hiltonnick

Hi - I'm new to the board and have just registered. Have got a 231 (not 240!) on order (EP843)

Just got off the phone from Mazda Insurance and Mazda customer serices and am very un-amused about the following:

- can't get a quote from Mazda insurance until July but they admitted vehicle will have to have a tracker. However Mazda didnt know this and said the 231 was a group 19 !
- drop in horse power from 250 (originally when I ordered) to 240 to 231
- no cruise control. Not excluded at the time I ordered. I do 400 miles a month with CC on the A30/303 and its not even an option in the UK
- no spare. I travel alot at night and the foam cans are useless. My existing car has similar size tyres and they puncture VERY easily
- rediculously low 3 year value of £8K from Mazda finance which will have an immediate effect on the second hand value of the cars

While only a tiny percentage of RX8 owners use this site I think we should all get on the phone to Mazda and voice our disatisfaction. The Americans wouldnt put up with it !

If I dont get satisfactory answers then I will not be taking the car
What's the premium on these (if any?) and where is the best place to advertize ?

renegade_si

curious when did you pre-order and with which dealer?

MarkW

hiltonnick,

There was a lot of negativity on the board a few weeks ago. Most of us seem to have got over it, and there has been a lot of positive news of late.

I can clarify that the insurance for the 231ps will be group 16E not 19. It has not been stated whether they will require a tracker, although I would think it unlikely on a group 16 car.

With regard to 231ps, we were all disappointed in the drop, but at the end of the day it is only 9ps (about 8bhp), and the quoted 0-60 of 6.4 is still a good figure. We will have to see after the car is launched, if there are any performance options that become available.

Cruise Control has never been offered on the UK car. It was shown on the pre-production cars, but that is for the JDM/US markets. Most cars have cruise control in these countries as std, but not in the UK, so in that respect the RX8 is no different to any other car.
It is perhaps a shame it is not an option in the UK, but I would think the majority of people wouldnt want it on our congested roads. Ive had it on several previous cars and never used it.

The spare tyre is available as an extra if you want it and arent comfortable with the repair kit. There has not been much discussion of this so Im unsure how people feel. I must admit having always had one it is a bit concerning.

The £8k after 3 years is very low and would be worrying if true. However, I know that Mazda are currently working on projecting residuals with independant organisations such as CAP, and these figures are not out yet. I would wait for the official estimates before panicing.

I have some contact with Mazda and they are doing what they can to keep us informed.

I know how you feel as Ive been there, but there are still a huge number of positives about this car, so look at what you are still getting for your money instead.

(Someone will likely call me a hypocrite now as I was saying the same things as you only a month or so ago )

AnilS

Hiltonnick, you ordered the car but seems you did not do your homework on it or read this forum beforehand!

AnilS.

rael

Not everyone who has ordered is on this forum, in fact we are in the clear minority.

Also the forum has probably resulted in us being more pi$$ed off as information received results in a roller coaster ride.

Ignorance and believing dealers may be a better option to the half-truths and rumours we deal in.

rael

morganrogers

mein gott !

I agree with rael..... ! !

rael

Steady Mr Rogers..........

hiltonnick

Your points generally accepted MarkW and I was incorrect about the insurance - it is 16E but the E stands for enhanced and means that we all require a Tracker (or similar). I was also told by Michael Davy of Mazda that I could have a spare tyre FOC, so at least they are making some concessions locally.

However the main point hacking me off is the delivery date, which I was told was now 2nd week September and could go out further if Jap demand remained strong. I know this is not the fault of Mazda UK but its up to them to give the feedback to Japan if everyone complains.

RobDickinson

Thats not whar the 'E' stands for!

It means it has Exceeded its origional groups security and has been lowered a group because of this. :P

hiltonnick You seem to be despratly trying to find fault with mazda over this.

We all have known there is no spare tyre since launch. Its a worry, I might get the spare but leave in the garage for when I need to replace a spray fixed tyre.

As to delivery date the ony thing thats pushing it back is a 1 month wait for mazda to sort out some quality issues.

As mazda come out top or near on reliability and quality I'm willing to give them the time to get things right.

cw007

I concur with Rob on this one,

However if Mazda UK have one fault it is the "spin" they give us on everything from delivery/launch dates. And the "it will be on the website Friday PM".

My wife has a mazda 323 and compared to the previous french crap she has had for the past 5 years its no comparison.

I would say pound for pound Japanese cars beat there european competitors hands down in pretty much every area.

That includes the Beamers/mercs. I mean look at what your getting for your money. Compare this with the european counterparty and you can stick 10 grand on the list price and then shed loads for options.

oilman

Please correct me if I'm wrong but 16E is only 1 away from 17, I'm not complaining as its much better than 19.

Used to be in the insurance trade and will contact one of my old buddies but E is the highest for any band.

Cheers
Oilman

cw007

Oil, i think it is 1 away form 17.

still better than 19/20 than originally anticipated.

RobDickinson

Isnt that what I said?

It should have been in grp 17 but because of its security implimentation it was reduced to the top of the lower group.

Now I'm looking at £800-£950 a year I Think

cw007

Im thinking that myself Rob around the same figure.


I got quoted for a X Type before i saw sense and then it was with 4 years no claims was around 1000

Ive now got 6years no claims and should expect around the grand mark.

Last year i was quoted 1100 for the Honda S2000

im 35 (tomorrow) married and dont live in London. The previous quotes for london N postcodes...

KEF

what did you thnik of the X type, based on Top Gear earlier in the week sound's like you can pick up a decent spec 2.5V6 for the same as the 8,

but if they've discounted them already what's that going to do to residuals?

rael

Isn't the X-type a Mondeo in drag?

cw007

Real,

I was test driving a 2.5 V6 sport model but was going to buy the 3.0 sport

X type was a nice car to drive, interior is nothing like an S Type for space and luxury. The chassis is im sure you know is a mondeo and drives like one. Solid and reliable but with a JAG badge. This car has brought jags to the common man but i cant help thinking that it makes Jags become less desirable. The build quality is questionable. Joints not quite fitting to what you would expect from Jaguar. The overall feel of the car says to me that they took an existing very workable and good chassis and fitted this on the shell with UHU glue. I couldnt quite put my finger on why i ultimately didnt go for it but to me it just wasnt a jag.

I would prefer the S Type but with the X type front. The S type now thats a JAG, although my favourite (in production) still has to be the XJ series. However my favourite car of all time is the E Type and the TR6. (when British cars meant something.)

AndyPearce

Correct - but the Mondeo chassis and engine are meant to be decent. You are paying a premium for the badge and styling over a Mondeo though.

RobDickinson

Heh.... um sorry.

S-type is all Jag... nope...

S-Type is ALL ford Taurus. As in X-type=Mondeo , S-type = Taurus. And they both use fords duratec v6's.

The only 'real' jags atm are the KX and XJ.

Jaguar are loosing a ton of cash at the moment.

X-type - no one is buying the 2.0, they make lots on the 3.0 but everyone is buying the 2.5. They've had stacks of warrently work in the US. Americans expect them to be finished like a proper jag and threre just not up to it for their market - this is killing x-type profits.

S-Type - known dog. not selling very well, due for an update/replacement.

XJ - Only just launched the new aluminium XJ. Its been delayed a long time, too long and no one has been buying the old ones.

I think the Xk is foing ok but that doesnt sell tons either.

£800million loss last yeat I think. Which is why Jag have cut back on the x-typeR and all the other sexy 2 seaters n such that they've showed over the past, they need to earn some cash before they can have fun stuff. Which is why there gonaa be selling deisil versions soon

cw007

I stand corrected Rob.

Ford have stuck there grubby little paws all over a british establishment and look whats happened in the name of progess.

I know Jag is loosing cash hand over fist because the market which they originally targeted has to many competitors now. Lexus/BMW/Merc to name but a few. Now that the global market is a lot easier to tap into Jag hasnt been able to keep up.

Jag need something revolutionary to restore the faith which was
evidently there. Where JAG like IBM relied on there name to sell cars people these days want value for money in there purchases not just in cars but houses TV's etc...

Jag were to slow to realise and are suffering as a result. In saying that they CANT shut down what is a trademark of british engineering.

Lotus went the same way and they are beginning to crawl out of the pit.