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Old 03-06-2009 | 10:58 AM
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Old 03-06-2009 | 11:46 AM
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Those look pretty sketchy to me... is that rust on the bottom of the 2 right ones? The first one is looking pretty black.

If these were in my car I would probably change them.
Old 03-06-2009 | 12:25 PM
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Why in God's name are your plugs so hidieously looking?! Holy crap!! My plugs have never looked like that!!
Change those plugs! How many km's are on those things?! Good God!
Old 03-06-2009 | 12:33 PM
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I'll change them after the car starts, still fuel in the car, ****
Old 03-06-2009 | 12:36 PM
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I'm telling you, pull the plugs, pull the fuel relay. Hold the throttle to the floor as you try and crank all the crap out of the engine.

Only do this for 8-10 seconds at a time. When all smoke stops, and you see no more little drips or any spitting at you......do it twice more.

Then.......make sure the plugs are good and dry(we used compressed air). Reinstall the plugs, not the fuel relay.

Crank the car(with no throttle) and if/when it catches, plugs the fuel relay in really quick. It's best to have two people for this part. One to start the car and one to put the relay back in.
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:14 PM
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Sorry man teachin today, no access to comp.

What Mazurfer said, and replace those plugs they look brutal!! It may not run with those plugs.
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:25 PM
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Ouch this hurts.... was your car is storage all winter??? now i'm getting nervouse about mine!!!
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:27 PM
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I'm gonna try what Mazurfer said, I left it for today, battery needs recharging and figured the starter could take a breAk. Gonna go at it tonight if possible, or tomorrow morning.
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:34 PM
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jay, just got home now. i hung around work and played with my car wheni figured there was no chance i'd be able to get out to help you because you were at work. anyways, im posting this because my cell phones completely dead and i lost my charger. I can come out tonight if you want. id rather avoid rush hour though. I have the old plugs out of my car that are at least dry and never flooded so i can bring those if you want. let me know ASAP because ill have to run back to work to get the stuff before 430pm. and if there are any tools or anything.

P.S. when you call me at work just ask to speak to me. they thought you were an angry customer or something thats why they said i was busy. lol. I wont get in trouble for personal calls, so just say that its personal and there wont be a problem. haha
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Maybe we could do an install meet tonight sounds good greg, when do you wanna come out over here? Anyone else wanna come?
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:56 PM
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Maybe we could do an install meet tonight sounds good greg, when do you wanna come out over here? Anyone else wanna come?
ya man thats good. i just dont wanna have to sit in rush hour traffic. us small town guelph guys cant handle that. lol. So what do you want me to bring and when do you think is the earliest i could leave and avoid alot of traffic? Also, need your address to plug into google maps.

whats up with your spark plugs? looks like you have 4 trailings in there....

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Old 03-06-2009 | 02:05 PM
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Yeah, his plugs really do look ***'d
Old 03-06-2009 | 02:09 PM
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I need a battery charger to recharge my battery, I guess bring extra plugs in case. I have antiseize, if you have extentions for a socket wrench bring that. Or a breaker bar. I have a spark plug socket. Anything you think we need. I don't get off work till 8, 7:30. Is that too late?
Old 03-06-2009 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by prospectjtaz
I need a battery charger to recharge my battery, I guess bring extra plugs in case. I have antiseize, if you have extentions for a socket wrench bring that. Or a breaker bar. I have a spark plug socket. Anything you think we need. I don't get off work till 8, 7:30. Is that too late?
thats fine, so ill leave hear about 730. pm me your address. i'll have to see if i can dig up a battery charger. Im going now to get the tools and stuff. if you need me for something my cell phone is 519-803-8884, but i wont have it on me for a while (needs to charge now that i found the charger). so leave a message or pm me with whatever.
Old 03-06-2009 | 04:03 PM
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jay, just got home now. i hung around work and played with my car wheni figured there was no chance i'd be able to get out to help you because you were at work. anyways, im posting this because my cell phones completely dead and i lost my charger. I can come out tonight if you want. id rather avoid rush hour though. I have the old plugs out of my car that are at least dry and never flooded so i can bring those if you want. let me know ASAP because ill have to run back to work to get the stuff before 430pm. and if there are any tools or anything.

P.S. when you call me at work just ask to speak to me. they thought you were an angry customer or something thats why they said i was busy. lol. I wont get in trouble for personal calls, so just say that its personal and there wont be a problem. haha
Haven't read below yet, so it may be running by now, but old DRY plugs would really help the situation. If not, at least clean yours up carefully with some steel wool or sand paper, but make sure they are clean when putting them back in! Those plugs he showed above look pretty rough!!!!!!
Old 03-06-2009 | 04:08 PM
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Good luck guys, get it dry, get the plugs dry, pull that relay and hold the throttle all the way down, crank in bursts until nothing comes out of the plug holes. Don't forget to wipe out the plug holes.....get that crap dry.
Once the plugs are back in, have someone stand at the front of the car with relay in hand(in the right orientation) and have someone else crank the car(with no gas). Once it fires(if it fires), get that relay back in there kinda quickly. Modulate the throttle and don't let it stall. Throw the wheel back on, lower it off the jack stand, and take it for a good hard drive......once it's warmed up!
Don't be real surprised if you have to repeat the procedure. I had to do the whole thing twice on the car I was helping with.
Good luck.........Long way to drive from Florida or I'd be there!

Either that or pull start it! 18mph.....2nd gear.....pop.....once going, go to neutral real quick and don't let it stall!

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Good luck guys, get it dry, get the plugs dry, pull that relay and hold the throttle all the way down, crank in bursts until nothing comes out of the plug holes. Don't forget to wipe out the plug holes.....get that crap dry.
Once the plugs are back in, have someone stand at the front of the car with relay in hand(in the right orientation) and have someone else crank the car(with no gas). Once it fires(if it fires), get that relay back in there kinda quickly. Modulate the throttle and don't let it stall. Throw the wheel back on, lower it off the jack stand, and take it for a good hard drive......once it's warmed up!
Good luck.........Long way to drive from Florida or I'd be there!
dont worry man. ive been involved in many a deflood in my short time as apprentice at a mazda dealer. the only thing is i dont have a battery charger/booster...that would be really handy. well, the best bet is actually a good tow vehicle, but we'll get it started tonight jay, dont worry.
Old 03-06-2009 | 06:29 PM
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Hey prospectjtaz,

If you guys need a hand let me know, i just popped the battery back in my 8 and am going to fire her up and go for a spin. I can swing by wherever you are and help out if need be.
Old 03-06-2009 | 10:58 PM
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If you guys can get compressed air, inject air into the intake manifold(there is a hose right at the top when u take the engine cover off), the "un-metered" air helps with deflooding.
Old 03-07-2009 | 11:18 AM
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Thanks to Greg, Mark and Chris coming out to help me out. We got it up and running!!!

I got held back a bit, but the guys were there when I got there. Cranking over two days killed the battery, or the fact I accidentally left the trunk open.

Went to Walmart to get a new battery and a charger.

Kept cranking with plugs out, tons of gas, didnt understand why. We made a silly mistake, I pulled the Fuel fuse and not the fuel pump relay. Cranked with that out.

Put greg's plugs in and cranked. Many tries to get it caught, it caught, went to 3000 and died.

Then Marky Mark, the Magic man, got in, he cranked while Greg waiting with the fuel pump relay. First try, it caught, and relay went back in. kept it running, playing with throttle to even it out.

Then it just went whomp, ECU refigured itself out. Rough idle, went around for a few victory laps. All is well now.

ONCE AGAIN SO MUCH THANKS TO Thumper, Rev, and Rotarygreg.

For you flooding needs in the GTA, contact Marky Mark, the one turn deflooder.
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Thanks again GREG, round on me or dinner or whatever, heck we'll go cow tipping if you like.
Old 03-07-2009 | 11:51 AM
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LMFAO!! Greg's da man, he did all the hard stuff. Glad she is alive for another season
Old 03-07-2009 | 12:55 PM
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haha, dont mention it at all man. part of the local rotary brotherhood y'know. good thing we had the secret weapon there (mark). friggin guy...swooping in, grabbin all the glory. he probably knew the hole time he had the touch, just figured he'd make us work a bit. lol.
Old 03-07-2009 | 01:17 PM
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Well Jay I for one am shocked that you would let your baby fall into such a state of disrepair! Old spark plugs, dead battery! OH MY! (lololololol)
Old 03-07-2009 | 02:18 PM
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i thought flooding 8's were a thing of the past. i thought all the owners of 8's specially guys that have had them as long as you jay knew how to prevent/deflood in their sleep


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