Turboing the 8
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Originally Posted by mirkop
honestly guys i would like to know what the reason was for getting caio( dave) banned if it isnt a big secret, i know that he didnt get any warning ( what i have gathered from forum members )also he was accused of posting under 2 differnt names, obviously if he was doing this one of the forum moderators would have an IP address log from both names to see if they match, does any mod have any information like that to suggest the allegations against him were true.
I also realy have no idea who this hymee guy is, or really never met dave only interested in a turbo kit for my rx8, but i can see a lot of competition as towho has the best and most reliable turbo kit, who doesnt caio just get unbanned so we can hear what he has to say about the kit if nothing at least learn about whats available in performance mods for our 8s.
I also realy have no idea who this hymee guy is, or really never met dave only interested in a turbo kit for my rx8, but i can see a lot of competition as towho has the best and most reliable turbo kit, who doesnt caio just get unbanned so we can hear what he has to say about the kit if nothing at least learn about whats available in performance mods for our 8s.
I have some questions for you, if you dont mind:
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
Who are you anyway?
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was i at any point duing my psot pointing fingers at hymee? no, i dont think so.
i'd like to know how some of you came up with that assumption.
i dont go around the corners, i have always said what i wanted to say.
i'd like to know how some of you came up with that assumption.
i dont go around the corners, i have always said what i wanted to say.
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Originally Posted by EZZY
was i at any point duing my psot pointing fingers at hymee? no, i dont think so.
i'd like to know how some of you came up with that assumption.
i dont go around the corners, i have always said what i wanted to say.
i'd like to know how some of you came up with that assumption.
i dont go around the corners, i have always said what i wanted to say.
I can't speak for Hymee, but I assumed you were having a shot at him. Who else were you addressing with the "conflict of interest" comment? You need to make your posts a little clearer.
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Originally Posted by EZZY
what do they say....? assumption is the mother of all f*#kups....
I say again, you need to make your posts a little clearer.
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It's got nothing to do with you. I think he would know better than anyone why he was banned. For your info.....I've never seen anyone get "unbanned".
I have some questions for you, if you dont mind:
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
Who are you anyway?
I have some questions for you, if you dont mind:
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
Who are you anyway?
Originally Posted by Hymee
Be very careful though, Ezzy - Mod Bashing is grounds for being banned.
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back to the topic
seems like we are dawning on promising times with regard to FI. the axial flow thing is getting somewhere hymees SC is making some more progress and mazfix seems to have gone the turbo path. also mazsport in the us is making some excellent progress. I have decided to stick with the car passed warranty so turboing is a distinct possibility now.
seems like we are dawning on promising times with regard to FI. the axial flow thing is getting somewhere hymees SC is making some more progress and mazfix seems to have gone the turbo path. also mazsport in the us is making some excellent progress. I have decided to stick with the car passed warranty so turboing is a distinct possibility now.
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
I have similar questions, so I think mirkop's comments are fine.
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
good to see we live in a totalitarian state where the ruling party is always right.
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
good to see we live in a totalitarian state where the ruling party is always right.
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Gomez
It's got nothing to do with you. I think he would know better than anyone why he was banned. For your info.....I've never seen anyone get "unbanned".
I have some questions for you, if you dont mind: No I DONT MIND
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
ITS NOT ABOUT GIVING A STUFF ABOUT WHY HE WAS BANNED ITS ABOUT HIM HAVING A GREAT KIT IN PRODUCTION AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM ON THIS FORUM TO HELP WITH FORUM MEMBERS ATTEMPTS TO MODIFY THEIR 8'S, ITS HARD ENOUGH FINDING INFORMATION ON THE NET ABOUT TURBOING AN 8 WITHOUT MODS BANNING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT THE EFFORT IN TO CREATE A TURBO KIT THAT WILL SATISFY A LOT OF 8 DRIVERS INCLUDING MYSELF.
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
FOR YOUR INFROMATION I DID ASK DAVE AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT TAKES 2 TO TANGO SO I WONT MIND HEARING THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THATS FAIR DONT YOU?
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM AND EMAILED HIM, I THINK THAT PASSES AS "NEVER REALLY MET HIM" DONT YOU?
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
WELL OBVIOUSLT I KNOW HE DIDNT GET A WARNING BECASUE HE TOLD BE " I DIDINT GET A WARNING" THOSE WERE DAVES WORDS,
Who are you anyway? MY NAME IS MIRKO AND I LIVE IN SYDNEY, I USED TO DRIVE A 800HP GTR R32, NOW I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A RX8 NUGGET WITH NO POWER WHAT SO EVER, AND NEED A TURBO KIT THAT WILL WORK AND IS REALIABLE FOR DAILY DRIVING, I HAVE REACENTLY JOINED RX8CLUB AFTER SEARCHING FOR FORUMS ON GOOGLE ,THIS FORUM CAME UP FIRST, BUT FROM WHAT I SEE EVRYONE SEEMS TO BE LIVING IN A "FAST AND THE FURIOUS WORLD" WHERE THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE SHOP AND THEIR MODS ARE THE BEST, WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST SHARE INFORMATION, BE IT A SUPERCHARGER/ TURBO KIT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FORUM MEMBERS, THATS WHY EVERYONE IS HERE ISNT IT?
HOPE THAT SATISFIES ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, NOW WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ABOUT THE IP LOGGING, ANY UPDATE AS TO WHATS HAPPENING THERE. ADIOS
I have some questions for you, if you dont mind: No I DONT MIND
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
ITS NOT ABOUT GIVING A STUFF ABOUT WHY HE WAS BANNED ITS ABOUT HIM HAVING A GREAT KIT IN PRODUCTION AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM ON THIS FORUM TO HELP WITH FORUM MEMBERS ATTEMPTS TO MODIFY THEIR 8'S, ITS HARD ENOUGH FINDING INFORMATION ON THE NET ABOUT TURBOING AN 8 WITHOUT MODS BANNING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT THE EFFORT IN TO CREATE A TURBO KIT THAT WILL SATISFY A LOT OF 8 DRIVERS INCLUDING MYSELF.
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
FOR YOUR INFROMATION I DID ASK DAVE AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT TAKES 2 TO TANGO SO I WONT MIND HEARING THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THATS FAIR DONT YOU?
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM AND EMAILED HIM, I THINK THAT PASSES AS "NEVER REALLY MET HIM" DONT YOU?
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
WELL OBVIOUSLT I KNOW HE DIDNT GET A WARNING BECASUE HE TOLD BE " I DIDINT GET A WARNING" THOSE WERE DAVES WORDS,
Who are you anyway? MY NAME IS MIRKO AND I LIVE IN SYDNEY, I USED TO DRIVE A 800HP GTR R32, NOW I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A RX8 NUGGET WITH NO POWER WHAT SO EVER, AND NEED A TURBO KIT THAT WILL WORK AND IS REALIABLE FOR DAILY DRIVING, I HAVE REACENTLY JOINED RX8CLUB AFTER SEARCHING FOR FORUMS ON GOOGLE ,THIS FORUM CAME UP FIRST, BUT FROM WHAT I SEE EVRYONE SEEMS TO BE LIVING IN A "FAST AND THE FURIOUS WORLD" WHERE THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE SHOP AND THEIR MODS ARE THE BEST, WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST SHARE INFORMATION, BE IT A SUPERCHARGER/ TURBO KIT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FORUM MEMBERS, THATS WHY EVERYONE IS HERE ISNT IT?
HOPE THAT SATISFIES ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, NOW WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ABOUT THE IP LOGGING, ANY UPDATE AS TO WHATS HAPPENING THERE. ADIOS
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OT: Well, I can't speak for this forum, but on another forum where I am a mod, there is an IP log. That's pretty standard with most forum software and I imagine it is the case here. IP logging is intended to prevent a number of things including the potential for fraud, in the sense that someone might attempt to have 2 different log-ons or impersonate another member.
BTW, Ciao is still a member on the .com.au site, where he is as entitled to post on the same basis as anyone else. As you noted :
The problem is there seems to be a tendency for people who are not principles in FI developments to post a range of thoughts, opinions or just plain crap...to the extent it seems we struggle to have a sensible discussion about FI kits these days. There is one developer who simply refuses to post in these places because of the **** fight that develops. It's a really big pity
BTW, Ciao is still a member on the .com.au site, where he is as entitled to post on the same basis as anyone else. As you noted :
Originally Posted by mirkop
everyone has to read the rules befor posting, many people are very sensative.
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Mirkop,
There is lots and lots of info on here about turbo charger development for the RX-8. Heck - I have posted tons of pics and details about the progress of the development of a supercharger kit.
As for Ciao's kit being released as a kit - well, I have never seen it. And if I posted the opinions told to me by those who have seen it.... No - I can't go there.
Fast and the Furious - hehe, that is a funny analogy! Dads army sometimes, perhaps.
BTW - No need to SHOUT around here.
Cheers,
Hymee.
BTW - "Aidos", is that a bit like "Ciao"???
PS - Since you are in Sydney, you could always drop by RM and check out his experience with Turbo RX-8 mods.
There is lots and lots of info on here about turbo charger development for the RX-8. Heck - I have posted tons of pics and details about the progress of the development of a supercharger kit.
As for Ciao's kit being released as a kit - well, I have never seen it. And if I posted the opinions told to me by those who have seen it.... No - I can't go there.
Fast and the Furious - hehe, that is a funny analogy! Dads army sometimes, perhaps.
BTW - No need to SHOUT around here.
Cheers,
Hymee.
BTW - "Aidos", is that a bit like "Ciao"???
PS - Since you are in Sydney, you could always drop by RM and check out his experience with Turbo RX-8 mods.
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Originally Posted by Hymee
Mirkop,
There is lots and lots of info on here about turbo charger development for the RX-8. Heck - I have posted tons of pics and details about the progress of the development of a supercharger kit.
As for Ciao's kit being released as a kit - well, I have never seen it. And if I posted the opinions told to me by those who have seen it.... No - I can't go there.
please email me with those comments as im genuinly inpterested in hearing about it, as i will be buying a kit be it from rm or dave, same thing to me i just want more power
BTW - No need to SHOUT around here.
didnt mean to shout, just make sure people know what part of the quote i was writing, hence the colour
Cheers,
Hymee.
BTW - "Aidos", is that a bit like "Ciao"???
As a european born aussie, i use the word cao on a daily basis, its just coincidence that daves nickname is caio, so i thoguht i would use adios for now. hope thats ok
PS - Since you are in Sydney, you could always drop by RM and check out his experience with Turbo RX-8 mods.
There is lots and lots of info on here about turbo charger development for the RX-8. Heck - I have posted tons of pics and details about the progress of the development of a supercharger kit.
As for Ciao's kit being released as a kit - well, I have never seen it. And if I posted the opinions told to me by those who have seen it.... No - I can't go there.
please email me with those comments as im genuinly inpterested in hearing about it, as i will be buying a kit be it from rm or dave, same thing to me i just want more power
BTW - No need to SHOUT around here.
didnt mean to shout, just make sure people know what part of the quote i was writing, hence the colour
Cheers,
Hymee.
BTW - "Aidos", is that a bit like "Ciao"???
As a european born aussie, i use the word cao on a daily basis, its just coincidence that daves nickname is caio, so i thoguht i would use adios for now. hope thats ok
PS - Since you are in Sydney, you could always drop by RM and check out his experience with Turbo RX-8 mods.
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First off, I apologise in advance to the thread starter Dan 8, for filling his thread with crud. I didn't lead it off track, but I admit to contributing. I'll make it up to you sometime Dan!! There seems to be a little unfinished business here.........
Thank you for your responses. You'll pardon me if I am a little sceptical of your bona fides. Many others have praised Dave's turbo project....most of them were Dave.
Your enthusiasm for his "great kit" makes me a little suspicious, seeing as you are so new here. As timbo said.....you can read all about the latest developments on the .com.au forum, should Dave wish to post the latest there.
If you want the other side, PM Omicron.....he banned him.
Thanks for the clarification....that is now crystal clear.
You see, this is exactly why I'm suspicious. Earlier on in another post, you said....and I quote, "i know that he didnt get any warning ( what i have gathered from forum members )". Now you're saying Dave told you himself. You don't lie very well.
Now my spider sensors are really tingling. No-one steps out of an 800HP supercar and buys an RX-8......absolutely no-one.
DING DING DING DING........now I know for a fact you aren't for real. If all you wanted was info on turbocharging kits, why would you give a tinkers cuss about the IP log of another forum member??
Dave, is that you in there??!! Or are you one of Dave's Sydney friends, trying it on?
Originally Posted by mirkop
Why do you give a stuff why he was banned?
ITS NOT ABOUT GIVING A STUFF ABOUT WHY HE WAS BANNED ITS ABOUT HIM HAVING A GREAT KIT IN PRODUCTION AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM ON THIS FORUM TO HELP WITH FORUM MEMBERS ATTEMPTS TO MODIFY THEIR 8'S, ITS HARD ENOUGH FINDING INFORMATION ON THE NET ABOUT TURBOING AN 8 WITHOUT MODS BANNING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT THE EFFORT IN TO CREATE A TURBO KIT THAT WILL SATISFY A LOT OF 8 DRIVERS INCLUDING MYSELF......................
ITS NOT ABOUT GIVING A STUFF ABOUT WHY HE WAS BANNED ITS ABOUT HIM HAVING A GREAT KIT IN PRODUCTION AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM ON THIS FORUM TO HELP WITH FORUM MEMBERS ATTEMPTS TO MODIFY THEIR 8'S, ITS HARD ENOUGH FINDING INFORMATION ON THE NET ABOUT TURBOING AN 8 WITHOUT MODS BANNING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT THE EFFORT IN TO CREATE A TURBO KIT THAT WILL SATISFY A LOT OF 8 DRIVERS INCLUDING MYSELF......................
Your enthusiasm for his "great kit" makes me a little suspicious, seeing as you are so new here. As timbo said.....you can read all about the latest developments on the .com.au forum, should Dave wish to post the latest there.
Originally Posted by mirkop
Why don't you ask dave why he was banned? You have his email address.
FOR YOUR INFROMATION I DID ASK DAVE AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT TAKES 2 TO TANGO SO I WONT MIND HEARING THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THATS FAIR DONT YOU?......................
FOR YOUR INFROMATION I DID ASK DAVE AND AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT TAKES 2 TO TANGO SO I WONT MIND HEARING THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THATS FAIR DONT YOU?......................
Originally Posted by mirkop
What do you mean "you never really met dave".
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM AND EMAILED HIM, I THINK THAT PASSES AS "NEVER REALLY MET HIM" DONT YOU?......................
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM AND EMAILED HIM, I THINK THAT PASSES AS "NEVER REALLY MET HIM" DONT YOU?......................
Originally Posted by mirkop
What do you mean "you know he didn't get any warning"?
WELL OBVIOUSLT I KNOW HE DIDNT GET A WARNING BECASUE HE TOLD BE " I DIDINT GET A WARNING" THOSE WERE DAVES WORDS, ......................
WELL OBVIOUSLT I KNOW HE DIDNT GET A WARNING BECASUE HE TOLD BE " I DIDINT GET A WARNING" THOSE WERE DAVES WORDS, ......................
Originally Posted by mirkop
Who are you anyway? MY NAME IS MIRKO AND I LIVE IN SYDNEY, I USED TO DRIVE A 800HP GTR R32, NOW I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A RX8 NUGGET WITH NO POWER WHAT SO EVER, AND NEED A TURBO KIT THAT WILL WORK AND IS REALIABLE FOR DAILY DRIVING, I HAVE REACENTLY JOINED RX8CLUB AFTER SEARCHING FOR FORUMS ON GOOGLE ,THIS FORUM CAME UP FIRST, BUT FROM WHAT I SEE EVRYONE SEEMS TO BE LIVING IN A "FAST AND THE FURIOUS WORLD" WHERE THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE SHOP AND THEIR MODS ARE THE BEST, WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST SHARE INFORMATION, BE IT A SUPERCHARGER/ TURBO KIT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FORUM MEMBERS, THATS WHY EVERYONE IS HERE ISNT IT?......................
Originally Posted by mirkop
HOPE THAT SATISFIES ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, NOW WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ABOUT THE IP LOGGING, ANY UPDATE AS TO WHATS HAPPENING THERE. ADIOS......................
Dave, is that you in there??!! Or are you one of Dave's Sydney friends, trying it on?
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First off, I apologise in advance to the thread starter Dan 8, for filling his thread with crud. I didn't lead it off track, but I admit to contributing. I'll make it up to you sometime Dan!! There seems to be a little unfinished business here.........
Thank you for your responses. You'll pardon me if I am a little sceptical of your bona fides. Many others have praised Dave's turbo project....most of them were Dave.
Your enthusiasm for his "great kit" makes me a little suspicious, seeing as you are so new here. As timbo said.....you can read all about the latest developments on the .com.au forum, should Dave wish to post the latest there.
If you want the other side, PM Omicron.....he banned him.
Thanks for the clarification....that is now crystal clear.
You see, this is exactly why I'm suspicious. Earlier on in another post, you said....and I quote, "i know that he didnt get any warning ( what i have gathered from forum members )". Now you're saying Dave told you himself. You don't lie very well.
firstly i have been messageing with forum members and also dave, what they have told me is the same thing dave has told me. nothing suspicious about asking questions
Now my spider sensors are really tingling. No-one steps out of an 800HP supercar and buys an RX-8......absolutely no-one.
Please dont get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion, but honestly i dont think you know how common high power gtrs are, ive been building cars since i was 15, my gtr wasnt one of a kind at all, after so many years of driving the same car anyone and everyone would get sick of the constant costs of tuning, racing, tires, fuel costs, dyno, petrol smells, fixing problems, and being that most r32gtrs are about15 years old they tend to get a little worn out. if you know what i mean.
but if i must explain myself, My wife loves the rx8 so i bought her one to drive to work every day, after i sold my gtr i decided to give the 8 a little boost, its actually got nothing to do with selling a super car and stepping into a rx8, personally i wouldnt **** on a rx8 if it was on fire, but what can i do when its sitting in the garage with 2 rotors that cant spin if they were on fire
DING DING DING DING........now I know for a fact you aren't for real. If all you wanted was info on turbocharging kits, why would you give a tinkers cuss about the IP log of another forum member??
I dont really care i just wanted to see what answer i would get, but i havnt got one yet.
Dave, is that you in there??!! Or are you one of Dave's Sydney friends, trying it on?
Thank you for your responses. You'll pardon me if I am a little sceptical of your bona fides. Many others have praised Dave's turbo project....most of them were Dave.
Your enthusiasm for his "great kit" makes me a little suspicious, seeing as you are so new here. As timbo said.....you can read all about the latest developments on the .com.au forum, should Dave wish to post the latest there.
If you want the other side, PM Omicron.....he banned him.
Thanks for the clarification....that is now crystal clear.
You see, this is exactly why I'm suspicious. Earlier on in another post, you said....and I quote, "i know that he didnt get any warning ( what i have gathered from forum members )". Now you're saying Dave told you himself. You don't lie very well.
firstly i have been messageing with forum members and also dave, what they have told me is the same thing dave has told me. nothing suspicious about asking questions
Now my spider sensors are really tingling. No-one steps out of an 800HP supercar and buys an RX-8......absolutely no-one.
Please dont get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion, but honestly i dont think you know how common high power gtrs are, ive been building cars since i was 15, my gtr wasnt one of a kind at all, after so many years of driving the same car anyone and everyone would get sick of the constant costs of tuning, racing, tires, fuel costs, dyno, petrol smells, fixing problems, and being that most r32gtrs are about15 years old they tend to get a little worn out. if you know what i mean.
but if i must explain myself, My wife loves the rx8 so i bought her one to drive to work every day, after i sold my gtr i decided to give the 8 a little boost, its actually got nothing to do with selling a super car and stepping into a rx8, personally i wouldnt **** on a rx8 if it was on fire, but what can i do when its sitting in the garage with 2 rotors that cant spin if they were on fire
DING DING DING DING........now I know for a fact you aren't for real. If all you wanted was info on turbocharging kits, why would you give a tinkers cuss about the IP log of another forum member??
I dont really care i just wanted to see what answer i would get, but i havnt got one yet.
Dave, is that you in there??!! Or are you one of Dave's Sydney friends, trying it on?
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Originally Posted by mirkop
MY NAME IS MIRKO AND I LIVE IN SYDNEY, I USED TO DRIVE A 800HP GTR R32, NOW I SOLD IT AND BOUGHT A RX8 NUGGET WITH NO POWER WHAT SO EVER, AND NEED A TURBO KIT THAT WILL WORK AND IS REALIABLE FOR DAILY DRIVING, I HAVE REACENTLY JOINED RX8CLUB AFTER SEARCHING FOR FORUMS ON GOOGLE ,THIS FORUM CAME UP FIRST, BUT FROM WHAT I SEE EVRYONE SEEMS TO BE LIVING IN A "FAST AND THE FURIOUS WORLD" WHERE THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE SHOP AND THEIR MODS ARE THE BEST, WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST SHARE INFORMATION, BE IT A SUPERCHARGER/ TURBO KIT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FORUM MEMBERS, THATS WHY EVERYONE IS HERE ISNT IT?
lol loved that part welcome to the forum
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I've had a gutful of all this crap.
You smell a 'conspiracy' - big bloody deal. You've been told who to speak to (to get both sides of the banned story). You've even been told where to find Ciao on the other Aussie RX8 forum.
Continuing this debate (especially in a public thread) is pointless and, as Timbo has said, all these shitfights deter commercial sellers of the very thing you are interested in from posting INFORMATION as opposed to opinions.
If you really want to accquire information on FI kits for the 8, I'd respectfully suggest you stop dredging up old arguments and concentrate on the kits themselves (in the various places where info can be gained).
You smell a 'conspiracy' - big bloody deal. You've been told who to speak to (to get both sides of the banned story). You've even been told where to find Ciao on the other Aussie RX8 forum.
Continuing this debate (especially in a public thread) is pointless and, as Timbo has said, all these shitfights deter commercial sellers of the very thing you are interested in from posting INFORMATION as opposed to opinions.
If you really want to accquire information on FI kits for the 8, I'd respectfully suggest you stop dredging up old arguments and concentrate on the kits themselves (in the various places where info can be gained).