Lensman

That's because it's not a gauge but an 'idiot light' as has been reported in another thread. It will only move if there's a serious problem.

donaldc

i think he was referring to water temp and not the oil pressure (which is not a true oil pressure guage).

Donald

sco

I'm OK with it. Having been stuck for 30 minutes trying to go 200m to get off the Periphique in Paris earlier in the year I've learned our traffic is nothing like overseas.

I will be keeping a good eye on the gauges if I'm stuck in slow traffic and its 38 outside.

Lock & Load

I Suppose we dont get traffic jams here in OZ , and we dont have variable temperatures either .
What lousy excuse for not providing us with 2 oil coolers , come on mazda iam sure you can come up with a better answer , if the truth is to be told its purely a cost cutting exercise.

Japan also has lots of traffic jams and extremes in weather , but the japanese are too polite to outwardly complain about getting only one oil cooler.

MAZDA i am not buying youre **** weak answer.

mktchin

hey lock n load, i agree with your sentiments. it was a PR answer. seems more like cost cutting than anything else.

i have spoken with the dealer where i bought my rx-8 and they will ask head office. but i'm not hopeful of getting a real answer. it will be along the lines of the PR answer that was sent to me above.

so which countries did get two oil coolers?

USA and UK only or are there others?

mike

Erwin

Considering I will be driving my 8 at peak hour down the Monash Freeway in Melbourne every morning which is bumper to bumper traffic jammed, it's not true to say that we don't get jams in Oz.

donaldc

OK Mazda.

If the length of time spent in hot weather in traffic is the reason for the dual oil coolers in other markets, how come the low-power and automatic models only have 1 oil cooler. I gather any car in a traffic jam would spend most of the time idling and stationary. Why would a high power engine develop more heat than a lower power engine in the same conditions? Surely both types of engine would generate the same amount of heat under those conditions.

I think Mazda Australia will have to come up with a better explanation.

I had a chance to read the sales manual given to Mazda salespeople for selling the RX-8. One key point I noted in the manual said that under no circumstances should salespeople spin lies or bullshit to a potential RX-8 owner as they will know it is bullshit. They note that prospective RX-8 owners will have a high knowledge of all aspects of the RX-8 including technical details. Well, it seems Mazda Australia should take the advice they give out to their sales staff.

Donald

mktchin

after reading fellow rx-8 owners' response to the email that i received from mazda australia, i wish to now state that i am NOT satisfied with their response. also the news that mazda usa is offering a full refund to rx-8 owners due to the fact that the true power output of the usa spec rx-8 is 177kW not 184kW means that we as owners who supported the launch of this car should press the issue further with mazda australia. i know that specs can change without notice but the reasons given by mazda for not including a second oil cooler is bullshit. It can seem reasonable on face value but doesn't hold up on closer examination. they either come out and say that it was a cost cutting exercise or offer to install another oil cooler (either at reduced cost or free as a gesture of goodwill to owners who preordered.)

does this seem reasonable?

mike

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

The questions have to be asked though:

• Is anyone having overheating problems?
• Doesn't the car have a very comprehensive warranty?

Honestly, I don't know why people are getting jacked off about this. Don't forget the rest of the world also reads this forum. Do we wan't to have an impression of disgruntled owners? Nope - think of the consequences down the track.

C'mon guys, these are great cars. I am thrilled to bits by mine. Lets stop the rot until someone actualy has a real problem. Then lets see how Mazda handles it.

I know from personal experience that they treat real problems very seriously. I owned a 1992 Astina SP from new. It was out of warranty in 1997, and a suspension component broke. I had it fixed outside of the dealership (there is a workshop in the family) at my cost. I mentioned the problem to the dealer. The dealer covered my expenses for the repair. The next thing I know, Mazda (Japan) wanted the failed components sent over for analysis. A short time after that, they wanted to verify the the bolts holding the component in place had been replaced at the time of repair. They hadn't, and my dealers service department arranged for the additional work be carried out at no charge to myself. The car was 5 years old and had done 150,000 km.

I can't complain about that. I see no reason to think things have changed.

And one more thing while I'm on my soapbox. Do you think Mazda doesn't read this forum? I am referring mainly to the corporation rather than the dealers. (That thread about the boyfriend who got to take a demo for a caning didn't go unnoticed...) I for one don't want to get a reputation as a bunch of winging prima donas. That isn't going to help anything if I do have a problem.

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Cheers,
Hymee.

sco

Hymee -- Your comment about Mazda monitoring the forum caught my attention.

I would like to see someone from Mazda get involved with the forum, for it is a lack of good information that is breeding discontent.

I wouldn't have bought my RX-8 if it wasn't for this forum -- reading about other people's experiences and likes and dislikes of the '8 was what gave me enough confidence to lay 60k of cold hard ones down for it.

I'd like to see them take a page from the IT community and get involved with the enthusiasts and contribute to the forum. It's a no brainer:
- they can deal with misinformation quickly before it gets out of hand
- they can let the broader community know that they are interested in people post sale
- they can gather information to improve the product.
- all up, it will help them build sales... I'm sure there are or will be many more stories like mine.

If they're not prepared to do it themselves I'd like to see someone from a dealer step up to the mark and act as an advocate for us here. Why should a dealer do it. If I get three quotes from three dealers and they're about the same then I would buy from the one who contributes here, because I know they care about the product.

Off my soapbox now...

sco

Lock & Load

MKTCHIN AND SCO i totally agree with both your threads , its not about whinging but about getting up front answers to real questions and not B/S.from mazda.

Maestro

I'm off to RX-8 Training I will ask the question why ?

Considering both the US spec and Aus ?NZ spec are both the same power.

I would say that it is cost cutting but I will find out the real answer at dealer training.

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

It will be interesting to find out more on this. I didn't mean to brand anyone as whingers. But I am cautious about being stereotyped in a negative manner.

I also don't think the "traffic jam" reason makes a lot of sense. What would be needed in that situation is supplemental air to the cooler. Just sitting in traffice isn't going to do a great deal without much air flow. An electric fan would do the trick. Another benefit of the 2nd cooler is that the capacity would be more.

But I'm still not going to worry about it. The car has a good warranty. And I didn't decide to purchase it because it had 2 engine oil coolers! Some of the rotary engines of years past "hid" the engine oil cooler inside the water based cooling system.

Cheers,
Hymee.

mktchin

hi maestro

can you also check about the problem with the oil sump and oil pressure sensor?

another thread mentioned this problem (tasmanian 6 day drive in this forum)

i took my rx-8 in this morning for the 1000km service and asked the service manager about it and they mentioned that there has been no information or memos about the oil sump and pressure sensor.

i personally haven't had any problem with oil presure light coming on but i haven't driven the car hard yet. i guess it may come up in the next fwe weeks with more agressive driving of the car.

cheers

mike

rx8 - smooth!

Hi Guys,

I have had this same problem and got it fixed.

I set up a thread in the technical area of the forum.

It is here

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8149

I hope this helps. There is even a part no there.

Steve

mktchin

hi guys

i got my rx-8 back from the dealer topday after 1000km look over. i got them to check the oil sensor light issue. they said that only one car has had the problem which needed the replacement part which is only an oil level sensor. it was a rx-8 in queensland. there was no need to change the sump. the service manager said that to call if the issue develops and the part can be ordered and fitted.

interestingly, they had not heard of the issue until i pressed them into called mazda australia. they also had not heard of the mazda usa debarcle on the power quotation.

in 1000km lookover, they mentioned that the ECU was reset. does that mena that i have more power now that the run-in period is finished?

i haven't had the chance to see if it feels any different to when i took the car in.

cheers

mike

Maestro

I'm already here man and have been for ages.

I work for North Harbour Mazda in Auckland NZ.

I currently drive a 92' FD RX-7 which is my weekend hack / racer and have been involved in organising club events with the RX-8 over this side.

My Previous cars are as follows:

87 FC RX-7 Turbo GTR (JDM)
89 FC RX-7 Turbo
91 FC RX-7 Turbo LM Edition (MazdaSpeed Special)
92 FD RX-7 Type R

Also my old Japanese Student works for Mazda E & D in japan so I do have access to some Japan RE techo's as well.

My email is rian.herrick@northharbour.co.nz

sco

Cheers Maestro... any thoughts on the 1 oil cooler and oil sump?

Maestro

Oil coolers

I think its cost cutting. We get the same hi spec as you guys.

Mazda didn't really have a answer.

I'll talk to Japan ;D

Sump ????

Is this the lighting fault I'm hearing about on the forum or why the sump is small and need to be checked every 5000 km

msydd

It's the oil light issue... from the main forum look like they'll install baffling in the oil sump.

sco

Correct... apologies for being vague... I'm interested in knowing if my car will need a fix for the oil light issue so any info on what cars are affected would be useful.

msydd

My new "sump" is on order... I was told only the first shipment need to be changed...

I'll try to get any info I can when I get the call to go and get it fixed...

Maestro

Ours must be sweet I have seen nothing on this from technical bullitins.

Our first shipment though were only released on friday so I guess it probabaly doesn't affect us.

Our must already have the new sump.

Hymee

iTrader: (1)

Maestro,

Can you find out VINs ranges of vehicles pre/post the change?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Maestro

You'd be better talking to Mazda Aus.

I don't have access to your cars and also it doesn't look like ours are affected.

Mazda Aus. should supply you with a list if you ask them.