BlackStealth

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Anyone know of a local place that sells Idemitsu premix by the case or somewhere that I can get it for less than $45 U.S shipping?

I know of StreetPower performance in Mississauga that sells it for $15 a bottle, but they don't have cases at the moment and it seems steep considering a case is around $75 (12 bottles)

If anyone would be interested in splitting the shipping costs, I would certainly be willing to order a case from the states!

* I was quoted $56 for a case + $43 shipping via UPS = $99 U.S

Let me know!

TheWulf

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Yea StreetPower is overpriced. There are no other distributors in Ontario according to Idemitsu.

Cheaper to order from MazdaTrix even with shipping. I've always ordered from them and never had a problem.

01Racing

There is a reason why its hard to get.........IT F____KS UP your rotors and seals etc! If your going to get rid of your oil metering pump thats one thing, but if your going to add more oil YOUR NUTS. Do you really think that Mazda who spends millions and millions of dollars developing the rotary engine and its management systems. Just because someone who decides it needs more oil without the years of testing etc puts his opinion on the internet someone will always follow. The extra oil will coke on your apex seals, stop them from moving freely on their springs and eventually cause more wear, loss of power etc. Sorry I am so opinionated on the subject but I have spoken to a few of the true rotary experts and they just laugh it off and say "when willpeople ever learn"

BlackStealth

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You do realise that Mazda had a significant part in researching and developing a premix, right? And that they do infact use this in there racing cars? Furthermore, it will not mess up your seals at all - it get's rid of carbon and gunk if anything.
To finally add - I need this in my application because I have a turbo in my car and I need the added lubrication. Maybe it is you who is misinformed to the facts?

plain ole wanker

Trolling at 1,367 and counting
SOSDD

01Racing

Dude we all use premix in our race cars its at 100:1 ratio. We delete the factory oil metering pump and lines and then we premix. Did you also know that we clean our fuel filters and pumps every 5-7 hours because it has oil residue in it and restricts the flow? We also have to tear apart our Carbs ever 8 hours and remove the oil thats starting to clog it. Think about how your fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator and fuel injectors will react to something that was never meant to go through them.

BlackStealth

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I have thought about that - and I have inspected my fuel pump, filter, and if its still operating at the correct air/fuel ratio's. There was absoultly no negative effect, nor any observable clogging or cleaning that needed to be done using Idemitsu after many months of daily driving.
If you use other premix oils - who knows how it will effect your filters and flow....

The point is - you are making premix sound like its the devil and you are a complete moron if you use it. Complete nonsense, and you even outright say you use it yourself. It depends on your application and to be honest, I'd still use it on a stock car (maybe not a 100:1 ratio... but I would occasionally use it nontheless)

TheWulf

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First off, most people don't premix 100:1. Most people (that I know) still running the OMP premix at about 400:1 for daily driving and twice that for a track day. Yes, 100:1 is probably more adequate if you aren't running an OMP at all and track the car, but that's not the case for most people here.

Secondly, (I know there's a thread about this somewhere) why is it that on most of Mazda's ECU updates, the OMP rates keep going up, and for the S2 they added the extra injector (among MANY revisions to the OMP system)? There's clearly a deficiency here and Mazda knows it, but they need to keep the car "consumer friendly" or sales go down the toilet (I mean, moreso than now). Why else do you think they had to extend the warranty to 8y/160k?

Third - looking at many teardown and rebuild threads, one thing stands out very clearly: scorch marks on the rotor housings where the OMP doesn't drip. What does that tell you? Poor lubrication. The OMP design is pretty poor, it only covers a fraction of the rotor housing surface.

Bottom line: there's more information about this topic than any other on this forum. If you take time to read the research that several people have made, you can come up with answers for yourself. Just keep a few things in mind:

- There are a LOT of credible people here. Not all of them will always agree but you'll usually find a clear majority on most topics
- Yes, the RX-8 is a rotary. That doesn't make it a 7 and you can't always assume that what works for a 7 is gospel for the 8.

One thing that almost everyone will agree on however, is that a Sohn OMP adapter is a solid investment if you intend to keep your OMP.

BlackStealth

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SO! Now that we've established premix is generally a good thing - Who wants to share the costs and buy some?

TheWulf

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They don't give discounts on shipping if you order more since it's so heavy so I wouldn't worry about getting more orders. I go through about a case per year since I run it with the OMP adapter as well.

nate340

this forum has really become a sad place to be its why many of us have left. just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them a troll.

when i first herd about premixing i thought the same things as 01Racing. after doing some reading you can understand why Mazda would intentionally inject as little oil as possible.

i use lucas premix its designed to flow cleanly through fuel filters in sleds. i notice a better idle better gas mileage and feels to overall run better while premixed. just like everything in life moderation is key.

ill be pulling my engine shorty and look forward to seeing the overall wear after 70 000km since its been premixed since day 1

s3tpwr

yes my price is high because i purchased when the us dollar was at 1.30
now with it being close to par my next stock order will be delivered end of march and prices will reduce to 9.00 per qt of premix taxes inclusive
sean

s3tpwr

as far as clogging up fuel pumps injectors issues
all i can say is with all my race engines and street engines all from stock to high horsepower i have not had any issues.
i actually seen horsepower increase in using there engine oils proven on my dyno
it is very important to premix with or without an oil metering pump.
the reliability of the engine is based on lubricating the internal engine seals
sean

DarkBrew

Opinions are like ********... everyone has one.
But forums seem to have more of both.

If there was one correct, evidence based, reviewed and vetted answer we wouldn't have all these oil and premix threads.

My opinion is that the use of the Access port and a Sohn adapter allow the use of oils designed for combustion chambers to be used in sufficient quantity to render premix unnecessary.
My only worry here is the failure of the OMP or the oil injection system. Monitoring oil consumption can reassure things are working but I plan to inspect my oiling system fully this spring.

01Racing

What I am saying is when you premix your changing a computer monitered factory setting that is injecting at a very precise time and amount. When you premix the oil will sink to the bottom of your tank when its sits for any amount of time. On initial start up you will get a big push of oil through the fuel system etc. Again, thats why we dont leave fuel in the fuel cell in the race car. Usually after a race we pump it back into the gas cans if there is any left. I can tell you from only 22 years with Mazda as a dealer/racer that some things are better left the way the factory sets them. If they have a ECU flash to change something, it again is a precisly monitored amount done by a computer, not poured into a gas tank to make its own way into the engine.

plain ole wanker

It's sad when so many don't know how a post works maybe that's where you should start. No where in the original thread post did he ask if premix was good or bad thing to do. There is another thread for that debate. However, like many do just because they see something they don't agree with they are going to post even though it has absolutely nothing do for answer for the op that is called a thread hijack. The hijacker is only looking to start a debate/inflame off topic of op that is called a troll.

Sorry op for this hijack of thread maybe some will get a clue.

DarkBrew

Maybe just call them (or us) out for thread-jacking instead of name calling??

Chad D.

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There are other options if Idemitsu seems too expensive. Lucas as stated above is one of them. Amsoil Saber Pro is also another favorite. I use legend zx2sr, another 2stroke for sleds. It mixes better than the others, I tested in the cold weather too. It is my favorite out of the four.
Keep your eye out because sometimes Idemitsu goes up in the for sale section.
You obviously are looking to premix so drama aside, I've put lawn boy, echo, esso you name it and my fuel filter was fine, my fuel pump was fine. I mix 300:1 btw, omp on. Cobb tuned.
Happy Rotoring!

StealthTL

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I like Idemitsu, I like how all their products are called 'Racing' on the bottle - makes the oil seem really fast.

For those who seek the best premix, just use one that meets the JASO-FD standard. The Lucas mentioned above is the older 'FC' quality, so more smoke, less lubricity and more coke laydown.

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Chad D.

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Probably why Lucas isn't my favorite. Legend says Extreme on the bottle, that's why I buy it. lol/

0413B

wouldnt some factory based support be great? it makes way too much sense that mazda would help us rotary owners.

TheWulf

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People are already complaining that "it burns oil" and they have to top it up. Imagine if they had to maintain a separate container of premix and buy a different kind of oil? And what happens when that premix tank gets too low?

Too much of a headache to get support from the factory for a niche market.

BlackStealth

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Guess they'd rather replace a bunch of engines and extend the warranty instead...

Can't really blame them though - rotary power is still quite underdeveloped compared to piston engines, so it makes sense why they try and make it seem like its just as convienient and reliable.

I for one like having something the general public isn't aware of and the feeling of being part of an 'experimental' engine