early 30's crisis

I KNEW IT, dammit!

Finally got in today and well guess what... they confirmed my suspicions. The poor guy that came to the lounge to tell me was shaking he was so scared and I said before he could even open his mouth "Its blown, huh?"

I am at home now, waiting on compression tests to confirm for sure, and then the new engine will be ordered. I will go back later today to pick it up and get all the info I can..

Now what.
I'm sad.

GoesLikeStink

Wow...a new engine on a 2006 SE???
I feel for you, that's bad news.

I always thought the engine problems were for pre-2006 years.

Let us know what happens and how long you'll be without the 8.

Maybe you posted elsewhere, but how did you "know"?

philsbluerx8

whats wrong with your engine? i have 05 rx8 but how come i havent noticed if there is any problem with engine? i thought the only issue is the pcm reflash and spark plug replacement which are all about drivability.....

abs016

Ditto. I have an 05 rx8.. What did you do to notice a problem with the engine and how do u know it is blown?

Dang. I have to be careful now.. more paranoia (

early 30's crisis

Well, I bought it in June 2006. I have never had a rotary before, and tried to do my research as best I could, including lurking on here before I joined in Jan 2007. I remember one of the things I read, someone said it should run smooth as silk. It doesnt and never did. It had a hard idle that got worse obviously when the fan/AC/defrost was on, but I didnt think much of it. Its new, right? Needs to break in.

So at my 1st oil change, I mentioned the hard idle. It was waved away. "Normal" they said. First red flag.
Winter came and went. Idle still the same. Mentioned again. "Well leave it here a few days" I cant, its a daily driver. "Oh well make sure you can and we will tear it apart". 2nd red flag.
Mentioned again, and again and again. Did the recall. Said all was fine, even after I told them to check the idle. "This should fix it". My trust was gone then. No dice, still rough.
Spring and summer. A little worse. Keep mentioning. Its fine. "Hows your fuel economy?" "Not bad" "Then its fine".
Recently, I insist there is something seriously wrong, and I think the motor is finished. I insist on coming in and waiting as usual, and refuse to leave without answers. "Highly unlikely, but bring it in". I suggested motor mounts, plugs and coils, which were all apparently checked before and fine. It doesnt really do it when I warm it up, just after the engine gets hot. All these things would be present all the time, no? Hence blown motor theory. "No no, it'll be fine, probably new plugs or something".

And then the quivering guy coming to deliver the news.

This is going to be a battle, and I know it is. I had a new service tech (like a week under his belt) and a service manager that tried to explain to me what the recall was for (nothing to do with running, strictly emissions.. I have the document printed and I am ready to go back soon and throw it on his desk) and how an apex seal works. I told him I was well aware, and that I have been complaining and complaining for a full year, and now its suddenly toast, why was my concern not checked before when I mentioned it?

I should have gone screaming back in there 25000km ago.
31000km. And finished. I am sure that it was done last summer when I got it right from day one.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun, who knows. I am armed with acceptable compression numbers and will post back later today after I get mine..

Oh and incase anyone wants to know, on a seemingly blown motor, I get 404km average on a tank of fuel before the light comes on. LOL. Impressive.

GoesLikeStink

wow....sounds like it was blown since early on with that idle issue.

Ever noticed a lack of power at all?

Your mileage is fine.

At least you are armed with all the information. Plus you are still well within the warranty period, so it shouldn't be a problem.

When you got the 4206F recall done they were supposed to check for this kind of thing I thought !?!?!

I'm ultra paranoid now as I have a 2006 SE which I also purchased in June

early 30's crisis

Lack of power.. no. Noticed a surge that started a few weeks ago, almost like a transmission skipping kind of feeling (now how the hell to describe that..?)

I thought they were supposed to check that too. And according to the recall I just printed, THEY WERE, if a customer mentioned drivability issues such as hard starts and ROUGH IDLES

When's your build date? Maybe they are sisters lol you can have the good sister, since I have the bad..

Rems31

my light comes on at around 380kms...maybe I should make my motor blow to get an extra 20 kms

early 30's crisis

^^ that would have been really funny had I been in the mood..

It did make me smile a little though!

1.5hrs to compression #'s and the final word..

Chris_Bangle

iTrader: (2)

Sorry about your bad news. You are still under warranty, right?

Chris_Bangle

iTrader: (2)

^ nevermind, stupid question as you do say that you will be getting a new motor if it doesn't pass the test

early 30's crisis

I just got back from getting my #'s. Please help me decipher. I was expecting KPA or PSI, I dont know what these mean.. they tell me they were perfect (??).

9.1, 9.0, 9.4 rotor 1 @282rpm. 9.0, 8.7, 9.1 rotor 2 @300rpm.

So what gives? They checked the plugs (which apparently have been checked already twice before) and they were fouled, from flooding I am told. I have never flooded and follow all suggested procedures for warm up, drive and shut down.
Allegedly plugs were replaced and it was fine, they let it run for an hour and no issues reported.

I'm so mad, I suggest something, they agree, I am devastated and now its a non issue. I'm so confused. LOL. What a day!

We will find out for sure later.. its still there for now until I can get it home.

I need a beer.

GoesLikeStink

I don't know much about this but those numbers look good from what I can see elsewhere on this forum, e.g.:
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/2-years-2-engines-im-done-goodbye-rx8-122337/page5/

early 30's crisis

^ thank you.. i will search and find some others..

DarkBrew

Wow! At least a two beer day.

Take it for a spin (to 9K) and see what happens.

Keep us posted.

early 30's crisis

Well, its home now. Sounded better upon startup and idled down smoother. Stopped at two lights on my way home, and what do you know? Same damn thing, just as bad, no better at all.
Still idles rough down to wanting to stall.

I did take it up to 9k, twice, just so see.. and it revved up a little better I think.

So if it has new plugs, compression is good, what is it then??

philsbluerx8

er....i think its ok though....the only thing which could prove engine blown was just that check-engine light? if it is so, i think the idle sounds fine cuz i think mine also has that kinda feeling but never had check engine light on.
i am not sure, i just guess and i also guess there probably is another reason why motor was finished

rotten42

what dealer have you been taking it to?

SlowLude

So are you supposed to get a new engine or something? What does this rough idle feel like? What RPM does it go down to? My idle vibrates the car and I can see the shifter vibrate, but I got used to it. Is that considered rough?

dying_here

omg sorry to hear what happened!! same Question as Slowlude, wat does a rough idle feel like?! i'm a little worry about my 06 too now aiya

r-enzyme

iTrader: (1)

I am wondering the same exact thing. I have almost a faint whistling or chirping noise at idle, I don't like it one bit but the dealer keeps insisting that it's "normal". My warranty just ran out last month, I have an 04, and the paranoia is setting in......

philsbluerx8

this is what i meant upstairs, i have pretty much the same feeling, especially when u trun on the **** controlling the air "w/o air conditioning", the shift **** vibrates much, as well as the whole car. but its not like continously vibrate, i should call it discrete vibration, i guess.......

dying_here

I have the same feeling too, how the **** vibrates when idling.. I thought thats normal though and thats why the OEM **** ( or mspeed) is so heavy, to help w/ this vibration.

GoesLikeStink

I think everyone, except OP, needs to take a chill pill and relax. There's always a small amount of vibration on the gear stick in any manual car.

No big deal.

If you have a rough idle, lack of power, CEL etc. then you can start worrying.

TragicallyHip

Mine just started this aswell recently... Only after it warms up a little bit, and is only noticable at idle really when at a stop light... When I press the clutch down, the noise goes away... It will get slightly louder if I just lightly touch my foot on the clutch... Getting it checked out Monday morning...