Two turbo Kit choices or 1 ???
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Two turbo Kit choices or 1 ???
Hi guys , as I have a kit that may be offered for production , I had a couople of questions
An affordable option that bolts up to the stock exhaust running medium boost
AND
The current design which has a custom tuned exhaust with a low and high boost option
Here's the link https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=1#post1096801
Comments appreciated
Thanx heaps
Dave
An affordable option that bolts up to the stock exhaust running medium boost
AND
The current design which has a custom tuned exhaust with a low and high boost option
Here's the link https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=1#post1096801
Comments appreciated
Thanx heaps
Dave
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Well, I think it depends wat target market you are aiming for. Having two production lines does give customers a more variety of turbos, so say if you decide to have only the 1, but then the customer would prefer the 1 u dont have.. they will go elsewhere. I think before you consider carrying both designs, (am not sure how you plan on selling ie: you get the order then you go buy the materials, or package the two types and keep them in stock?), so you would have to consider how you will be selling them, work out the costs involved (benefits vs costs, it may not be worth having two kits if 1 will be way more popular then the other).
So, I guess a lot of research into what people want and compare it what is already available out for sale and consider the costs involved.
So, I guess a lot of research into what people want and compare it what is already available out for sale and consider the costs involved.
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I reckon you should go with one that can bolt up to the std exhaust. people that already have an expensive cat back wont like having to scrap some of it.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
I reckon you should go with one that can bolt up to the std exhaust. people that already have an expensive cat back wont like having to scrap some of it.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
having previously done a similar thing in a piston engined mazda, i'd suggest to at least offer 1 x full exhaust-less/stage 1 package, which should inc. turbo/manifold, intercooler, pipings, ecu/wiring and all accessories required. trust me, it is often more difficult and huge pain in the backside to find a matching intercooler, pipings and ecu for the setup, also, how can the supplier offer a warranty if you have opted to go for a different ecu and intercooler setup. remember, everything must go hand in hand.... right ciao?
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however, at the end of the day, it doesnt matter whether you have a factory exhaust/hymee/HKS/milo can setup... once the turbo kit is bolted on, a dyno tune is a must to make sure there are no vacumm/boost leak, and have a quick tune of the ecu to make sure of the air flow/air-fuel ratio/boost, etc....
and if ciao have time, then a stage 2 package would be a good idea. there are must be ppl like me NEEDING boost fix asap, and once you have experienced the FI'd cars, you WONT be happy with one setting... (i have started with 7psi, went onto 12psi, then upto 17psi until i blew the gearbox, 3rd gear and so on) the feeling of getting pushed back in the seat is AWESOME, and you will NEVER get enough of it, hence the tunability of the ECU with multi boost stage is a must for me
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therefore, larger injectors, fuel pump maybe required for this stage 2 setup.
another thing is.... how can you be sure that this will be a reliable setup, and produce the results quoted. rotormaster have done so with turbo, didnt like it, so went with the supercharger option.... and so far so good (except for the price)
hymee on the other hand is getting his setup ready, so without getting my fingers out, you have 3 other competitions in the australian market.... and last time i heard, there are at least other 2 rotary shops R&D'ing FI setups.....
competition is a good thing, keeps everyone honest and the consumer will benefit at the end of the day.... im all for australian made/locally produced items, so when i go FI, i will go with one of the aussie made packages..... unless i marry the daughter of either mr. HKS/mr. Greddy/mr. RE etc
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Originally Posted by rotarenvy
I reckon you should go with one that can bolt up to the std exhaust. people that already have an expensive cat back wont like having to scrap some of it.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
you should consider selling just manifolds and turbos, so people can use whatever engine management, exhaust and intercooler they want.
The bolt on stock exhaust is a must do ..Ive already had a couple of enquiries on suppling a kit as such ..
The beauty of my kit is that most parts will be interchangable / upgradable to the stage 2 kit ..the transition is painless .
My car ,the stage 2 will be on offer for those who must have sideways action ...
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In terms of splitting up the kit ....I see further tuning issues as I have personally spent thousand of $$$$ developing the right combination ..Using my entire kit would be so much more cost effective for people.....tuning can cost more than the parts .... much more
Ive done the expensive bit ,,all you need to do is leave your car with me for a few days
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If I get a group buy ,,Say 5 STg1 kits ,the price can come down even more !!
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Originally Posted by EZZY
and if ciao have time, then a stage 2 package would be a good idea. there are must be ppl like me NEEDING boost fix asap, and once you have experienced the FI'd cars, you WONT be happy with one setting... (i have started with 7psi, went onto 12psi, then upto 17psi until i blew the gearbox, 3rd gear and so on) the feeling of getting pushed back in the seat is AWESOME, and you will NEVER get enough of it, hence the tunability of the ECU with multi boost stage is a must for me
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BTW. we are runnung slightly over 12 psi on STg 2 ..
Originally Posted by EZZY
the feeling of getting pushed back in the seat is AWESOME, and you will NEVER get enough of it, hence the tunability of the ECU with multi boost stage is a must for me
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Originally Posted by EZZY
im all for australian made/locally produced items, so when i go FI, i will go with one of the aussie made packages.....
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It's on my custom turbo thread https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&page=12&pp=15
http://www.ezzy-style.com.au/esmpix/ciaorx8191005.3gp
It still brings the biggest smile on my face every time I play it
Quick time player BTW,
Enjoy
Dave
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It still brings the biggest smile on my face every time I play it
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Originally Posted by MissRx8
Is dat u dancing?
Hey I saw the vid..... Damn
You should do a vid and dragging a stock 8. So we can properly see how quick the turbo 1 goes.
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Hey I saw the vid..... Damn
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You should do a vid and dragging a stock 8. So we can properly see how quick the turbo 1 goes.
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Dragged a Titanium 8 yesterday ...We spoke out the front of GC mazda and showed him my kit ...He wanted to see the diff in power too . So we went on the highway ,,,and dragged to the state limit
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By the time I was out of first , I had two and a half car lengths..second , about five six maybe ,,third oops we are already at highway speeds
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The power of this kit is almost double the stocks ..My initial dyno was 172 RWHP
and now we have somewhere in the vicinity of 300 RWHP Not bad
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As I stated earlier ..I dragged off a V8 chrysler with nearly 450 hp at the treads
This car is a weapon ,, when you guys are up here ..take her for a spin
STg 1 wont this nuts ,we are aimimg for 250 ish RWHP
Ciao
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Originally Posted by Ciao
This car is a weapon ,, when you guys are up here ..take her for a spin
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Basic ball park figures
I can tell you it'll be less than $10k for stage 2 and around $5-6k for stage 1
Ciao
Dave
I can tell you it'll be less than $10k for stage 2 and around $5-6k for stage 1
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I think the kit options sounds great.Another thing I belive would be good if possible would be to have the option of a stock factory setting.So the vehicle would be able to be driven by the unexperienced.The car in standard form goes great anyway,so if the young brother or sister (any novice)wants to drive your car (and they have just recived there licence)they wont wrap the car round a pole.I know someone who totally smashed his Rx8 within 3 houres of owning it.He drove down a series of undulating streets (they call it the rollercoaster)and showing off to his mate
got air borne totally clearing gutters and trees and ended up hitting the front wall
of a house.Apparently the dealership put on too much tyre shine VERRY BELIVABLE
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Originally Posted by sprootz
I think the kit options sounds great.Another thing I belive would be good if possible would be to have the option of a stock factory setting.So the vehicle would be able to be driven by the unexperienced.The car in standard form goes great anyway,so if the young brother or sister (any novice)wants to drive your car (and they have just recived there licence)they wont wrap the car round a pole.
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Stage 2 has the best of both worlds , you may have to hide the high/low boost switch from your inexperienced friends / family
Stage 1 has a more conservative boost setting but uses the same T/charger as stg2 ( for upgrade purposes )
My software will do all of this .
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[QUOTE=EZZY]this is when you need a top of a range ECU to be able to do that, as well as the best tuner you can find.
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My software will enable all of these parameters .My kit will not need to be dyno 'd so tuning is not necessary .saving you more money
Dyno time is $250.00 per hour ...I know ..Ive spent thousands on the Dyno ..It hurts
Maps will be preset in the kits accordingly ,and can be ,at the owners risk manipulated by them ,just by downloading the sofware / maps on my websie ( getting biult as we speak )
Ciao
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My software will enable all of these parameters .My kit will not need to be dyno 'd so tuning is not necessary .saving you more money
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Maps will be preset in the kits accordingly ,and can be ,at the owners risk manipulated by them ,just by downloading the sofware / maps on my websie ( getting biult as we speak )
Ciao
Dave
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Ciao, just curious - have you had any over heating problems? with low or high boost?
I noticed at the NATS (even thow they were s/c i think) most FI cars besides hymee's couldnt last the day.
To me thats not practical
thanks
Adrian
I noticed at the NATS (even thow they were s/c i think) most FI cars besides hymee's couldnt last the day.
To me thats not practical
thanks
Adrian
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Originally Posted by EZZY
this is when you need a top of a range ECU to be able to do that, as well as the best tuner you can find.
sprootz, where are you from...?
sprootz, where are you from...?