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Originally posted by oilman
ME TOO! SORT OF..............
let's hope the promised letter arrives soon and is full of good news!
Reasons to be cheerfull 1,2,3...........
1. You're cars early
2. You're entitled to £500 worth of accessories
3. Car is 231ps
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Oilman
ME TOO! SORT OF..............
let's hope the promised letter arrives soon and is full of good news!
Reasons to be cheerfull 1,2,3...........
1. You're cars early
2. You're entitled to £500 worth of accessories
3. Car is 231ps
Cheers
Oilman
Well No. 3 has been confirmed, so just 1. and 2. to go now!
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Originally posted by ChrisW
It has??
It has??
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...4&pagenumber=3
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Rotary Virgins
As Mr Rogers has pointed out most of us are rotary virgins and it was not the engine but the looks, 4 seats and prices which attracted us initially.
What I don't really understand is why most of the reviews talk about lack of torque or power at certain revs but rotary slaves deny this and everytime this is mentioned the reviewer is blamed for not understanding the engine etc.
I am just very much hoping that our rotary enthusiasts know what they are talking about and they are not seeing this car through rose tinted glasses because I do not have the experience. It has been their continual positive vibes which have kept me interested otherwise I may have gone some long time ago.
I love reading the positive reviews from new owners especially if they have other 'performance' car comparisons. My only hesitation in taking it all on board is that as the 8 is a affordable sports car allowing relatively easy access and I do wonder what car it is being compared to (ie previous cars). It only has value if the 8 is being compared to a similar car, not a Fiat 500 say. The young age of some of our owners in the States makes some of the reviews a waste of time too.
Apologies but this has been a crap week. Hopefully those testing this week-end will revert with positive news.
rael.
What I don't really understand is why most of the reviews talk about lack of torque or power at certain revs but rotary slaves deny this and everytime this is mentioned the reviewer is blamed for not understanding the engine etc.
I am just very much hoping that our rotary enthusiasts know what they are talking about and they are not seeing this car through rose tinted glasses because I do not have the experience. It has been their continual positive vibes which have kept me interested otherwise I may have gone some long time ago.
I love reading the positive reviews from new owners especially if they have other 'performance' car comparisons. My only hesitation in taking it all on board is that as the 8 is a affordable sports car allowing relatively easy access and I do wonder what car it is being compared to (ie previous cars). It only has value if the 8 is being compared to a similar car, not a Fiat 500 say. The young age of some of our owners in the States makes some of the reviews a waste of time too.
Apologies but this has been a crap week. Hopefully those testing this week-end will revert with positive news.
rael.
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Originally posted by MarkW
Bottom of this page:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...4&pagenumber=3
Bottom of this page:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...4&pagenumber=3
We are being asked to believe that our cars are actually more powerful than the US cars appear to be. I think that requires some explanation, especially as the assumption was always that our cars would be less powerful.
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Originally posted by ChrisW
Well what else could Mazda say in response to that question? [about UK horsepower]. Unless somebody gives them the go-ahead to revise the figure downwards then that is their answer. It doesn't make it true.
We are being asked to believe that our cars are actually more powerful than the US cars appear to be. I think that requires some explanation, especially as the assumption was always that our cars would be less powerful.
Well what else could Mazda say in response to that question? [about UK horsepower]. Unless somebody gives them the go-ahead to revise the figure downwards then that is their answer. It doesn't make it true.
We are being asked to believe that our cars are actually more powerful than the US cars appear to be. I think that requires some explanation, especially as the assumption was always that our cars would be less powerful.
Until we get customer cars and get them on the dyno, there is no ultimate proof. We have confirmation from Mazda that this is the stated power output and that is good enough for me.
If it subsequently proves to not be the case then I would expect a buyback or servicing agreement like the US.
I know we are all pi$$ed off at the moment, but sometimes conspiracy theories can be taken too far......
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can't Mazda see that all we want is some honesty here and to keep us informed? Good or bad, just tell.
I've defended Mazda in the past because I know big organisations make mistakes and will continue to. But surely, they have learnt the lesson by now...
I've defended Mazda in the past because I know big organisations make mistakes and will continue to. But surely, they have learnt the lesson by now...
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I don't know about you but, friends and family lost faith a long time ago and simply can't understand why I'm taking all this crap from MAZDA.
My wife has only stayed onside because I bought her a brand new JEEP Grand Cherokee 2.7CRD a month ago!!
Having said that, the Dealer gave me £3000 off and a good p/x.
If Mazda does the same, they can gaurantee my loyalty into 2004.
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Oilman
My wife has only stayed onside because I bought her a brand new JEEP Grand Cherokee 2.7CRD a month ago!!
Having said that, the Dealer gave me £3000 off and a good p/x.
If Mazda does the same, they can gaurantee my loyalty into 2004.
Cheers
Oilman
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sorry i feel similar to renegade and oilman
firstly i ordered in january for july - naturally proud and pleased -this fact was announced to friends and family. now every conversation i have revolves around 'where's this brilliant car then?' answer: 'don't know'.
not only have mazda (that is mazda japan i guess) throughly p****d me off, but they are rapidly turning me into a laughing stock.
as renegade pointed out where's the fairness in all this? i gave mazda my money before half the guys in the states now driving Rx8s even knew what they were.
to give the US and japan larger initial runs and then second runs before we've even had one for europe doesnt make me feel like a valued customer of course the lack of any information just adds to the situation.
in summary i blame japan for the delay and the uk for the lack of information. i AM ready to cancel i cant take this uninformed wait much longer the excitement went long ago. £25K could get me a lovely oak double garage, workshop and playroom. and in the garage? in two years time an RX8 for £12K
firstly i ordered in january for july - naturally proud and pleased -this fact was announced to friends and family. now every conversation i have revolves around 'where's this brilliant car then?' answer: 'don't know'.
not only have mazda (that is mazda japan i guess) throughly p****d me off, but they are rapidly turning me into a laughing stock.
as renegade pointed out where's the fairness in all this? i gave mazda my money before half the guys in the states now driving Rx8s even knew what they were.
to give the US and japan larger initial runs and then second runs before we've even had one for europe doesnt make me feel like a valued customer of course the lack of any information just adds to the situation.
in summary i blame japan for the delay and the uk for the lack of information. i AM ready to cancel i cant take this uninformed wait much longer the excitement went long ago. £25K could get me a lovely oak double garage, workshop and playroom. and in the garage? in two years time an RX8 for £12K
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yup, i get asked "when are you getting your car?" about four times a day, even though i've been saying november for a while now (I thought it best to be pesimistic!!)
they've made me look stupid already, hopefully they won't be doing it again.
they've made me look stupid already, hopefully they won't be doing it again.
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Originally posted by MarkW
Until we get customer cars and get them on the dyno, there is no ultimate proof. We have confirmation from Mazda that this is the stated power output and that is good enough for me.
If it subsequently proves to not be the case then I would expect a buyback or servicing agreement like the US.
I know we are all pi$$ed off at the moment, but sometimes conspiracy theories can be taken too far......
Until we get customer cars and get them on the dyno, there is no ultimate proof. We have confirmation from Mazda that this is the stated power output and that is good enough for me.
If it subsequently proves to not be the case then I would expect a buyback or servicing agreement like the US.
I know we are all pi$$ed off at the moment, but sometimes conspiracy theories can be taken too far......
If Mazda's US horsepower claims were right then I would need to believe in conspiracy theories to explain the US dyno results.
If our cars have 10 hp less power than the US cars then we are probably looking at 200-215 hp. Even if this were true, I would still consider buying the car. Given its relatively low weight it should still have decent performance. And as others have said, it's not all about straight line speed. I just want Mazda to start telling the truth and make me feel I can trust them.
Right now 228 hp for the Euro car is not credible. Mazda need to explain either:
1) why the US horsepower figures are correct, in spite of the dyno results. OR
2) why the Euro spec cars actually have more power than the US cars.
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Just a thought for this thread which I'm surprised isn't the largest in history at this precise moment.
If the cars will be rushed to us and the accessories are Dealer fitted what guarantee to we have that ordered accessories won't hold up our cars?
Based on our experience so far we will probably be told to return our cars to our Dealers 6 months later to have accessories fitted having paid for them
Any thoughts guys?
Cheers
Oilman
If the cars will be rushed to us and the accessories are Dealer fitted what guarantee to we have that ordered accessories won't hold up our cars?
Based on our experience so far we will probably be told to return our cars to our Dealers 6 months later to have accessories fitted having paid for them
Any thoughts guys?
Cheers
Oilman
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Oilman
I am very worried about this possibility. I'm afraid that although at the pre-order day, there were sample items there with prices, which was good, there wasn't more substance - like I couldn't order anything, or know when or where they would be fitted. I asked also about the mazdaspeed kit - no information at all.
It seems like there is sparse info on them at the moment, but I guess you can't blame the dealers as there is sparse info (and misleading from the phone calls recently made) on the car itself!
I am very worried about this possibility. I'm afraid that although at the pre-order day, there were sample items there with prices, which was good, there wasn't more substance - like I couldn't order anything, or know when or where they would be fitted. I asked also about the mazdaspeed kit - no information at all.
It seems like there is sparse info on them at the moment, but I guess you can't blame the dealers as there is sparse info (and misleading from the phone calls recently made) on the car itself!
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Well I have the promised letter telling me delivery month but not the accessory brochure that I thought would be with it.
Don't Mazda realise that it's much easier to sell these fitted to the car before delivery rather than relying on us going back for them at a later date? We'll all get used to our cars without strafes and rotary accents and the prices will seem even more silly then.
Don't Mazda realise that it's much easier to sell these fitted to the car before delivery rather than relying on us going back for them at a later date? We'll all get used to our cars without strafes and rotary accents and the prices will seem even more silly then.
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Fantastic leter,
November...
Padding...
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Alistair Campbell himself would be proud of that third from last paragraph.
"Winner of the automotive world's most coveted acolades, your faith in the Mazda RX-8 as a truly revolutionary vehicle has been confirmed."
what does that mean??
November...
Padding...
Padding...
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Alistair Campbell himself would be proud of that third from last paragraph.
"Winner of the automotive world's most coveted acolades, your faith in the Mazda RX-8 as a truly revolutionary vehicle has been confirmed."
what does that mean??
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Originally posted by oilman
Just a thought for this thread which I'm surprised isn't the largest in history at this precise moment.
If the cars will be rushed to us and the accessories are Dealer fitted what guarantee to we have that ordered accessories won't hold up our cars?
Based on our experience so far we will probably be told to return our cars to our Dealers 6 months later to have accessories fitted having paid for them
Any thoughts guys?
Cheers
Oilman
Just a thought for this thread which I'm surprised isn't the largest in history at this precise moment.
If the cars will be rushed to us and the accessories are Dealer fitted what guarantee to we have that ordered accessories won't hold up our cars?
Based on our experience so far we will probably be told to return our cars to our Dealers 6 months later to have accessories fitted having paid for them
Any thoughts guys?
Cheers
Oilman
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Originally posted by KEF
Fantastic leter,
"Winner of the automotive world's most coveted acolades, your faith in the Mazda RX-8 as a truly revolutionary vehicle has been confirmed."
what does that mean??
Fantastic leter,
"Winner of the automotive world's most coveted acolades, your faith in the Mazda RX-8 as a truly revolutionary vehicle has been confirmed."
what does that mean??
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Originally posted by ChrisW
It seems increasingly clear that the US cars do not make anything like 238 hp and in fact are below the 228 hp claimed for the Euro cars. There are, potentially, innocent explanations for these dyno results (special procedures that need to be followed, mileage switch, ECU makes car difficult to dyno...etc). But if they were true then Mazda could have made a statement and ended all this controversy long ago. Their silence is beginning to speak louder and louder.
If Mazda's US horsepower claims were right then I would need to believe in conspiracy theories to explain the US dyno results.
If our cars have 10 hp less power than the US cars then we are probably looking at 200-215 hp. Even if this were true, I would still consider buying the car. Given its relatively low weight it should still have decent performance. And as others have said, it's not all about straight line speed. I just want Mazda to start telling the truth and make me feel I can trust them.
Right now 228 hp for the Euro car is not credible. Mazda need to explain either:
1) why the US horsepower figures are correct, in spite of the dyno results. OR
2) why the Euro spec cars actually have more power than the US cars.
It seems increasingly clear that the US cars do not make anything like 238 hp and in fact are below the 228 hp claimed for the Euro cars. There are, potentially, innocent explanations for these dyno results (special procedures that need to be followed, mileage switch, ECU makes car difficult to dyno...etc). But if they were true then Mazda could have made a statement and ended all this controversy long ago. Their silence is beginning to speak louder and louder.
If Mazda's US horsepower claims were right then I would need to believe in conspiracy theories to explain the US dyno results.
If our cars have 10 hp less power than the US cars then we are probably looking at 200-215 hp. Even if this were true, I would still consider buying the car. Given its relatively low weight it should still have decent performance. And as others have said, it's not all about straight line speed. I just want Mazda to start telling the truth and make me feel I can trust them.
Right now 228 hp for the Euro car is not credible. Mazda need to explain either:
1) why the US horsepower figures are correct, in spite of the dyno results. OR
2) why the Euro spec cars actually have more power than the US cars.
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Looks like mazda had a tougher job getting the 8 to meet cali emmisions law.
If thats close to Euro4 then we shouldt be down on as much power as compared to what we though.
Euro car may still make 231ps.
If thats close to Euro4 then we shouldt be down on as much power as compared to what we though.
Euro car may still make 231ps.
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Originally posted by RobDickinson
Looks like mazda had a tougher job getting the 8 to meet cali emmisions law.
If thats close to Euro4 then we shouldt be down on as much power as compared to what we though.
Euro car may still make 231ps.
Looks like mazda had a tougher job getting the 8 to meet cali emmisions law.
If thats close to Euro4 then we shouldt be down on as much power as compared to what we though.
Euro car may still make 231ps.
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So lets see. Power scecualtion now down to 220 (ish) BHP, so originally 230 (ish) BHP. What shall we say, £100 refund per 1 BHP lost, as compensation about £1000 then. Sorry still would'nt be enough due to all the inconvinence. Lets call it £2K off list and we'll all be happy.
Better still, wait for the cars to come, take delivery and;
1. Delay payment just like delayed cars, for 4 months
2. Pay them cash and pay entire (bar 20p) amount in 1p pieces, and it should take a while to count it all. Realising the may have miscounted, due to 20p missing, they have to recount.
Sorry haing a silly moment.:p
AnilS.
Better still, wait for the cars to come, take delivery and;
1. Delay payment just like delayed cars, for 4 months
2. Pay them cash and pay entire (bar 20p) amount in 1p pieces, and it should take a while to count it all. Realising the may have miscounted, due to 20p missing, they have to recount.
Sorry haing a silly moment.:p
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