Servicing and reflashing
06-15-2004, 10:06 PM
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Hello RX8 Owners,
Gomez, I have to disagree on a few of your service prices that you have been quoted. Werribee Mazda is a little cheaper than that. Do we have to have our RX8's serviced @ Mazda dealers so that they honour our warranty?
Also, i got the Flash 'M' update free of charge @ Werribee Mazda. i spoke to a guy called Sam, who upgraded it and also fixed the damper recall on my RX8.
Gomez, I have to disagree on a few of your service prices that you have been quoted. Werribee Mazda is a little cheaper than that. Do we have to have our RX8's serviced @ Mazda dealers so that they honour our warranty?
Also, i got the Flash 'M' update free of charge @ Werribee Mazda. i spoke to a guy called Sam, who upgraded it and also fixed the damper recall on my RX8.
06-15-2004, 10:08 PM
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Hello RX8 Owners,
Gomez, I have to disagree on a few of your service prices that you have been quoted. Werribee Mazda is a little cheaper than that. Do we have to have our RX8's serviced @ Mazda dealers so that they honour our warranty?
Also, i got the Flash 'M' update free of charge @ Werribee Mazda. i spoke to a guy called Sam, who upgraded it and also fixed the damper recall on my RX8.
Kind Regards
Gomez, I have to disagree on a few of your service prices that you have been quoted. Werribee Mazda is a little cheaper than that. Do we have to have our RX8's serviced @ Mazda dealers so that they honour our warranty?
Also, i got the Flash 'M' update free of charge @ Werribee Mazda. i spoke to a guy called Sam, who upgraded it and also fixed the damper recall on my RX8.
Kind Regards
06-15-2004, 10:22 PM
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Hi dude....no need to disagree, the prices I posted are the prices charged by City Mazda for scheduled services.
You did not get the "M" flash, you got the "G" flash....the "M" is a North American flash. You don't have to get the car serviced at a Mazda dealer, but you'd be mad not to.......they are the only one's with access to WDS (Worldwide Diagnostic System). Essential for fault diagnosis and software updates on your 8..
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You did not get the "M" flash, you got the "G" flash....the "M" is a North American flash. You don't have to get the car serviced at a Mazda dealer, but you'd be mad not to.......they are the only one's with access to WDS (Worldwide Diagnostic System). Essential for fault diagnosis and software updates on your 8..
Gomez.
06-18-2004, 09:17 AM
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Greetings All,
You aren't going to believe this.....
Well as you all know today was the day for our RX-8 to get the new front door trims and the dent fixed that happened at the 10,000 service. This was all done well with no problems.
I waited until I picked up the car to bring up the subject of my perception that they are over charging for services and oversupplying (oil) and this is what happened:
I said I was returning the 1 litre of 'genuine' Mazda oil as I felt I had already paid for the rest of the 5 litres as supplied with the service. I was then told that the RX-8 holds 4.7 litres ! I said I don't believe it - it states clearly in the manual with the car that it is 3.5 litres and then went out to the car and got the book and showed the service manager the relevant page.
"Hmmmm" was the reply.
So I then said that if that is indeed the case why have people I know of complained when they also got charged for more oil than they believed the system could hold then got if free ? This caused him to give me the 1 litre of oil back AND the cost of it - $11 !
So I left there still unsure whether or not to continue using them - he even showed me an invoice from Penrith Mazda - no idea how he got it - that showed some fuel additives included in the service cost that they don't use in their services.
So do we have the only RX-8 on the planet that takes 4.7 litres of oil ??? I asked to see that figure in writing but nothing was supplied. Who DO you trust ???
See - I told you all you wouldn't believe this :-)
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Jeffneil
You aren't going to believe this.....
Well as you all know today was the day for our RX-8 to get the new front door trims and the dent fixed that happened at the 10,000 service. This was all done well with no problems.
I waited until I picked up the car to bring up the subject of my perception that they are over charging for services and oversupplying (oil) and this is what happened:
I said I was returning the 1 litre of 'genuine' Mazda oil as I felt I had already paid for the rest of the 5 litres as supplied with the service. I was then told that the RX-8 holds 4.7 litres ! I said I don't believe it - it states clearly in the manual with the car that it is 3.5 litres and then went out to the car and got the book and showed the service manager the relevant page.
"Hmmmm" was the reply.
So I then said that if that is indeed the case why have people I know of complained when they also got charged for more oil than they believed the system could hold then got if free ? This caused him to give me the 1 litre of oil back AND the cost of it - $11 !
So I left there still unsure whether or not to continue using them - he even showed me an invoice from Penrith Mazda - no idea how he got it - that showed some fuel additives included in the service cost that they don't use in their services.
So do we have the only RX-8 on the planet that takes 4.7 litres of oil ??? I asked to see that figure in writing but nothing was supplied. Who DO you trust ???
See - I told you all you wouldn't believe this :-)
Regards
Jeffneil
06-18-2004, 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by jeffneil
So do we have the only RX-8 on the planet that takes 4.7 litres of oil ??? I asked to see that figure in writing but nothing was supplied. Who DO you trust ???
See - I told you all you wouldn't believe this :-)
Regards
Jeffneil
So do we have the only RX-8 on the planet that takes 4.7 litres of oil ??? I asked to see that figure in writing but nothing was supplied. Who DO you trust ???
See - I told you all you wouldn't believe this :-)
Regards
Jeffneil
Check your dipstick today!!! They might have overfilled with the engine oil! Make sure you warm up the car though.
Most people charge 5L but they charge $50 and retail $12/L so not much difference?
Another question: is there extra oil in the oil cooler line or they counted as 3.7L ---??
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06-19-2004, 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by takahashi
Jeff
Check your dipstick today!!! They might have overfilled with the engine oil! Make sure you warm up the car though.
Jeff
Check your dipstick today!!! They might have overfilled with the engine oil! Make sure you warm up the car though.
Certainly I have been overfilled twice, and over-charged for 5L once. The service manager and I now have an "understanding" 
06-19-2004, 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Gomez
I read somewhere.....I'll find it......that you're not supposed to use fuel additives in the 8............
Gomez.
I read somewhere.....I'll find it......that you're not supposed to use fuel additives in the 8............
Gomez.
Additives may "damage the system".....that's probably in every car's owners manual, but you can point it out to the dealer next time they try and charge you for it.
Gomez.
06-19-2004, 01:59 AM
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I found it in the first package they send me
Title "A quick spin around your new RX-8"
Come with the welcome package together with the rotary key.
Same as Gomez found in the owner manual but they stress the point under the heading fuel
"Your RX-8 requires the use of Premium Unleaded Fuel iwth a Reseach Octane Number of 95 or above.
Given the unique naure of the Renesis engine, fuel additives, cleaning agents and low octane fuel may damage the catalytic converter or the engine itself and should never be used in your RX-8."
Then they bold and italics the very important message:
"The fuel cap is located on the passenger side of your RX-8 and the remote fuel-filler flap release is located on the floor inside the driver's door."
Does anyone have trouble finding it yet? :p
Title "A quick spin around your new RX-8"
Come with the welcome package together with the rotary key.
Same as Gomez found in the owner manual but they stress the point under the heading fuel
"Your RX-8 requires the use of Premium Unleaded Fuel iwth a Reseach Octane Number of 95 or above.
Given the unique naure of the Renesis engine, fuel additives, cleaning agents and low octane fuel may damage the catalytic converter or the engine itself and should never be used in your RX-8."
Then they bold and italics the very important message:
"The fuel cap is located on the passenger side of your RX-8 and the remote fuel-filler flap release is located on the floor inside the driver's door."
Does anyone have trouble finding it yet? :p
06-20-2004, 08:53 AM
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Greetings All,
Well I took your advice and checked the oil level - it is actually showing 2 or 3 mm above the full line so technically it IS over full but I wouldn't think it was by very much.
So OK - there are some Forum members that are working in a Mazda dealership - speak up please and tell us all EXACTLY how much oil is in an RX-8 so we know once and for all.
So far the manual supplied with the car states that there is 3.5 litres (including the oil in the filter) and my service guy told me straight to my face that the car takes 4.7 litres - so someone is clearly incorrect here - and if that is the case why hasn't anyone else been told that when they complained ?
Regards
Jeffneil
Well I took your advice and checked the oil level - it is actually showing 2 or 3 mm above the full line so technically it IS over full but I wouldn't think it was by very much.
So OK - there are some Forum members that are working in a Mazda dealership - speak up please and tell us all EXACTLY how much oil is in an RX-8 so we know once and for all.
So far the manual supplied with the car states that there is 3.5 litres (including the oil in the filter) and my service guy told me straight to my face that the car takes 4.7 litres - so someone is clearly incorrect here - and if that is the case why hasn't anyone else been told that when they complained ?
Regards
Jeffneil
06-20-2004, 09:04 AM
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Jeff it is just a lucky guess... I remember KARCPA/or was it Timbo? has his overfilled. Well although the oil is over the High line but there is nothing to say what they did is wrong. Of course they see the oil is full in the other way - which I don't know what that is...
Also the Lower line is not empty - it is just low in oil. So the dipstick is only an indicator :p
Trust your dealer as they have the madza handbook. Talking about this GOMEZ TELL US WHAT THEY DO, how much the oil tank is and also any implication on overfilling.. PLS :p
Also the Lower line is not empty - it is just low in oil. So the dipstick is only an indicator :p
Trust your dealer as they have the madza handbook. Talking about this GOMEZ TELL US WHAT THEY DO, how much the oil tank is and also any implication on overfilling.. PLS :p
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06-20-2004, 09:21 AM
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Greetings Again All,
Final time for tonight I promise !
I have just had a look in the 'Vehicle Specifications' brochure for the RX-8 from the UK and it stated that Engine Oil capacity is 6.7 litres - so now I am even more confused... do they get the twin oil coolers there (couldn't find it in the brochure) - is that where the extra oil comes in ?
Wouldn't we all like to know the absolute truth about this ?
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Jeffneil
Final time for tonight I promise !
I have just had a look in the 'Vehicle Specifications' brochure for the RX-8 from the UK and it stated that Engine Oil capacity is 6.7 litres - so now I am even more confused... do they get the twin oil coolers there (couldn't find it in the brochure) - is that where the extra oil comes in ?
Wouldn't we all like to know the absolute truth about this ?
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06-20-2004, 06:20 PM
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Greetings All,
Still about the oil capacity issue - I know some of you have had the sump replaced and do we know the capacity is the same as the old one or is it bigger ? Could that explain where I am getting this 4.7 litres (service guy) versus 3.5 litres (manual) from ?
Just a thought.... and me trying to explain my service manager's unerring belief that it holds 4.7 litres !
Regards
Jeffneil
Still about the oil capacity issue - I know some of you have had the sump replaced and do we know the capacity is the same as the old one or is it bigger ? Could that explain where I am getting this 4.7 litres (service guy) versus 3.5 litres (manual) from ?
Just a thought.... and me trying to explain my service manager's unerring belief that it holds 4.7 litres !
Regards
Jeffneil
06-27-2004, 09:46 PM
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I haven't been checking my oil for a while. I checked it after a run to warm it up, it was almost completely dry. Bought a 5 Litre bottle and overtopped it by 3-4mms. Yet still remaining about 1-2 litres.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
06-28-2004, 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by jeffneil
Greetings All,
Still about the oil capacity issue - I know some of you have had the sump replaced and do we know the capacity is the same as the old one or is it bigger ? Could that explain where I am getting this 4.7 litres (service guy) versus 3.5 litres (manual) from ?
Just a thought.... and me trying to explain my service manager's unerring belief that it holds 4.7 litres !
Regards
Jeffneil
Greetings All,
Still about the oil capacity issue - I know some of you have had the sump replaced and do we know the capacity is the same as the old one or is it bigger ? Could that explain where I am getting this 4.7 litres (service guy) versus 3.5 litres (manual) from ?
Just a thought.... and me trying to explain my service manager's unerring belief that it holds 4.7 litres !
Regards
Jeffneil
The complete capacity of the entire oil system in the RX-8 is 6.7L -- that includes the lines and oil cooler(s) (actually, it is unclear whether this is the single or double cooler model - have seen a spec sheet showing a 6.9L capacity, which I took to be the two coller model). So assume our Australian spec has a total capacity of 6.7L.
As with any car, there is a difference between total oil system capacity and the volume that is changed at each oil change. In the case of the Australian RX-8, the oil change capacity is 3.75L -- this is the amount given in the Owner's Handbook - specifications. To "change" the other (almost) 3L you have to run multiple changes, ie, fill/change, fill/change -- so you never really have absolutely fresh oil in your sump. Again, this is true for most cars.
Because of the confusion over this issue (my service manager now accepts this, and no longer tries to charge me for 5L), I wonder if there is some confusion in the Workshop manual, where they probably also list the oil system capacity as well as the oil change capacity
FYI, there's been a previous thread on the practice and effect of over-filling. See Oil overfilling
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06-28-2004, 03:41 AM
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Okay....the repair manual states 3.5 litres for oil & filter replacement.......3.3ltrs for oil only..........Dry engine rebuild capacity of 4.7ltrs, total system capacity of 5.8ltrs for single oil cooler model (that's you baby....) and 6.7 litres for the Yanks that have the 2 oil coolers on their High Power model......... (which should drive you all crazy, 'cos we've got that engine in the Oz spec cars.....)
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P.S Sorry Jeffneil....I should have gotten on to this earlier. The 4.7 magic figure is dry engine rebuild capacity......tell the service guy to go he!
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P.S Sorry Jeffneil....I should have gotten on to this earlier. The 4.7 magic figure is dry engine rebuild capacity......tell the service guy to go he!
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06-28-2004, 04:10 AM
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You are 100% right the single oil cooler for our cars sucks , and it got me really pissed of , however i did not have the support of some of the other forum members to make a big song and dance about it to Mazda head office .
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You are 100% right the single oil cooler for our cars sucks , and it got me really pissed of , however i did not have the support of some of the other forum members to make a big song and dance about it to Mazda head office .
cheers
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06-28-2004, 09:23 AM
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Thanks a lot Guys for explaining all this - I haven't talked to my service guy since that day recently when I challenged him about it - not in a big hurry to anytime soon actually.... but at least we all have the facts now. We are armed and dangerous !
BTW did anyone see the wreckage of the 350Z on the news and in the papers yesterday and today - not much left of it and nobody knows what happened. It crashed in riverstone, Western Sydney.
Drive carefully everyone.
Regards
Jeffneil
BTW did anyone see the wreckage of the 350Z on the news and in the papers yesterday and today - not much left of it and nobody knows what happened. It crashed in riverstone, Western Sydney.
Drive carefully everyone.
Regards
Jeffneil
06-28-2004, 06:30 PM
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Thanks a lot Guys for explaining all this - I haven't talked to my service guy since that day recently when I challenged him about it - not in a big hurry to anytime soon actually.... but at least we all have the facts now. We are armed and dangerous !
BTW did anyone see the wreckage of the 350Z on the news and in the papers yesterday and today - not much left of it and nobody knows what happened. It crashed in riverstone, Western Sydney.
Drive carefully everyone.
Regards
Jeffneil
Thanks a lot Guys for explaining all this - I haven't talked to my service guy since that day recently when I challenged him about it - not in a big hurry to anytime soon actually.... but at least we all have the facts now. We are armed and dangerous !
BTW did anyone see the wreckage of the 350Z on the news and in the papers yesterday and today - not much left of it and nobody knows what happened. It crashed in riverstone, Western Sydney.
Drive carefully everyone.
Regards
Jeffneil
Hey Jeff can you scan the pic of the Z wreckage?