Thinking about trading up
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Thinking about trading up
I spoke with my dealer who offered to get me into a new RX 8 without effecting my lease payments. This is a tempting offer as this gets me into a new vehicle with new warranty , etc.
They have offered around $45 000 trade in on my '03 leather pack with 37 000 on the clock. I think the trade in value is higher then normal but there is no negotiation on the driveaway price of $62 000.
I am tempted and may jump in if they let me keep some of my accessories on my current vehicle.
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They have offered around $45 000 trade in on my '03 leather pack with 37 000 on the clock. I think the trade in value is higher then normal but there is no negotiation on the driveaway price of $62 000.
I am tempted and may jump in if they let me keep some of my accessories on my current vehicle.
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Based on my limited research I'd say that wasn't a bad deal on an 06' car. Good trade value would be about $39, given that a dealer has to add GST & a margin. That makes your driveaway, GST incl of around $56 (or about $51) gst ex.
Worth checking on the RX8 finance deal which was 3% on 05' stock, finished end of Feb I think but worth a double check. Vs regular finance deal that's worth a couple of hundred a month.
Worth checking on the RX8 finance deal which was 3% on 05' stock, finished end of Feb I think but worth a double check. Vs regular finance deal that's worth a couple of hundred a month.
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I have just done the same thing and traded my 03 Black LP for a 05 Red LP.
My black car was due for rego, tyres and the 50,000km service so I thought if I can make the numbers add up, why not.
And as much as I love black (best colour for an RX-8) I dont regret changing colours. I have washed the red car once in a fortnight and it still looks good. The black car looked ordinary the next day.
My black car was due for rego, tyres and the 50,000km service so I thought if I can make the numbers add up, why not.
And as much as I love black (best colour for an RX-8) I dont regret changing colours. I have washed the red car once in a fortnight and it still looks good. The black car looked ordinary the next day.
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I hope the come good with the transfer of some of the accessories then we may have a deal.
I am considering the new blue/ aqua, grey or maybe red. I am also thinking about the sunroof as well. I guess according to Mikes figures it seems like a good deal.
The dealer also reminded me that I have claimed a large chunk of the depreciation back in tax as well which makes the drop in value palatable.
skc
I am considering the new blue/ aqua, grey or maybe red. I am also thinking about the sunroof as well. I guess according to Mikes figures it seems like a good deal.
The dealer also reminded me that I have claimed a large chunk of the depreciation back in tax as well which makes the drop in value palatable.
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Originally Posted by skc
The dealer also reminded me that I have claimed a large chunk of the depreciation back in tax as well which makes the drop in value palatable.
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I still had some negative equity in the lease so I had to juggle the trade in and the new car price to cover it.
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It is dealer finance however, I they cannot offer me the 2.99% interest as they will end up loosing money on the deal.
The 2.99% finance offer only works if buyers pay full price. This is because the dealer gets finance at normal rates and pay the difference on your behalf. So it is a gimmick to attract more buyers.
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The 2.99% finance offer only works if buyers pay full price. This is because the dealer gets finance at normal rates and pay the difference on your behalf. So it is a gimmick to attract more buyers.
skc
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So how does this work? The trade-in covers your balloon (any left over?
) and they just extend your existing lease term by, say, 30mths at the same rate. Or do they write a new lease? And how is your accountant going to handle the trade-in if it's above the residual?
I've been offered a similar deal but it bears some close examination, especially if there is any tinkering with residuals that affect your tax position. Mazda dealers don't seem too bad on this, but I can tell you from some experience that when I leased a Range Rover, it became quite difficult not lease another one...as their dealers were the only ones that would readily trade in at or above the residual. Mercedes have been doing it for years.
Still, having said all that, what else would you buy?
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I've been offered a similar deal but it bears some close examination, especially if there is any tinkering with residuals that affect your tax position. Mazda dealers don't seem too bad on this, but I can tell you from some experience that when I leased a Range Rover, it became quite difficult not lease another one...as their dealers were the only ones that would readily trade in at or above the residual. Mercedes have been doing it for years.
Still, having said all that, what else would you buy?
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The inflated trade in price was to cover my payout figure on my last finance(hire purchase). Therefore, there will be no residual. The new car will go onto a new lease over 5 yrs with a balloon payment.
My accountant was OK with the idea of trading in as he agreed that I will be able to claim better write off as it is at its greatest over the first 2 years. It is also benefitial on my part as the business will own the car this time allowing GST claim on payments. However, he said I will fall into the trap of changing over every 2 years and never actually owning a car.
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My accountant was OK with the idea of trading in as he agreed that I will be able to claim better write off as it is at its greatest over the first 2 years. It is also benefitial on my part as the business will own the car this time allowing GST claim on payments. However, he said I will fall into the trap of changing over every 2 years and never actually owning a car.
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Originally Posted by timbo
Still, having said all that, what else would you buy? ![Uhh](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/uhh.gif)
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To me these are; accomodate passangers, perfomance, look good and perform on the occassional track day.
It is a big ask for a car, some demands are subjective so, if there are alternatives I will consider these.
The only thing that bothers me at the moment is that the family does not enjoy being passangers due to the restricted visibility in the rear seats
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Originally Posted by timbo
So how does this work? The trade-in covers your balloon (any left over?
) and they just extend your existing lease term by, say, 30mths at the same rate. Or do they write a new lease? And how is your accountant going to handle the trade-in if it's above the residual?
I've been offered a similar deal but it bears some close examination, especially if there is any tinkering with residuals that affect your tax position. Mazda dealers don't seem too bad on this, but I can tell you from some experience that when I leased a Range Rover, it became quite difficult not lease another one...as their dealers were the only ones that would readily trade in at or above the residual. Mercedes have been doing it for years.
Still, having said all that, what else would you buy?![Uhh](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/uhh.gif)
![Wink](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I've been offered a similar deal but it bears some close examination, especially if there is any tinkering with residuals that affect your tax position. Mazda dealers don't seem too bad on this, but I can tell you from some experience that when I leased a Range Rover, it became quite difficult not lease another one...as their dealers were the only ones that would readily trade in at or above the residual. Mercedes have been doing it for years.
Still, having said all that, what else would you buy?
![Uhh](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/uhh.gif)
I'm not an accountant but the way i understand it is that you are CHPing the car vs leasing the mechanics are quite straight forward. You make a capital gain on the sale/trade price if it is above the depreciated residual value. However you then get a deduction for the new asset over the period you own it within the year. You need one to offset the other. You're better off getting a lower trade and a "discount" at the front end.
Eg after 3 years (assume pick up 1/7 and sell 30/6, just to keep it simple) of an initial purchase price of $62k with 22.5% depreciation a year, the book value is $28.9k Also if you had claimed 80% business then you would have recieved a tax deduction over 3 years of $33.2k x 80% or $26.5.
If you get a trade of $45 then you have realised a capital gain of $16.1k of which you have claimed 80%. (~$13k). But of course at this time of year you haven't actually claimed the 3rd year so you book value at June 05 is $37.5k or a capital gain of $7.5k.
With 4 months to go this year, the new car will achieve a depreciation of $62 x 4/12 months x 22.5% or $4.6k.
Meaning that there indeed may be a capital gain to pay ie $7.5 - 4.6 x 80%usage or $2.3k
But it all depends of the treatment of gst, date of purchase and if the accountant has fully depreciated each year.
Pretty safe to assume however that you would get no real deduction in financial year 06'.
Of course if you're leasing , I'm buggered if i know!!!!
and the back of my envelope is full!
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Thanks Mikey
Yeah, I'm a lease bunny, so it can get a bit complex. I just do what my accountant says works...after he's given me the "really, you'd be far better off buying an old car" lecture
(he's a classic Alfa buff, silly bugger
)
I figure cars are a pure cost item, and you should structure your use of them to maximise the deductibility of that cost while still driving something you like, and which is reliable (he hates that argument
)
Yeah, I'm a lease bunny, so it can get a bit complex. I just do what my accountant says works...after he's given me the "really, you'd be far better off buying an old car" lecture
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I figure cars are a pure cost item, and you should structure your use of them to maximise the deductibility of that cost while still driving something you like, and which is reliable (he hates that argument
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I've always been a CHP'r, cause i liked to turn over every few years, so constantly getting a good depreciation and the lump once a year which tended to get spent as a lump (mortgage) rather than evaporating.
I own this one. Very odd!
I own this one. Very odd!
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I own this one. Very odd!
We own both cars for that reason (albeit using $$$ out of mortgage equity - usually cheaper money cost than other forms of loan).
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As part of my due diligence on the upgrade. I test drove a new BMW 325i with 160 kw power. It is not as quick and nor does it handle as well as the RX 8 but it feels very comfortable and reasonably quick.
The price on the road comes to $83 000 but due to discounts my repayments only goes up by $125 per month
The attractive part for me is the ability to seat passangers with comfort.
Unfortunately I cannot track the car so I loose out here.
skc
The price on the road comes to $83 000 but due to discounts my repayments only goes up by $125 per month
The attractive part for me is the ability to seat passangers with comfort.
Unfortunately I cannot track the car so I loose out here.
skc
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The attractive part for me is the ability to seat passangers with comfort.
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Off you go - get the new RX-8.. I know that your partner likes the car - don't be miserable for the sake of two teenage daughters...
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Originally Posted by Revolver
Teenage daughters huh? Sure it's the car they don't like...or just having to ride anywhere with their parents?!
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And SKC 325....no.....it's sort of, "close, but no cigar". 330! if you're going to do it.
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I have one daughter who is 14 and a 12yo son.
After all this shopping around the family is happy to stick with the RX 8.
Mike, the 330 would be nice but the budget would be blown out of the water. We are about to launch into building a new family home and I dont think going over budget on a new car would be a good idea especially once you start optioning up on items in the new house the $$$ start mounting up.
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After all this shopping around the family is happy to stick with the RX 8.
Mike, the 330 would be nice but the budget would be blown out of the water. We are about to launch into building a new family home and I dont think going over budget on a new car would be a good idea especially once you start optioning up on items in the new house the $$$ start mounting up.
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Originally Posted by skc
I have one daughter who is 14 and a 12yo son.
After all this shopping around the family is happy to stick with the RX 8.
Mike, the 330 would be nice but the budget would be blown out of the water. We are about to launch into building a new family home and I dont think going over budget on a new car would be a good idea especially once you start optioning up on items in the new house the $$$ start mounting up.
skc
After all this shopping around the family is happy to stick with the RX 8.
Mike, the 330 would be nice but the budget would be blown out of the water. We are about to launch into building a new family home and I dont think going over budget on a new car would be a good idea especially once you start optioning up on items in the new house the $$$ start mounting up.
skc
330 is spensive, my brother had a Ci, great car, stupidly large doors however.
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Good call on the 8 by the way, best of luck with the house. See ya in Oct I guess.
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