Red Light Camera
11-09-2010 | 12:38 AM
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Down in the USA, they've had court challenges, protests, vandalism of cameras, and politicians who supported them have been booted from office.
ARE WE CANADIANS GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP? ALLOW THE RAPACIOUS GOVERNMENT TO THIEF OUR HARD-EARNED CASH IN THE NAME OF DUBIOUS, IF NOT NON-EXISTENT, SAFETY BENEFITS????
Probably...yes, we are.
ARE WE CANADIANS GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP? ALLOW THE RAPACIOUS GOVERNMENT TO THIEF OUR HARD-EARNED CASH IN THE NAME OF DUBIOUS, IF NOT NON-EXISTENT, SAFETY BENEFITS????
Probably...yes, we are.
11-09-2010 | 07:47 AM
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In my area, a few have been removed. But, most remain. They have only modified the rules in which they can issue tickets. For instance, they will not write tickets for a right turn on red.
One night, the front of my car crossed the stop line before coming to a complete stop in the right turn lane. I saw the flash. I sat there then waiting for the green light. I saw a second flash. I then knew that there would be two pictures of me stopped at the light and hoped that I wouldn't receive a ticket. To date, I haven't received one.
One night, the front of my car crossed the stop line before coming to a complete stop in the right turn lane. I saw the flash. I sat there then waiting for the green light. I saw a second flash. I then knew that there would be two pictures of me stopped at the light and hoped that I wouldn't receive a ticket. To date, I haven't received one.
11-09-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Do they still nail you if you go through a yellow but it turns red before you finish crossing the intersection ? Ive done that a few times last few days,. Hopefully i dont get one 
11-09-2010 | 03:28 PM
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I got one off of a right turn a few months back..needless to say i was not happy about it -_- but I learn to take 'extra' precaution around traffic lights that have red light cmaeras now.
Is this what your planning... 
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11-10-2010 | 01:25 PM
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11-10-2010 | 06:39 PM
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I can't believe we still have that going on... its ridiculous!
I've seen so many people try to fight these tickets. And they're always thrown out. No way to make it stick legitimately.
Yet another cash grab.
I've seen so many people try to fight these tickets. And they're always thrown out. No way to make it stick legitimately.
Yet another cash grab.
11-10-2010 | 07:17 PM
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In the States, they are a civil offense rather than a criminal offense. This means no trial by judge/jury. If you want to contest this kind of ticket you go before a hearing officer and you will loose. The only other way to contest the ticket is to sue the jurisdiction that issued it.
11-11-2010 | 07:46 AM
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In the States, they are a civil offense rather than a criminal offense. This means no trial by judge/jury. If you want to contest this kind of ticket you go before a hearing officer and you will loose. The only other way to contest the ticket is to sue the jurisdiction that issued it.
It's true they are a civil offense, which is an unethical Constitutional dodge around Article VI of the Bill of Rights so they don't have to present a witness and prove you were driving. They made it civil, like a parking ticket: Your car was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is not true that you will "loose". Many people have won, not only by suing the jurisdiction, but by attacking the premises of the ticket directly. If you don't fight it, the Kleptocrats always win. If you fight it, sometimes they might lose. There are some good articles here: http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/
If you want to get rid of the cameras, you have to fight, and join with others who fight. In the US, join the National Motorists Association. They are the people who were instrumental in eliminating the unconstitutional National Maximum Speed Law (55) in the 80's.
11-12-2010 | 12:50 PM
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No, if your car is past the first line before the light turns red, you're legally in the intersection and wont get ticketed. Only if you pass the line after the light turns red you will get a very expensive picture.
09-21-2012 | 05:37 AM
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Certainly, that would somehow work, but as what you have said you might receive a ticket for not following it. Apparently, speed cameras and by extension, red light cameras, aren't popular. Most individuals who take this for granted, get ticket by generally have earned it through ignoring the law. However, that hasn't kept them from resenting the presence of the machines, which has led to numerous occurrences of speed camera vandalism. Thus, only imply Governments are fighting back against speed camera vandalism.
09-21-2012 | 08:43 AM
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09-21-2012 | 06:27 PM
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What about plate covers that look benign, but prevent photos? (I know they're technically illegal, but if they look benign to the naked eye, then what's the harm right? :P )
09-22-2012 | 05:32 PM
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red light camera is 0 points cause they cant see whos driving, i just paid the fine, you will pay a lawyer more to fight it. It also shows the speed you were driving when you ran it. So if you were speeding, no point.
09-23-2012 | 09:28 AM
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It's about revenue generation.
It's about taxing you in such a way that you don't fight it because it's cheaper than fighting.
Read and learn:
Objections To Red Light Cameras | NMA
Objections To Speed Cameras | NMA
It hasn't reach this point yet, but failure to display a license plate is only a $40 no-points ticket, so long as the car is actually registered.
Where I live one is far less likely to get a ticket for that than to be caught by a red light or speed camera.
I anticipate within the next five years I'm going to stop displaying license plates alltogether. I already don't display a front plate and have only gotten 4 tickets in the last 15 years.
09-23-2012 | 01:11 PM
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Which TomTom model have you got? I had a Blackberry app that was supposed to integrate with maps, and notify you of cameras. Never seemed to work as described though.
What about plate covers that look benign, but prevent photos? (I know they're technically illegal, but if they look benign to the naked eye, then what's the harm right? :P )
What about plate covers that look benign, but prevent photos? (I know they're technically illegal, but if they look benign to the naked eye, then what's the harm right? :P )
