Warning: P platers driving RX-8
10-11-2004 | 07:17 AM
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Warning: P platers driving RX-8
Since there is a fatal accident involving a Twin turbo Skyline driven by an 18 y.o. last week, I heard an inside rumour (sh.....) from the Coroners court that there will be look into law to increase penality (hence, a Police blitz) on high power car driven by P platers.
Law have been up since I was a learner. SO IT IS NOTHING new! My dad was going to buy me a 911RS for my 18th birthday, but I said wait until I am 40:p
Here is the statement from Vicroads and links to the cars that P platers cannot drive - yes RX-8 is in the list.
Link: Link to the pdf file of a list that the P platers cannot drive
Law have been up since I was a learner. SO IT IS NOTHING new! My dad was going to buy me a 911RS for my 18th birthday, but I said wait until I am 40:p
Here is the statement from Vicroads and links to the cars that P platers cannot drive - yes RX-8 is in the list.
Originally Posted by Vicroad website
Probationary driver licence holders must not drive high powered vehicles. A high powered vehicle is any vehicle with a power to weight ratio over 125 kw per tonne, or with an engine capacity to weight ratio over 3.5 litres per tonne.
Capacity to weight ratio is the capacity in litres divided by the weight in tonnes. Power to weight ratio is the power in kw divided by the weight in tonnes. In doing calculations, weight is specified in tonnes (1000kg = 1 tonne); capacity is specified in litres (1000ml = 1 litre); power is specified in kilowatts (kw) and is as measured at the engine flywheel.
The weight of a vehicle is the unladen mass specified by the manufacturer for the stock-standard vehicle (without options). Since 1988, this weight is specified on vehicle data sheets, as published by the Commonwealth Department of Transport and Regional Services. Vehicle manufacturers provide the information used to prepare the data sheets.
The file attached below contains a guide to vehicles that are classed as high powered motor vehicles. The Guide only covers standard vehicles that have been made in Australia, or imported in bulk, since 1970. It does not include all high powered motor vehicles. If you are concerned that a model not included may be a high powered motor vehicle, then you may be able to get engine power and vehicle weight information from the manufacturer.
If your car is modified, you may also need to obtain an engineer's certificate and do your own calculations. You are also required to notify VicRoads of any significant modification. Penalties for not doing so are severe.
If you are a probationary licence holder, it is your responsibility to make sure any vehicle that you drive is not a high powered motor vehicle. The penalties for driving a high powered motor vehicle include a heavy fine, and may result in licence suspension.
Capacity to weight ratio is the capacity in litres divided by the weight in tonnes. Power to weight ratio is the power in kw divided by the weight in tonnes. In doing calculations, weight is specified in tonnes (1000kg = 1 tonne); capacity is specified in litres (1000ml = 1 litre); power is specified in kilowatts (kw) and is as measured at the engine flywheel.
The weight of a vehicle is the unladen mass specified by the manufacturer for the stock-standard vehicle (without options). Since 1988, this weight is specified on vehicle data sheets, as published by the Commonwealth Department of Transport and Regional Services. Vehicle manufacturers provide the information used to prepare the data sheets.
The file attached below contains a guide to vehicles that are classed as high powered motor vehicles. The Guide only covers standard vehicles that have been made in Australia, or imported in bulk, since 1970. It does not include all high powered motor vehicles. If you are concerned that a model not included may be a high powered motor vehicle, then you may be able to get engine power and vehicle weight information from the manufacturer.
If your car is modified, you may also need to obtain an engineer's certificate and do your own calculations. You are also required to notify VicRoads of any significant modification. Penalties for not doing so are severe.
If you are a probationary licence holder, it is your responsibility to make sure any vehicle that you drive is not a high powered motor vehicle. The penalties for driving a high powered motor vehicle include a heavy fine, and may result in licence suspension.
10-11-2004 | 07:19 AM
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My feeling on this...
There are fines and warning but no dermit points on it. So Stevie Bracks will get the police to go out there and collect your money :o
Solutions?
Stay low keys. The police are not easily spot your car being high power. I don't think they will have the list nor calculator in their police cars.
If highly mod your car and being cocky on the street, doing donuts, then you are aimed to receive unwanted attention from the man in blue.
So guys who are P platers..... just be careful ok?!
There are fines and warning but no dermit points on it. So Stevie Bracks will get the police to go out there and collect your money :o
Solutions?
Stay low keys. The police are not easily spot your car being high power. I don't think they will have the list nor calculator in their police cars.If highly mod your car and being cocky on the street, doing donuts, then you are aimed to receive unwanted attention from the man in blue.
So guys who are P platers..... just be careful ok?!
Last edited by takahashi; 10-11-2004 at 07:43 AM. Reason: proof read
10-11-2004 | 08:01 AM
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I shivered until I saw VicRoads.
Its not implemented on sydney/NSW would anyone know?
Or are they planning on that curfew thingo?
18 was either the best thing or the worst thing thats ever happened to me or any other 18 year old.
Its not implemented on sydney/NSW would anyone know?
Or are they planning on that curfew thingo?
18 was either the best thing or the worst thing thats ever happened to me or any other 18 year old.
10-11-2004 | 08:08 AM
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This is interesting, what happens if P-platers simply don't display the plates on their car?
Will it get to the point when police will pull over all drivers of "high power cars" to check their licenses?
Will this result in the government instigating a power limit on all cars sold in Australia?
When will this ever end?
I say, go back to grass roots level and introduce new measures PRIOR to them obtaining licenses to educate and train the young drivers before they hit public roads.
If they are stupid and dumb enough to test the limits of their hi-po cars on the road, then so be it and let them suffer the consequences.
Will it get to the point when police will pull over all drivers of "high power cars" to check their licenses?
Will this result in the government instigating a power limit on all cars sold in Australia?
When will this ever end?
I say, go back to grass roots level and introduce new measures PRIOR to them obtaining licenses to educate and train the young drivers before they hit public roads.
If they are stupid and dumb enough to test the limits of their hi-po cars on the road, then so be it and let them suffer the consequences.
10-11-2004 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by nojooc
This is interesting, what happens if P-platers simply don't display the plates on their car?
Will it get to the point when police will pull over all drivers of "high power cars" to check their licenses?
Will this result in the government instigating a power limit on all cars sold in Australia?
When will this ever end?
I say, go back to grass roots level and introduce new measures PRIOR to them obtaining licenses to educate and train the young drivers before they hit public roads.
If they are stupid and dumb enough to test the limits of their hi-po cars on the road, then so be it and let them suffer the consequences.
Will it get to the point when police will pull over all drivers of "high power cars" to check their licenses?
Will this result in the government instigating a power limit on all cars sold in Australia?
When will this ever end?
I say, go back to grass roots level and introduce new measures PRIOR to them obtaining licenses to educate and train the young drivers before they hit public roads.
If they are stupid and dumb enough to test the limits of their hi-po cars on the road, then so be it and let them suffer the consequences.
Not displaying P plate, if you get caught, is a BIG NO NO in Victoria. Big fine, dermit points and increase your P period.
It might pull a lot of young asian like you nojooc j/k
Don't think so. RACV will be on their back. Porsche club will be out of business. Tell the F1 not to come coz they are promoting high power car :o
Dunno
The transport minister from Liberal (or was that John Anderson) said they will introduce mandiatory drive program for young driver B4 getting Ps... anyone want to buy Murcott's share? I will gather money to buy out the company :p
I totally agree with your last point
10-11-2004 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by takahashi
It might pull a lot of young asian like you nojooc j/k
Taka,
I'm well passed my P-plates.
But yes, I did used to drive around without P-plates, 'cause they just ruined the look of my "fully sick" riced EK Civic.
I got caught once and loss 3 points along with a $67 fine.
It just meant I would have to drive (with P-plates on) on 1 point for the remainder of my probationary period.
Guess they aren't as tough up here in NSW as in Vic.
10-11-2004 | 08:47 AM
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for sure.... there are "guidelines" in automobile industry about advertising. I am sure MazdaSpeed will not called MazdaSpeed in Australia. Mazda "excite" ? - the term they use in the motor show?
I just browse the RTA site. Does not seem that power restriction apply to NSW? Anyone confirm.... ? I am certain about VIC though, as seen even in my rego renew notice :o
I just browse the RTA site. Does not seem that power restriction apply to NSW? Anyone confirm.... ? I am certain about VIC though, as seen even in my rego renew notice :o
10-11-2004 | 09:23 AM
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i think the police don't even know what can P plate drive or not.
i have a friend is driving S2000 and a RX8
one dirve SLK 230 with supercharge.
but nothing till now.
so i don't think they know. also a friend driving X5 4.6!!!!
every time they drive behind me or see my P's. nothing happen.!!
i have a friend is driving S2000 and a RX8
one dirve SLK 230 with supercharge.
but nothing till now.
so i don't think they know. also a friend driving X5 4.6!!!!
every time they drive behind me or see my P's. nothing happen.!!
10-11-2004 | 09:30 AM
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ha~~ if S2000 is not ont the list then i don't know why is the RX8 is.
and there is nothing i can do now anyway.
no point to change car.
and since my X5 friend and me and the other RX8 or even i know a guy with M3, till now nothing happen. so i guess it won't happen. even it does then bad luck. who cares now. already got the car. and nothing can do.
and there is nothing i can do now anyway.
no point to change car.
and since my X5 friend and me and the other RX8 or even i know a guy with M3, till now nothing happen. so i guess it won't happen. even it does then bad luck. who cares now. already got the car. and nothing can do.
10-11-2004 | 09:31 AM
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Well calculate... 176kW? 1255kg? it is even better power/weight than RX-8!
Anything with 125kW/tonne should be on the list (rule 1)
Anything with 3.5L/tonne should be on the list *(rule 2)
See my first post with the quote from Vicroads - these are VERY STRONG WORDS from them. Police and VicRoads already warned about this on ABC radio today. Hence starting this post
Elite RX-8.... that is what I am saying... they did not know before. But given what happened last week with the Skyline, they will go and bust people out. So stay low! It is a good and easy money excercise. Just go to Chinatown and catch all P platers!
Anything with 125kW/tonne should be on the list (rule 1)
Anything with 3.5L/tonne should be on the list *(rule 2)
See my first post with the quote from Vicroads - these are VERY STRONG WORDS from them. Police and VicRoads already warned about this on ABC radio today. Hence starting this post
Elite RX-8.... that is what I am saying... they did not know before. But given what happened last week with the Skyline, they will go and bust people out. So stay low! It is a good and easy money excercise. Just go to Chinatown and catch all P platers!
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10-11-2004 | 09:47 AM
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RX-8 177kW/1.345 tonne = 131 (hi-po)
S2K 176/1.255 = 140 (hi-po)
As in mod your car --- AMUSE's is 10x worst than yours. But who cares... the cops does not care. Just stay low - even when you get caught speeding.
Last time I speed the cop asked me what power does the car gives - that was the integra and they have NO IDEA. So stay low! You will be ok!
S2K 176/1.255 = 140 (hi-po)
As in mod your car --- AMUSE's is 10x worst than yours. But who cares... the cops does not care. Just stay low - even when you get caught speeding.
Last time I speed the cop asked me what power does the car gives - that was the integra and they have NO IDEA. So stay low! You will be ok!
10-11-2004 | 07:24 PM
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I just found an excuse.
Legal Exemptions
Legislation allows a licence holder to drive a high powered vehicle when driving the motor vehicle in the course of his or her employment and at the request of his or her employer. No exemption document is required from VicRoads.
This extends to self employed people (eg electrician, plumber, travelling sales person and so on). A person is permitted to drive a high powered vehicle to and from work and outside of normal "working hours" provided the use is work related (eg servicing a vehicle, making deliveries and similar). A person is not permitted to drive the vehicle at any time for social reasons or reasons unrelated to work. In these cases the onus is upon the driver to provide evidence to the police that their driving is work connected.
Legal Exemptions
Legislation allows a licence holder to drive a high powered vehicle when driving the motor vehicle in the course of his or her employment and at the request of his or her employer. No exemption document is required from VicRoads.
This extends to self employed people (eg electrician, plumber, travelling sales person and so on). A person is permitted to drive a high powered vehicle to and from work and outside of normal "working hours" provided the use is work related (eg servicing a vehicle, making deliveries and similar). A person is not permitted to drive the vehicle at any time for social reasons or reasons unrelated to work. In these cases the onus is upon the driver to provide evidence to the police that their driving is work connected.
