This thread is making want a MS CAI.

lol, gwilliams and his cars which he said he had like 10 times in this thread. Awesome info though, might get me to buy the CAI.

 

Don't waste your money..... There is way more suitable mods for an NA rx8 when the stock intake system flows so well already..... Unless you just want the bling factor...

 

The MS CAI add more than just bling factor, Mr. RotarymachineRx

Partly From my earlier post.

"I have Mazdaspeed CAI on both my 2008 40th anniversary RX8 and my 2008 mazdaspeed3 GT. In the states they sell for around $400-500 at Mazda dealers. With one hour dealer labor to install they cost me about $500 to put in. I have noticeable and measurable performance increases in both cars, more so in the Mazdaspeed3 GT, but still better performance,faster acceleration, quicker throttle response with better breathing, and slightly better fuel mileage in the RX8. I have had both my CAIs for over a year now, and they are much more than just more noise, and that noise is very sweet to listen to.

Also, take it from a guy that has owned Mazdas since the early seventies, including six rotary Mazdas, and even raced my heavily modified RX7s in SCCA. I easily have a million miles driven in rotary Mazdas (street and track miles combined since 1973) THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP with loading up your cars with all these non-mazdaspeed parts. Granted there are great aftermarket mods out there,and I have used a countless number of them over the decades, including major turbocharging and internal engine and race porting mods. Just remember you risk voiding any warranty (especially any engine warranties) and then all repairs will come out of your pocket.I know, I have been there, and have paid the price many times. Luckily Mazdaspeed has developed and makes great mods that KEEP your warranty. Use your head and start here, and maybe you will avoid great expense later."

And if Mazdaspeed cant fit the bill, then buy what you need from another aftermarket supplier, but be ready to pay if anything else breaks on your car as a result.

 

^ No I read your post and agreed with you for the most part.... but in my mind 1-2 whp and 0.5-1mpg better fuel economy is not worth the $500, I feel there is just better mods for the money that will net you more measurable gains..... for me it wasn't worth it when I was NA because mazda pretty much nailed it with the stock airbox.

Now in the case of the MS3 I can imagine that it made alot bigger difference than it did on the 8, it's just its hard to beat an already great system that is on the 8.

 

Here it comes...

 

Depends on the existing outside air temp, and humidity . I was able to get between 5hp-10hp increase at the flywheel, adding the MSCAI on my RX8. Since I had driven the car for many thousands of miles before I added the MSCAI, and I have raced and driven rotaries longer than many posters here have been alive, I can authoritatively say when a car I am driving is faster, breathes better, is more throttle responsive and gets better gas mileage. There are a lot of nay sayers on this subject here, but I know the reality of what improvement I got, and I love the difference every mile I drive it. and that is a bargain to me for $400-500 dollars. In our RX7 racing days we would kill for just this much safe and reliable hp advantage over our rivals, it could make all the difference in winning. Turbocharging and supercharger have their place for huge horsepower gains, I have done both over the decades. But a CAI with its much more modest boost in performance, is always safer for your engine, and a whole lot kinder to your wallet.

Hey if a CAI doesn't turn you on in Saskatchewan, Canada, fine, but don't say it is of no importance. It is a cheap and safe improvement for your rotary engine. And it does sound better, hmmm just maybe it IS breathing better !

 

LOL yay this thread made it to 6 pages.

Those of you intetrested in getting this. Not much gains as you already know. This is more for bling i guess as many have said. And it sounds good lol.

 

Dude ... why did you have to get him going?

I agree with you 100% and so do most others .... and absolutely those that have actually installed the MS CAI/AEM

This guy just can't leave it alone, he doesn't see your point, on the complete waste of money it is.

Maybe the car breaths a "bit" better ..... but who the **** cares when the stock intake is great in the first place.

Take you 500 and spend it on something else .... like smokes or something.

That and the fact that he completely forgets about the operating environment of the CAI.
I would never recommend this solution to anyone that is going to drive their 8 in winter conditions. I lived in Saskatchewan and I was considering driving my 8 in the winter .... I would NOT put the MS CAI (AEM) in the car.
OR anyone that doesn't think taking the front bumper off is cool to clean the air filter.......

Yeah feel like its worth it now ..... psshhhhh

 

Bullshit
Prove it ... and don't give me any of your ooooh I'm sooo experienced crap. These are road cars not track cars.
I'll will give you that on the track every advantage is required but this CAI style offers more problems than it's worth for daily driver cars.
Post a dyno sheet on how good the performance is ...... even a data log showing the differences in the IAT before and after.

I bet its not much if any better than the stock CAI.

Want the car to breath better .... remove the catalytic. Instant gains.

 

Boy you guys from Canada don't seem to believe anyone in the States could actually have driven rotaries for nearly forty years , raced for years and just maybe have more experience and knowledge than you on a subject. Whew !! And BTW I have raced past RX7s in showroom stock at Mosport.

If you want the last word on this subject, be my guest ! I don't have time to go back and forth with you . In two weeks I am 60 years old, and still driving RXs (both my 2008 40th Anniversary edition RX8 and my 2008 Mazdaspeed3 GT-both with MSCAI), and still hanging out with other club members in the NE US. I will keep attending club events , track days, keep winning trophies, and sharing fun and having forum discussions with other US RX8 club members and owners who are mature enough to show some mutual respect.

 

LOL ....... us dummies from Canada,
What .... that we just won't take some nobody's word without proof
By the way I never said I didn't believe your racing experience.
.....oooooo look at us... once again you were asked for data and we get the same old .... I'm sooo experienced ******* ****

You don't know me and you don't that I'm not more experienced.
You don't sound more experienced and you really do not sound more knowledgeable.
Maybe you were terrible at what you did in your racing experience ....mmmmmmm

As a matter of fact I do want the last word .....
Show some evidence ...... once again I ask ...... no butt dyno data, butt dyno data is full of crap.

Otherwise I don't give a crap about your racing experience because it does not relate to the MS/AEM CAI in the real World.

Once again you ignore the point that I have asked of you.
Which is providing evidence that your shitty CAI is worth a pinch of coon ****.

I gave you the fact that racing is different, however you seem to deny that daily driving is different....


Ohhhh booohooo you don't have time to go back and forth with me ... why because I question you ...... oooooooo i'm soooooo sorry .... oooooohhhh sssoooo sensitive American ...... didn't mean to hurt your feeler.
Public forum .. t'is ok for you to spew your crap but god forbid anybody challenge you ... oooooooooooo Nooooooooooo

You know nothing of respect.

 

ahahaahahahaha ^LOL

WCS your post was hilarious source of Sunday morning Entertainment before I hit up Honda Indy.

 

I like all the ooooo's wcs. It paints the picture/ lol

I am in the "getting the cai to free up room in the engine bay for more air flow in the engine bay and to mount my 2cy canister up front closer to the omp" group.

I am fully aware of what it does, and I just need to get that box out of there.
No real performance mods. Looks better, leaves engine bay uncluttered and it'll make my car even louder now. hmmm, louder.

edit: silly americans.

 

I live in the states. So I guess I am supposed to be "smart" enough to trust this guy and his Butt dyno results... You would actually have a valid argument IF you had any proof that goes along with your claims. I agree with the aftermarket intake being a show piece. Yes it is functional. More so than the original? Maybe a little. But IMHO, It's only for show and to look pretty.

Please prove me wrong and show us some proof!

 

Have fun at the Indy ..... I've freed up my Sunday so I can watch it on the tele

 

lol ..... ya
I kind of feel bad but this guy just gets under my skin.
I get the point he has tonnes of racing experience.
I get it that "on the track" the MS/AEM CAI is an improvement (every hp counts as small as it maybe)

But his complete lack of acknowledgement, that overall, for the average daily driver that the system might be more hassle than it's worth makes me frustrated. (For guys like you and I Chad ... we love working on cars but that's not everyone)
That and the complete lack of any supporting data that the system really works any better

There is nothing wrong with getting the system, when you have specific requirements as you have mentioned....
I bought the SSR underdrive pulleys just because I wanted them, I completely knew they would have no benefit .... but I wanted the look.

Oh and I was considering buying a MS CAI for my turbo kit .... it would have worked nicely.
It's all context.

There's nothing wrong with the system when you change the parameters of what it satisfying ......
But if all you are trying to do is improve the existing stock CAI .... well ... <shrug>

As a side question, I've been wondering this:

So you can put this water sock (I think they call it) over the filter to protect it.
I wonder, if and how much, the "water sock" impedes the air flow over just having the air filter without the "water sock"

Wouldn't it be really shitty to find out that you actually get a more restrictive air flow over stock because of a sock (lol sorry I had to rhyme)

 

Haha my bad; I didn't know he was a headcase.... looks like you enjoyed it though

^+1

And that was exactly why this intake would be worth it for some people.


Hahaha this all made for a good read.... But same for myself about the agency power underdriven pully, just bought it cuz it was a cool blue color

I"m still considering a MS/AEM style intake for my Turbo as I see intake temps of around 180 sometimes in heavy traffic at Idle with my current GReddy intake... although I think I will find some aluminum piping and buy a 90 silicon coupler and rig my own up.

My entire point in the argument was that if you are looking for gains this is not the mod for you because there aren't any over the stock CAI.... because just like the MS/AEM intake it is a COLD AIR INTAKE and is getting air from the same location.

I remember somebody doing some research with the water sock.... for some reason I think it was that crazy kiwi (you know who I'm talking about).....

 

I just picked up an AEM CAI from JRP for $293. I dont drive it in the winter, and dont take it to car washes so I should be fine. Now I just need help installing it. Rotary-rx8 may come and help me out

 

Therez a DIY thread if i recall correctly... Even the AEM CAI came with an Rx-8 instructions for simple DIY...

 

Good choice and at a great price, best to you Mazda RX804

 

yes i do realize that, but i just prefer doing it with someone incase i run into an issue. 2 hands are always better than 1.

 

I'll start driving from Edmonton. Shouldn't be too long before I'm there
Seriously though, it's a pretty easy install. There's a reason this is most people's first mod.

 

If you have the aero-lip spoiler, you could drive it up on low-pro ramps or if you jack up the front end. That should give you enough clearance to pull out the filter through the under-tray. You are right about the position of the filter clamp facing down, although you could get to it with a socket wrench + extension.

 

ill help you

 

the aem CAI was the first thing i got when i purchased the 8. I got it for like 300 on amazon and it's awesome, but only for the sound really. and the looks. BHR makes an undertray for the airbox that looks kinda cool