Turboing the 8
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You seen the latest Best Motoring Video - American Touge 2????
The Greddy turbo tuned with e Manage was able to run 3 runs in the dessert
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Hey I think the 8 is good to run under 20 degree air temp.... since I did not have heat problem at all yesterday
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You seen the latest Best Motoring Video - American Touge 2????
The Greddy turbo tuned with e Manage was able to run 3 runs in the dessert
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Hey I think the 8 is good to run under 20 degree air temp.... since I did not have heat problem at all yesterday
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Originally Posted by mirkop
been there done that, the super charger was ok but didnt over impress me, what i realy want is turbo and wastgate, sorry just personaly preference,
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First, Mazda has built at least three prototypes. At this stage there is no intention to go further with this, but if you want to speak to someone with pretty good knowledge about this kit, call Jon Waterhouse at Reliance in Canberra.
You could also speak to Joe Signorelli at Rotor Master, as his first RX-8 upgrade back in '04 was based on a t/c. He's since rejected that (might be worthwhile asking him why
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Or you can buy a GReddy kit and fit it yourself -- there's probably people around who can do the tuning for you but in any case there's lots of stuff on the GReddy elsewhere in this forum.
Finally, we all know -- and I'm sure you do too -- that Ciao started building his "kit" because he didn't like the GReddy, which another member at the time acquired for him (he's probably still got it if you want a cheapie
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I understand another rotor workshop in Brisbane has also done some t/c work but can't recall who -- maybe another member can help.
And that's about the sum of it.
As to "conspiracy" -- sorry, that's
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#78
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Ciao did not like the GReddy kit because it is a small turbo and will never get the power he wants.
I don't think I need that much power - seeing what the car can do with a small turbo.
This is my way of tuning.
Looking at wat the US is doing with Gready. I will tune it with other management system
All exciting - and a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$ involve
I don't think I need that much power - seeing what the car can do with a small turbo.
This is my way of tuning.
Looking at wat the US is doing with Gready. I will tune it with other management system
All exciting - and a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$ involve
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What I have in mind???
In that sequence before the tubro
AP caliper
P Mu brakes and rotors
New wheels 8.5" and new slicks (*I am trying Yoko this time)
Larger radiator
Some fake front bumper to increase air flow (very rice I know). I am looking at the FEED one.
FEED intake (sealed in OEM box) - since I am planning this for future FI.... :p
FEED extractor. Keep the Cat until it melts - Re place/upgrade if necessary.
Retune the car with Microtech or Motec.
By that time I will want better suspension.... I will need a Tein Super Racing or something like the Quantum spec.
Wait someone in US bust their engine with GReddy (does not look like so)
Put GReddy in with only low boost. I am looking at only 6psi with usable high rpm boost and only aiming at a useful 170kW at the wheel. Reliable power
Also by that time it would have done 50-60K km (and about 5-6 year old)... so it is time to crack the engine open and repolish it. Hopefully stronger seal will be made for FI and development are clearer....
Then I am good for a real track car.
Hopefully by that time I am earning enough money to drive a Porsche to work
In that sequence before the tubro
AP caliper
P Mu brakes and rotors
New wheels 8.5" and new slicks (*I am trying Yoko this time)
Larger radiator
Some fake front bumper to increase air flow (very rice I know). I am looking at the FEED one.
FEED intake (sealed in OEM box) - since I am planning this for future FI.... :p
FEED extractor. Keep the Cat until it melts - Re place/upgrade if necessary.
Retune the car with Microtech or Motec.
By that time I will want better suspension.... I will need a Tein Super Racing or something like the Quantum spec.
Wait someone in US bust their engine with GReddy (does not look like so)
Put GReddy in with only low boost. I am looking at only 6psi with usable high rpm boost and only aiming at a useful 170kW at the wheel. Reliable power
Also by that time it would have done 50-60K km (and about 5-6 year old)... so it is time to crack the engine open and repolish it. Hopefully stronger seal will be made for FI and development are clearer....
Then I am good for a real track car.
Hopefully by that time I am earning enough money to drive a Porsche to work
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#81
Wow!
Didnt realise that this simple question of mine would start a war
With the reading that ive done and the research i have made , I am currently leaning towards the Turbo charge route .I have seen all the FI ,including Ciaos videos and I am very impressed.
The best part about Ciaos it is the fact that all is hidden from view and the system is reversable .The two stage power setting is also a great idea if i want my son to drive at some stage
Daniel
Didnt realise that this simple question of mine would start a war
With the reading that ive done and the research i have made , I am currently leaning towards the Turbo charge route .I have seen all the FI ,including Ciaos videos and I am very impressed.
The best part about Ciaos it is the fact that all is hidden from view and the system is reversable .The two stage power setting is also a great idea if i want my son to drive at some stage
Daniel
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All sounds very interesting.
Have you decided what kind of 8.5 rims you're going to get?
What does the FEED front air dam look like? Any piccies?
Have you checked out this MazFix (do I have that right?) turbo car? Might be another option instead of theGReddy kit.
You mention waiting for a US car to blow it's engine. Is that because you want to see how reliable it is long term or it's a way of getting the kit cheaper?
I agree with your thoughts re: lesser, reliable power. The drivetrain and chassis was obviously only engineered to accept so much power and torque. Makes sense that if you try to get too much out of it you're going to have things breaking on you.
I think the aftermarket industry will have you stuffed and mounted (or clone you).
j/k
Have you decided what kind of 8.5 rims you're going to get?
What does the FEED front air dam look like? Any piccies?
Have you checked out this MazFix (do I have that right?) turbo car? Might be another option instead of theGReddy kit.
You mention waiting for a US car to blow it's engine. Is that because you want to see how reliable it is long term or it's a way of getting the kit cheaper?
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I agree with your thoughts re: lesser, reliable power. The drivetrain and chassis was obviously only engineered to accept so much power and torque. Makes sense that if you try to get too much out of it you're going to have things breaking on you.
I think the aftermarket industry will have you stuffed and mounted (or clone you).
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Originally Posted by Dan 8
Wow!
Didnt realise that this simple question of mine would start a war
With the reading that ive done and the research i have made , I am currently leaning towards the Turbo charge route .I have seen all the FI ,including Ciaos videos and I am very impressed.
The best part about Ciaos it is the fact that all is hidden from view and the system is reversable .The two stage power setting is also a great idea if i want my son to drive at some stage
Daniel
Didnt realise that this simple question of mine would start a war
With the reading that ive done and the research i have made , I am currently leaning towards the Turbo charge route .I have seen all the FI ,including Ciaos videos and I am very impressed.
The best part about Ciaos it is the fact that all is hidden from view and the system is reversable .The two stage power setting is also a great idea if i want my son to drive at some stage
Daniel
Let us know what you end up getting and what you think of it. Some dyno figures would also be good if you're prepared to share such info.
#84
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Originally Posted by Revolver
All sounds very interesting.
Have you decided what kind of 8.5 rims you're going to get?
What does the FEED front air dam look like? Any piccies?
Have you checked out this MazFix (do I have that right?) turbo car? Might be another option instead of theGReddy kit.
You mention waiting for a US car to blow it's engine. Is that because you want to see how reliable it is long term or it's a way of getting the kit cheaper?
I agree with your thoughts re: lesser, reliable power. The drivetrain and chassis was obviously only engineered to accept so much power and torque. Makes sense that if you try to get too much out of it you're going to have things breaking on you.
I think the aftermarket industry will have you stuffed and mounted (or clone you).
j/k
Have you decided what kind of 8.5 rims you're going to get?
What does the FEED front air dam look like? Any piccies?
Have you checked out this MazFix (do I have that right?) turbo car? Might be another option instead of theGReddy kit.
You mention waiting for a US car to blow it's engine. Is that because you want to see how reliable it is long term or it's a way of getting the kit cheaper?
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I agree with your thoughts re: lesser, reliable power. The drivetrain and chassis was obviously only engineered to accept so much power and torque. Makes sense that if you try to get too much out of it you're going to have things breaking on you.
I think the aftermarket industry will have you stuffed and mounted (or clone you).
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FEED is just an intake - I will use my Odula RAM with it. www.fujita-eng.com
No point looking elsewhere. They are not coming to tune your car at Sandown isn't it? Pointless looking overseas. Not even Syd or Birs for that matter. Not for a foreign kit even.
US people = big on boost. I am more on the low boost. I hope they found out soon for the rotor seals replacement parts though.
No. RX8 chassis CAN TAKE a 530hp 13B-REW (JIC race car). It can take anything! It is a more advance chassis you have got under your bump than the RX-7 mate
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I am not as hardcore as most people in the world. I just love track business. Developing my skill on set up is still a priority
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Originally Posted by takahashi
FEED is just an intake - I will use my Odula RAM with it. www.fujita-eng.com
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No point looking elsewhere. They are not coming to tune your car at Sandown isn't it? Pointless looking overseas. Not even Syd or Birs for that matter. Not for a foreign kit even.
Originally Posted by takahashi
No. RX8 chassis CAN TAKE a 530hp 13B-REW (JIC race car). It can take anything! It is a more advance chassis you have got under your bump than the RX-7 mate
I want low boost since I don't need to overhaul it every 10000km or 10 track days ![Lol](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)
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And we've already heard of at least one blown gearbox.
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Why t/c rather than s/c, taka?
I am mindful that some quite smart people started off with the t/c but after examining the Renesis, have shifted to s/c as the FI mode of choice. I note your comments re low boost, but even so there will still be lag and heat effects with a t/c that may be minimised with a s/c
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I am mindful that some quite smart people started off with the t/c but after examining the Renesis, have shifted to s/c as the FI mode of choice. I note your comments re low boost, but even so there will still be lag and heat effects with a t/c that may be minimised with a s/c
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Call me a JDM sucker...
There is a local person to tune my GReddy turbo Dave.
There are people doing Twin Screw in Japan.
As I repeatedly saying ... it does not matter t/c or s/c, as long as it is low boost, it is ok.
I don't care lag - as I drive on a 40kmh road to work (if I ever drive) and if there is no lag above 5000rpm (gasp!). It should be ok.
I just want a touch more power - not heaps of power that other smart people is aiming to achieve.
Anywhere near the stock power of 350Z is more than enough for me.
There is a local person to tune my GReddy turbo Dave.
There are people doing Twin Screw in Japan.
As I repeatedly saying ... it does not matter t/c or s/c, as long as it is low boost, it is ok.
I don't care lag - as I drive on a 40kmh road to work (if I ever drive) and if there is no lag above 5000rpm (gasp!). It should be ok.
I just want a touch more power - not heaps of power that other smart people is aiming to achieve.
Anywhere near the stock power of 350Z is more than enough for me.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
Wait someone in US bust their engine with GReddy (does not look like so)
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Originally Posted by takahashi
I also stress that DO NOT think FI until you have other mods.
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Thanks Dave I remember to put the flywheel and clutch in the list - EXEDY it is
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Something EVERY RX8 owner would agree with. ![Mdrmed](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/mdrmed.gif)
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This tell you set up (ie Tyre pressure and damper rate adj) is very important
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Why t/c rather than s/c, taka?
I am mindful that some quite smart people started off with the t/c but after examining the Renesis, have shifted to s/c as the FI mode of choice. I note your comments re low boost, but even so there will still be lag and heat effects with a t/c that may be minimised with a s/c
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I am mindful that some quite smart people started off with the t/c but after examining the Renesis, have shifted to s/c as the FI mode of choice. I note your comments re low boost, but even so there will still be lag and heat effects with a t/c that may be minimised with a s/c
as taka realises lag isn't such a big deal once your moving. people with the greddy kit state that it is trying to boost when cruising (3-4k rpm). why do you need boost below this? only drag racing will benefit and then your risking the gearbox.
SC are inefficient and heat the air. a correctly chosen turbo will be more efficient. the axialflow unit might be the solution. have you noticed hymee's comments how the SC produces boost from idle and that his expensive motec is the answer in controlling the unstable ignition at low rpm. sounds risky to me but I'm confident he has the know-how behind him to get it right.
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Originally Posted by takahashi
A well balanced RX-8 kept up with the 350Z on suspension and slicks yesterday...
This tell you set up (ie Tyre pressure and damper rate adj) is very important
This tell you set up (ie Tyre pressure and damper rate adj) is very important
I'd also suggest driver skill and experience is more important again.