $1 million would be offered to traditional owners to conserve turtles and dugongs.
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09-14-2008, 04:52 PM
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There has been a steady decline in Labours popularity in the past year, and you can put that down to the the way they've handled our fiscal policies against the downturn of the US economy.
An emissions tax of 10c a litre would filter down to every part of the economy, inrease the prices of all goods and services with a domino effect on our incomes and jobs...heres comes the recession we dind't need to have. Theres a national wide trend against Labours handling of policies, its happened in WA and come next year we should see the Borg rise up....look at NSW - what a mess.
At any rate its just a discussion paper and any attempt to bring a tax like that in, the National backlash would be severe...
An emissions tax of 10c a litre would filter down to every part of the economy, inrease the prices of all goods and services with a domino effect on our incomes and jobs...heres comes the recession we dind't need to have. Theres a national wide trend against Labours handling of policies, its happened in WA and come next year we should see the Borg rise up....look at NSW - what a mess.
At any rate its just a discussion paper and any attempt to bring a tax like that in, the National backlash would be severe...
09-14-2008, 05:17 PM
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It is done in London. It is hardly new and Labour is just a copy cat!
Yes RX-8 a/c to emission will be in the top bracket, but modified Civic Type R will be quite low in emission tax because the stock car is small in emission rating.
Yes RX-8 a/c to emission will be in the top bracket, but modified Civic Type R will be quite low in emission tax because the stock car is small in emission rating.
09-14-2008, 07:15 PM
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And the natives are revolting in the UK about it.
Labour UK has introduced a raft of 'green taxes' which are now being seen by many voters as another cynical money grab.
Rudd is demonstrating what I believed him to be - a smooth talking nerd with no substance and no fresh ideas.
Labour UK has introduced a raft of 'green taxes' which are now being seen by many voters as another cynical money grab.
Rudd is demonstrating what I believed him to be - a smooth talking nerd with no substance and no fresh ideas.
09-15-2008, 03:58 AM
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Personally I would have no issue with it if it was passed on to the car makers to help allow them to move to greener technologies. But with the history of the labour governments using cars to raise revenue I cant see it happening.
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09-15-2008, 07:36 AM
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What are you guys talking about?
The RX-8 isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle, but it is not the most polluting thing you can drive today.
CO2 emissions: 284g/km.
A Prius is 104g/km, and a typical lambo is 500g/km.
Here's the rest of Mazda's cars.
http://exploreourpla.net/climate-cha...fil=mazda#main
EDIT: After looking around, I couldn't see any regular cars that matched the RX-8's emissions unless I ventured into SUV territory. So I guess you just have to think of the RX-8 as a SUV in terms of gas mileage and co2 output.
The RX-8 isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle, but it is not the most polluting thing you can drive today.
CO2 emissions: 284g/km.
A Prius is 104g/km, and a typical lambo is 500g/km.
Here's the rest of Mazda's cars.
http://exploreourpla.net/climate-cha...fil=mazda#main
EDIT: After looking around, I couldn't see any regular cars that matched the RX-8's emissions unless I ventured into SUV territory. So I guess you just have to think of the RX-8 as a SUV in terms of gas mileage and co2 output.
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09-17-2008, 06:47 AM
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Rudd wouldn't know what to do with an RX-8.
He strikes me as more of a Camry sort of a bloke.
An underpowered boring drive that you are a bit embarassed about owning.
Howard was more like a Rover 3500.
A bit flash in his day but an expensive curse in the long run.
He strikes me as more of a Camry sort of a bloke.
An underpowered boring drive that you are a bit embarassed about owning.
Howard was more like a Rover 3500.
A bit flash in his day but an expensive curse in the long run.
09-17-2008, 10:39 PM
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Well I did not vote for a Dudd PM! ..SO THERE!
This guy has NO Ideas or solutions only Motherhood statements.
Signed Kyoto...Big NO Deal.
Said Sorry, NOT for me he did not!.
Increased the LCT...WHY?, They don't need the revenue, they have **** loads.
Since when is $57,123 a Luxury Price for a new car?
AlchoPOP Tax, again WHY, Large Spirit sales have gone through the roof.
Have you noticed ALL Labor ever do is PUT Up Taxes...
A Carbon TAX, what a load of C R A P.
GOD Help Australia
This guy has NO Ideas or solutions only Motherhood statements.
Signed Kyoto...Big NO Deal.
Said Sorry, NOT for me he did not!.
Increased the LCT...WHY?, They don't need the revenue, they have **** loads.
Since when is $57,123 a Luxury Price for a new car?
AlchoPOP Tax, again WHY, Large Spirit sales have gone through the roof.
Have you noticed ALL Labor ever do is PUT Up Taxes...
A Carbon TAX, what a load of C R A P.
GOD Help Australia
09-17-2008, 10:42 PM
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The CO2 from everyday motor cars (of Today) is so low it is hardly measurable in percentage terms when compared to Industry, Animals and Nature.
09-18-2008, 08:29 AM
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What are you guys talking about?
The RX-8 isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle, but it is not the most polluting thing you can drive today.
CO2 emissions: 284g/km.
A Prius is 104g/km, and a typical lambo is 500g/km.
Here's the rest of Mazda's cars.
http://exploreourpla.net/climate-cha...fil=mazda#main
EDIT: After looking around, I couldn't see any regular cars that matched the RX-8's emissions unless I ventured into SUV territory. So I guess you just have to think of the RX-8 as a SUV in terms of gas mileage and co2 output.
The RX-8 isn't the most fuel efficient vehicle, but it is not the most polluting thing you can drive today.
CO2 emissions: 284g/km.
A Prius is 104g/km, and a typical lambo is 500g/km.
Here's the rest of Mazda's cars.
http://exploreourpla.net/climate-cha...fil=mazda#main
EDIT: After looking around, I couldn't see any regular cars that matched the RX-8's emissions unless I ventured into SUV territory. So I guess you just have to think of the RX-8 as a SUV in terms of gas mileage and co2 output.
One of the characteristics of a rotary engine is its combustion process. Compared to a piston engine (to which emmissions laws are aligned) the killer for the rotary is HC. A rotary engine (non-MSP) will typically do 30% more HC than a piston at low rpm.
At the same time a rotary engine will produce only 2/3 of the CO + Co2 of an equivelent piston & the 13B-MSP is even better than this known fact due to its MSP design. On the other side, laws have tightened up big time in the last few years making it hard for anything
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09-18-2008, 06:44 PM
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So you would rather have a boring life where the government controls what you spend and where you spend it, rather than having an exciting life with the ability to choose for yourself and buy what you want to buy!
And btw, your analogy is wrong. The Rover 3500 was a dream to drive and still is! Triumph Stags were the curses!
09-18-2008, 10:43 PM
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Labors philosophy is to have everyone under their control, socialistic ,even dare I say the other C word.
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is just off on his 16th overseas trip in what 10 months!, perhaps it would help if he "Governed" our country and implement the promises he was elected on....like..
Cheaper groceries, he gives us "Unit pricing", this fails to make any difference in the cost of groceries.
Ending the Duopoly (Cole's and Woolworth's) may help here Kev...it is called anti-trust laws.
Fuel watch, now that is another laugh...
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is just off on his 16th overseas trip in what 10 months!, perhaps it would help if he "Governed" our country and implement the promises he was elected on....like..
Cheaper groceries, he gives us "Unit pricing", this fails to make any difference in the cost of groceries.
Ending the Duopoly (Cole's and Woolworth's) may help here Kev...it is called anti-trust laws.
Fuel watch, now that is another laugh...
09-19-2008, 04:54 AM
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Labors philosophy is to have everyone under their control, socialistic ,even dare I say the other C word.
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is just off on his 16th overseas trip in what 10 months!, perhaps it would help if he "Governed" our country and implement the promises he was elected on....like..
Cheaper groceries, he gives us "Unit pricing", this fails to make any difference in the cost of groceries.
Ending the Duopoly (Cole's and Woolworth's) may help here Kev...it is called anti-trust laws.
Fuel watch, now that is another laugh...
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is just off on his 16th overseas trip in what 10 months!, perhaps it would help if he "Governed" our country and implement the promises he was elected on....like..
Cheaper groceries, he gives us "Unit pricing", this fails to make any difference in the cost of groceries.
Ending the Duopoly (Cole's and Woolworth's) may help here Kev...it is called anti-trust laws.
Fuel watch, now that is another laugh...
09-19-2008, 08:07 AM
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Labors philosophy is to have everyone under their control, socialistic ,even dare I say the other C word.
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is
Just a polite note to remind members that politics as a topic is off limits, even Oz politics.
Liberals philosophy even back to Robert Menzies is to lift ones worth (financially) and give you choice.
Prime Minister Dudd is
Just a polite note to remind members that politics as a topic is off limits, even Oz politics.
09-21-2008, 04:24 PM
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Yet when we were under the Liberal Government, we were better off than we are now!
So you would rather have a boring life where the government controls what you spend and where you spend it, rather than having an exciting life with the ability to choose for yourself and buy what you want to buy!
And btw, your analogy is wrong. The Rover 3500 was a dream to drive and still is! Triumph Stags were the curses!
So you would rather have a boring life where the government controls what you spend and where you spend it, rather than having an exciting life with the ability to choose for yourself and buy what you want to buy!
And btw, your analogy is wrong. The Rover 3500 was a dream to drive and still is! Triumph Stags were the curses!
Maybe Turnbull can put together a decent team. At least he is in favour of a republic.
Party politics is 99% of the problem.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/a...e#contentSwap1
09-21-2008, 05:49 PM
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To start off with "Inflation" is a condition....the end result of GOOD Times..
Every new or next Government will be the "Highest Taxing Government In History", which will happed to Dudd's Government too.It is called growth.
The Prev Government gave Bi-annual income tax cuts, I cant' ever recall a Labor Government doing the same (Apart from Dudds Promise to match Howard which he did do)
Every new or next Government will be the "Highest Taxing Government In History", which will happed to Dudd's Government too.It is called growth.
The Prev Government gave Bi-annual income tax cuts, I cant' ever recall a Labor Government doing the same (Apart from Dudds Promise to match Howard which he did do)
09-21-2008, 06:28 PM
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I totally respect Stealth's decision on closing this thread, because it is forum rules.
Australians in general are pretty relax about politics. And about 95% of Australians will find something to complain about the current government. It is the nature of Australian. So don't be uptight about this thread will offend some viewer...
Australians in general are pretty relax about politics. And about 95% of Australians will find something to complain about the current government. It is the nature of Australian. So don't be uptight about this thread will offend some viewer...
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