Need new coils
02-27-2009, 08:23 AM
#103
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02-27-2009, 08:43 AM
#104
As relates the "warranty" element of the discussion; I am pretty sure BHR has Mazda and their dealer network beat on that one. However, in the broader context of the discussion that we are having some may view the importance of the warranty matter as varying.
That said, if we all step back and objectively assess what it is we THINK we know about every product we buy in our daily lives, no matter how big or small, we will see that we know very little about things we take for granted and use every day.
If we all exercised the same scrutiny regarding clothes washers, vacuum cleaners, televisions, even the houses we live in, that we are subjecting the BHR Ignition System to if any of us would ever actually make the commitment and buy ANYTHING. The point I am making is that scrutiny, scepticism, and doubt, are all proper and expected. I invite that. However, how many of you know the specs and quality-of-build of the motors and transmissions used in your clothes washers? How many of you KNOW that the motors in your vacuum cleaners are actually drawing 12 amps like the sticker on the chassis says? How many of you have measured the electrical characteristics of the deflector board in your television? How about the slew rate of the power amplifier in your beloved home stereo?
At some point in all this, what we really count on is whether or not others like what they are getting for their money and whether or not a given company will stand behind their products. At least, in analyzing my own purchasing decisions, I have discovered that I try to be as objective and analytical as I can but, in the end, it really boils down to how much I TRUST the company whose stuff I am buying.
That said, if we all step back and objectively assess what it is we THINK we know about every product we buy in our daily lives, no matter how big or small, we will see that we know very little about things we take for granted and use every day.
If we all exercised the same scrutiny regarding clothes washers, vacuum cleaners, televisions, even the houses we live in, that we are subjecting the BHR Ignition System to if any of us would ever actually make the commitment and buy ANYTHING. The point I am making is that scrutiny, scepticism, and doubt, are all proper and expected. I invite that. However, how many of you know the specs and quality-of-build of the motors and transmissions used in your clothes washers? How many of you KNOW that the motors in your vacuum cleaners are actually drawing 12 amps like the sticker on the chassis says? How many of you have measured the electrical characteristics of the deflector board in your television? How about the slew rate of the power amplifier in your beloved home stereo?
At some point in all this, what we really count on is whether or not others like what they are getting for their money and whether or not a given company will stand behind their products. At least, in analyzing my own purchasing decisions, I have discovered that I try to be as objective and analytical as I can but, in the end, it really boils down to how much I TRUST the company whose stuff I am buying.
Last edited by Charles R. Hill; 02-27-2009 at 08:54 AM.
02-27-2009, 10:56 AM
#105
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As relates the "warranty" element of the discussion; I am pretty sure BHR has Mazda and their dealer network beat on that one. However, in the broader context of the discussion that we are having some may view the importance of the warranty matter as varying.
That said, if we all step back and objectively assess what it is we THINK we know about every product we buy in our daily lives, no matter how big or small, we will see that we know very little about things we take for granted and use every day.
If we all exercised the same scrutiny regarding clothes washers, vacuum cleaners, televisions, even the houses we live in, that we are subjecting the BHR Ignition System to if any of us would ever actually make the commitment and buy ANYTHING. The point I am making is that scrutiny, scepticism, and doubt, are all proper and expected. I invite that. However, how many of you know the specs and quality-of-build of the motors and transmissions used in your clothes washers? How many of you KNOW that the motors in your vacuum cleaners are actually drawing 12 amps like the sticker on the chassis says? How many of you have measured the electrical characteristics of the deflector board in your television? How about the slew rate of the power amplifier in your beloved home stereo?
At some point in all this, what we really count on is whether or not others like what they are getting for their money and whether or not a given company will stand behind their products. At least, in analyzing my own purchasing decisions, I have discovered that I try to be as objective and analytical as I can but, in the end, it really boils down to how much I TRUST the company whose stuff I am buying.
That said, if we all step back and objectively assess what it is we THINK we know about every product we buy in our daily lives, no matter how big or small, we will see that we know very little about things we take for granted and use every day.
If we all exercised the same scrutiny regarding clothes washers, vacuum cleaners, televisions, even the houses we live in, that we are subjecting the BHR Ignition System to if any of us would ever actually make the commitment and buy ANYTHING. The point I am making is that scrutiny, scepticism, and doubt, are all proper and expected. I invite that. However, how many of you know the specs and quality-of-build of the motors and transmissions used in your clothes washers? How many of you KNOW that the motors in your vacuum cleaners are actually drawing 12 amps like the sticker on the chassis says? How many of you have measured the electrical characteristics of the deflector board in your television? How about the slew rate of the power amplifier in your beloved home stereo?
At some point in all this, what we really count on is whether or not others like what they are getting for their money and whether or not a given company will stand behind their products. At least, in analyzing my own purchasing decisions, I have discovered that I try to be as objective and analytical as I can but, in the end, it really boils down to how much I TRUST the company whose stuff I am buying.
02-27-2009, 11:11 AM
#106
As regard the benefits of using the Yukon coil with the RX-8 (N/A or otherwise), whether in the BHR kit or not, it is my firm belief that there are benefits and we have all been discussing this for MONTHS. If you don't want to believe what we at BHR have been telling you and what those who actually HAVE the kits on their cars have been testifying to, that is your choice.
Feel free to patronize BHR's competition with your ignition needs and please note that the entire CONCEPT of a plug and play harness for LS2/Yukon coil use with the RX-8 is already patented by BHR.
I am through talking to brick walls.
Last edited by Charles R. Hill; 02-27-2009 at 11:15 AM.
02-27-2009, 12:04 PM
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Damn guys... If you dont want the parts dont get them, its as simple as that.
From what i have been reading Charles is getting beaten on for standing behind his product but not wanting to give away some information that could be used by his competitors. This is totaly normal in any busines!
From what i have been reading Charles is getting beaten on for standing behind his product but not wanting to give away some information that could be used by his competitors. This is totaly normal in any busines!
02-27-2009, 12:04 PM
#108
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Free trust? My history here, not just as a member but also as a vendor, will show that I have earned every bit of the trust people instill in me. Ask anybody who has done actual business with me. Not one person has been screwed out of money, shorted on parts, nor mislead about what to expect from me. Why do you suppose not one of those who bought my infamous BHR/SPEC clutches from me has any complaint with me?
As regard the benefits of using the Yukon coil with the RX-8 (N/A or otherwise), whether in the BHR kit or not, it is my firm belief that there are benefits and we have all been discussing this for MONTHS. If you don't want to believe what we at BHR have been telling you and what those who actually HAVE the kits on their cars have been testifying to, that is your choice.
Feel free to patronize BHR's competition with your ignition needs and please note that the entire CONCEPT of a plug and play harness for LS2/Yukon coil use with the RX-8 is already patented by BHR.
I am through talking to brick walls.
As regard the benefits of using the Yukon coil with the RX-8 (N/A or otherwise), whether in the BHR kit or not, it is my firm belief that there are benefits and we have all been discussing this for MONTHS. If you don't want to believe what we at BHR have been telling you and what those who actually HAVE the kits on their cars have been testifying to, that is your choice.
Feel free to patronize BHR's competition with your ignition needs and please note that the entire CONCEPT of a plug and play harness for LS2/Yukon coil use with the RX-8 is already patented by BHR.
I am through talking to brick walls.
02-27-2009, 12:09 PM
#109
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Damn guys... If you dont want the parts dont get them, its as simple as that.
From what i have been reading Charles is getting beaten on for standing behind his product but not wanting to give away some information that could be used by his competitors. This is totaly normal in any busines!
From what i have been reading Charles is getting beaten on for standing behind his product but not wanting to give away some information that could be used by his competitors. This is totaly normal in any busines!
02-27-2009, 12:28 PM
#110
I showed mine to the service manager and master tech at my local Mazda dealer and they thought they were great. Having to change coils all the time with misfiring RX8's. He was impressed with a product that would not fail like Mazda's do.
I don't understand what your trying to do robrecht, other than cause drama.
Sheesh!
02-27-2009, 12:35 PM
#111
I was going to contribute something data-driven here but, after reading the whole thread, I can see it would be a waste of time.
I'll just add this:
OE coils suck. This is well substantiated in thread after thread after thread.
I went through almost two dozen of the little beasties in three years.
Their failure is gradual, not a complete loss of power, so you would have to be constantly beating the crap out of your car and testing it day in and day out.
Which is exactly what I do.
I played around with several possible solutions in 2006 - 2007 and came up with this one at the end of 2007 and implemented it at the beginning of 2008.
It works, it doesn't fail and that is that.
My only criteria in designing this system was that it works. No more, no less.
I wasn't looking for it to make power - just allow the engine to make the power it should with the available air and fuel I supply it.
If you armchair engineers out there need more quantifiable data to get your dick hard, then I recommend you go out, buy your own parts and do whatever it is you are demanding of us, because we don't care.
Really we don't.
We built it. It does what we want. We put it on our cars and beat the **** out of it - day after day, track event after track event.
If you don't like it, shove it up your ***. Your prostate will thank you.
That is all.
I'll just add this:
OE coils suck. This is well substantiated in thread after thread after thread.
I went through almost two dozen of the little beasties in three years.
Their failure is gradual, not a complete loss of power, so you would have to be constantly beating the crap out of your car and testing it day in and day out.
Which is exactly what I do.
I played around with several possible solutions in 2006 - 2007 and came up with this one at the end of 2007 and implemented it at the beginning of 2008.
It works, it doesn't fail and that is that.
My only criteria in designing this system was that it works. No more, no less.
I wasn't looking for it to make power - just allow the engine to make the power it should with the available air and fuel I supply it.
If you armchair engineers out there need more quantifiable data to get your dick hard, then I recommend you go out, buy your own parts and do whatever it is you are demanding of us, because we don't care.
Really we don't.
We built it. It does what we want. We put it on our cars and beat the **** out of it - day after day, track event after track event.
If you don't like it, shove it up your ***. Your prostate will thank you.
That is all.
Last edited by MazdaManiac; 02-27-2009 at 12:39 PM.
02-27-2009, 02:23 PM
#120
Power!!
We needed to replace a part in our 5-year-old refrigerator last weekend. Imagine the repairman had said we had a choice between the OEM part for $120 with a 1-year warranty and an aftermarket part for $420, also with a 1-year warranty, but only for that part, and GE would probably try to deny any other future warranty claims on the refrigerator for the rest of its expected 100k life. The more expensive part was known to perform better if we decided to turbocharge or track our refrigerator. I think it would still be a fair question to ask if the $300-extra part is really needed for our non-turbo, totally stock application and why? If you can't or won't answer that simple question, Charles, don't expect a lot more free trust. It's not even scepticism and doubt--just a simple question for God's sake. Do you recommend your coils for a totally stock application and why?
More accurate:
The difference is the OEM part will fail every year and the warranty on your refrigerator will run out next year and the aftermarket part will last the life of your refrigerator. While it's more expensive to buy the aftermarket part you only have to pay the repairman once and buy the part once and your refrigerator will not crap out and melt your ice cream once a year for the next ten years.
I personally don't like fixing something over and over again or putting a part in my car or refrigerator that I know will just crap out again. Your call though...
And that is why I bought aftermarket coils in my totally stock application.
