Quick_lude

Huh? You haven't read about the 1Bilion unaccounted HR flop or 998 Million cost overrun on the gun Registry? The only reason Toronto/Ontario is doing well is because we are the economic centre of Canada ( sorry Montreal, Vancouver).. The provincial government has a lot more to do with that success than the federal liberals..

How about the autocratic Liberal leader Cretin? "a proof is a proof and when I see it then it will be a proof" He's an international joke. I'm ashamed to have him represent Canada, our great country deserves better. Now he's staying in power too long, creating a mockery of the system and weakening/dividing the Liberal party thus weakening the country.. How about the scrap the GST fiasco.. The helicopter fiasco that will cost Canada much more in the long run.. How about the latest Manley ethical fiasco.. I'm gonna stop now, don't want our US friends catching on to how corrupt and inefficient our leading federal party is..

Gord96BRG

Go look up the Liberal Red Book from the 1993 election. See just how many firm, resolute, absolute, guaranteed election promises they broke. See how they made the same promises for the 1996 election ("this time we really mean it!") and then broke them again. Insofar as the leader is a reflection of the party and vice versa, I don't like either. I agree that Chretien is now an embarrassment, long past the best by date. I think the party would do much better with a new leader, even Martin.

As for what the Liberals have done (and let's be clear, it's not a small-l liberal vs. conservative thing, it's specifically the Liberal Party of Canada) to the West, start by looking up the National Energy Plan of 1980, aka the rape of the West. Continue by considering how they pander to Ontario - not because you're the centre of the Universe (as apparent in the attitude implied in your quote above), but simply because there's enough votes in Ontario that if a party panders to Ontario, they're likely to win an election and to hell with the West (or far East). A quote like yours above is what Quebecers love to justify separatism, and the West is none to fond of that attitude either. There's plenty of people here who would love to take our oil revenue (and the massive federal taxation of it that supports Ontario - look up the balances for provincial transfer of payments to see who is supporting who) and join the US, and say "screw you Ontario, freeze in the dark you arrogant bastards!" (I'm by no means one of those, but it is the appropriate response to the "without us Canada is nothing" nonsense). The West sure doesn't need Ontario, sorry to ruin your illusions of superiority! A collaborative, joint effort is what's required for national success, but certainly not a "without us you're nothing" attitude. Sorry, that doesn't fly out here.

OK, I really didn't sign up for political discussions - I hope we're done! Bring on the Canadian info about our RX-8s!

Regards,
Gordon

Quick_lude

Personally I voted reform in the last election.. anything but Liberal. I still fail to understand Ontario's love for the Liberals..

So has anyone seen an MSRP for the RX-8 in Canada? :D

loungeliz

You see, you guys did get me going.... OK I swear, this is my very last post on this topic, but I need to get this off my chest...

I too love Canada, my profession could take me many other places.... but despite my love for Canada there are some things that are just not right and our Cretin Prime Minister is one of them.

I too am ashamed to have Cretin represent us. For example, Cretin has an aide call Bush a moron within earshot of international press. He then tries to defend the aide and stonewalls on the aide's resignations.

Who is the bigger moron I ask? :o

There I feel better already...

Getting back more or less on topic.
Another difference between Canada and the US is that we don't have to import gobs of oil. Is it just me or am I the only one who wish the Venezuelans would strike forever and Saddam would also shut off the spigots? Let the dividends roll in :D

I hope the RX-8 uses gobs of fuel (ooh did I say that out loud...), OK, OK, since I already have one gas guzzler I take that back, I hope it is super efficient.... :D

BTW, the Expedition is not really that bad, on an average 100 litre fill up of mixed driving I can cover about 500km... Ever see one of those Honda Civic Chugalug Chugalug ads? thinking of it makes me crack up every time I fill up...

Immi

Fair enough Gord - go have a jolly of a time refining your oil - the west may have a large supply but most of the oil is unrefinable.

I never liked western canada politics and I am a strong believer that Ontario and Quebec would be better off if it were its own country (call me a separatist - i am). The truth IS that Canada is nothing but trees without Ontario, it seems you are the only one to deny that. You may think that the western provinces help balance ontario's budget - but think about this, if Ontario were to seperate what country would others invest in BC, or Alberta??? The potential lies in Ontario bro, ontario is more capable in copying the us's balancing procedures - less risk - thus making your whole 'debt' argument completely redundant.

I think other provinces bring ontario down, saying that other provinces help ontario is beyond ignorant its actually hilarious. Ontario creates a huge percent of the forgein investment in this country.

Ontario votes for liberals because the liberals do something more for ontario - why would ontario vote alliance?? Think about it - they only do it for the benefit of ontario - majority seats dont get voted in by 5+ million retards!!


than i say go ahead join the us - it'll just be funny when the us says we want nothing to do with you and your crap oil!

GO LEAFS!

Quick_lude

OMG! You use 100L/500km! That's 20L/100km... That is terrible.. I have 200hp and on average use 10L/100km. :D Chugalug, Chugalug, Chugalug.. :p

Immi, although the Liberals did get the majority of the SEATS in Ontario, if you look at the actual vote percentages, it wasn't 5Mil to 0. As far as I remember Liberals did not even get the majority of the popular vote in the country.. It's only because of Ontario and the Parlament seat system they have this huge advantage.

Immi

Quicklude, i just used the 5 mil to 0 to emphasise a point.
sorry for the confusion

beast

The biggest difference between Canada and the U.S. is that I'm a Canadian, and that's all that matters, lol.

bwayout

The biggest difference is that Canada has a better view of Niagara Falls that we do in the States ...



Plus the city of Niagara Falls in Canada, around the actual "Falls" area, is a great place to be and see ... (when I use to live in Detroit, I made quite a few road trips up that way and to Toronto too) Great memories!



Canadian big cities are usally cleaner of trash lying around the streets than our big cities ...



Hey, and my mother was Canadian!

:D

But I like our "Bill of Rights" better

Edit: The States have warmer weather and better sandy beaches for swimmimg

... I think that's about it!