Bilstein dampers RX-8
12-10-2004, 07:56 AM
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Bilstein dampers RX-8
Looks like Bilstein has manufacture the full range of shock absorbers for B6, B8, B12, B14 and B16 for RX-8. May be good to take a look at the webpage:
http://www.katalog.bilstein.de/
http://www2.bilstein.de/en/produkte/tuning.php3
http://www2.bilstein.de/en/produkte/...technik.php3#2
If anyone is interested, let me know and I will check out the model to see if fits and arrange to bring into Singapore. Call me at 96802911 (James) if anyone is interested. cheers
http://www.katalog.bilstein.de/
http://www2.bilstein.de/en/produkte/tuning.php3
http://www2.bilstein.de/en/produkte/...technik.php3#2
If anyone is interested, let me know and I will check out the model to see if fits and arrange to bring into Singapore. Call me at 96802911 (James) if anyone is interested. cheers
12-15-2004, 06:37 AM
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Hi HOKS,
Thanks for your interests. I hope I can help answer some of your questions as I am not sure exactly what is your perference. I would like you to take some time to read this article below that I found in of the the US website and it is very useful for people who may not know what shock is or what it does. I think it helps probably to answer the facts and myths surrounding shocks. Pls see if helps abit.
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How a vehicle "rides" depends on many things. Tire pressure, the type of vehicle, suspension modifications, tire/rim size, road conditions, etc. If you bought a vehicle that rides terrible, there probably isn't much you can do about it. Lincolns ride like a luxury car, the same way a Corvette rides like a sports car. Both have shocks, yet ride entirely differently. Just changing the shocks/struts is not likely going to change what the vehicle manufacturer built into a vehicle. How a vehicle rides is something that cannot be plotted or graphed scientifically, because it is all a matter of opinion. There is no 'measurement' for 'ride'. We do not recommend buying shocks or struts specifically for trying to change the "ride" of a vehicle, that is not what shocks or struts do. Their function is to hold the tires in contact with the road and dampen suspension vibration.
Bilstein are designed to give a vehicle better handling, control, and safety. None of the units we have would be valved as 'soft' as the units your vehicle came with.
What is the difference between Comfort(C), Heavy Duty(HD), Sport(SP)?
Comfort (C) and Touring (TC) - original equipment shocks that came with your vehicle - will provide the same ride that the vehicle had when it was new.
Heavy Duty B6(HD) - MOST POPULAR CHOICE, Designed to work with your factory springs these will provide a firmer, more controlled ride in cars and a more stable ride.
Sport B8 - Designed for use with an aftermarket lowering spring (H&R, Eibach, etc.) The Sport will be firm and actually made to work with a lowered aftermarket suspension (springs).
What do you mean by a "Gas Pressure" shock absorber?
The BILSTEIN Gas Pressure Shock Absorber is a telescopic, mono-tube unit filled with nitrogen gas and hydraulic oil. The gas, sealed in a special compartment at 36O psi (25 times atmospheric pressure) exerts constant high pressure on the oil column eliminating cavitation and foaming. The absolute elimination of foaming (no air forming in the oil) results in uninterrupted damping for even the smallest wheel deflections (2 mm): a performance which no other type of shock claims or matches.
What do you mean by "Rising Rate"?
Rising rate means that the rate of damping coefficient increases as suspension movements become more rapid, such as on rough surfaces or high speed cornering. With BILSTEINS, a smooth comfortable ride is provided at all times with exactly the right amount of control for changing terrain, road and driving conditions.
What are the advantages of single tube design over conventional twin tube shocks?
The advantages are:
1. Better heat dissipation, which means better performance. A shock is an "energy converter." "Spring energy" has to be converted into "thermal energy" and the resulting heat has to be dissipated as fast as possible. A shock absorber's effectiveness is directly proportional to its ability to dissipate heat, since a ''hot" shock quickly loses its damping ability. In conventional multi-tube shocks the heat must pass through two tubes. The BILSTEIN mono-tube design results in a cooler running, more efficient shock. A BILSTEIN shock can perform at peak operation between sub-zero weather to 480 degrees F.
2. Much greater piston area: greater sensitivity for small piston movements.
3. They are lighter; reduced "unsprung mass" allows wheels and tires to respond more readily to surface irregularities for improved control; also by reducing the unsprung mass, wear and tear on suspension and steering components is reduced.
How long will they last?
Like any precision machine they cannot last forever. Operating conditions will determine their life. However BILSTEINS contain no ball check valves or moving parts other than Pistons. There are no springs and no hinge pins to wear out, deteriorate or get weak with age, use and heat. They outlast any other shock absorber in the same application. If a BILSTEIN is proven defective due to maternal or workmanship error, the shock will be repaired or replaced at no cost (excluding labor) to the original purchaser for the life of the vehicle. (For further details see explanation of the limited warranty in Bilstein's application list.)
How does BILSTEIN compare with other shock absorbers?
BILSTEIN "rising rate" shocks cannot be compared with any conventional multi-tube reservoir shock. BILSTEIN worked with Mercedes Benz to develop this revolutionary shock . The technology was so advanced that BILSTEIN became original equipment on Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, BMW, and Saab. BILSTEIN technology is so far ahead and so different that the performance cannot be equaled.
Why aren't BILSTEINS adjustable?
A BILSTEIN doesn't need adjustment to compensate for wear or for varying surfaces. The shock responds instantaneously to the speed of suspension movement to provide the exact damping characteristics required for maximum control., safety and performance. As the terrain or road surface becomes rougher, the speed at which the piston rod travels increases. The working piston is velocity sensitive, so that as the piston velocity increases, the shock internally and automatically becomes stiffer. A BILSTEIN works with the road surface to provide the exact valving required. Conventional shocks operate at one setting and require manual adjustment if any adjustment feature is available.
What will they do for my car?
Improve the road-holding characteristics: Better tracking, no pitching or nose-diving when braking; increase cornering stability and reduce stopping distance; reduce wind-wander; increase tire-surface contact, and provide marked improvement in control. The life of steering and suspension components and tires may also be increased. Driving fatigue is reduced because your car is easier to handle and to control with BILSTEINS. BILSTEINS will soften the bumps by aiding the tires to cling to the road regardless of the size or roughness of the surface irregularity. The "seasick ride" so often associated with larger vehicles is tamed and eliminated.
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there are couple of choice you have: B6, B8 (sport), B12 (B8 with 4 springs), PSS14 (height adj coilovers) and PSS9 - height and damper adjustable coils).
If you want to keep your springs and improve handling and damping 10 to15%, Use B6 HD.
If you want to lower to get the looks and improve damping by 15% take the B12.
If you want to adjust up and down to go racing or looks sometimes take the B14 or PSS.
If you want to adjust both height and damping, take the ultimate PSS9 or B16.
Hope it helps and I can share more with you. drop me or you can call me.
Thanks for your interests. I hope I can help answer some of your questions as I am not sure exactly what is your perference. I would like you to take some time to read this article below that I found in of the the US website and it is very useful for people who may not know what shock is or what it does. I think it helps probably to answer the facts and myths surrounding shocks. Pls see if helps abit.
Extracts:
How a vehicle "rides" depends on many things. Tire pressure, the type of vehicle, suspension modifications, tire/rim size, road conditions, etc. If you bought a vehicle that rides terrible, there probably isn't much you can do about it. Lincolns ride like a luxury car, the same way a Corvette rides like a sports car. Both have shocks, yet ride entirely differently. Just changing the shocks/struts is not likely going to change what the vehicle manufacturer built into a vehicle. How a vehicle rides is something that cannot be plotted or graphed scientifically, because it is all a matter of opinion. There is no 'measurement' for 'ride'. We do not recommend buying shocks or struts specifically for trying to change the "ride" of a vehicle, that is not what shocks or struts do. Their function is to hold the tires in contact with the road and dampen suspension vibration.
Bilstein are designed to give a vehicle better handling, control, and safety. None of the units we have would be valved as 'soft' as the units your vehicle came with.
What is the difference between Comfort(C), Heavy Duty(HD), Sport(SP)?
Comfort (C) and Touring (TC) - original equipment shocks that came with your vehicle - will provide the same ride that the vehicle had when it was new.
Heavy Duty B6(HD) - MOST POPULAR CHOICE, Designed to work with your factory springs these will provide a firmer, more controlled ride in cars and a more stable ride.
Sport B8 - Designed for use with an aftermarket lowering spring (H&R, Eibach, etc.) The Sport will be firm and actually made to work with a lowered aftermarket suspension (springs).
What do you mean by a "Gas Pressure" shock absorber?
The BILSTEIN Gas Pressure Shock Absorber is a telescopic, mono-tube unit filled with nitrogen gas and hydraulic oil. The gas, sealed in a special compartment at 36O psi (25 times atmospheric pressure) exerts constant high pressure on the oil column eliminating cavitation and foaming. The absolute elimination of foaming (no air forming in the oil) results in uninterrupted damping for even the smallest wheel deflections (2 mm): a performance which no other type of shock claims or matches.
What do you mean by "Rising Rate"?
Rising rate means that the rate of damping coefficient increases as suspension movements become more rapid, such as on rough surfaces or high speed cornering. With BILSTEINS, a smooth comfortable ride is provided at all times with exactly the right amount of control for changing terrain, road and driving conditions.
What are the advantages of single tube design over conventional twin tube shocks?
The advantages are:
1. Better heat dissipation, which means better performance. A shock is an "energy converter." "Spring energy" has to be converted into "thermal energy" and the resulting heat has to be dissipated as fast as possible. A shock absorber's effectiveness is directly proportional to its ability to dissipate heat, since a ''hot" shock quickly loses its damping ability. In conventional multi-tube shocks the heat must pass through two tubes. The BILSTEIN mono-tube design results in a cooler running, more efficient shock. A BILSTEIN shock can perform at peak operation between sub-zero weather to 480 degrees F.
2. Much greater piston area: greater sensitivity for small piston movements.
3. They are lighter; reduced "unsprung mass" allows wheels and tires to respond more readily to surface irregularities for improved control; also by reducing the unsprung mass, wear and tear on suspension and steering components is reduced.
How long will they last?
Like any precision machine they cannot last forever. Operating conditions will determine their life. However BILSTEINS contain no ball check valves or moving parts other than Pistons. There are no springs and no hinge pins to wear out, deteriorate or get weak with age, use and heat. They outlast any other shock absorber in the same application. If a BILSTEIN is proven defective due to maternal or workmanship error, the shock will be repaired or replaced at no cost (excluding labor) to the original purchaser for the life of the vehicle. (For further details see explanation of the limited warranty in Bilstein's application list.)
How does BILSTEIN compare with other shock absorbers?
BILSTEIN "rising rate" shocks cannot be compared with any conventional multi-tube reservoir shock. BILSTEIN worked with Mercedes Benz to develop this revolutionary shock . The technology was so advanced that BILSTEIN became original equipment on Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, BMW, and Saab. BILSTEIN technology is so far ahead and so different that the performance cannot be equaled.
Why aren't BILSTEINS adjustable?
A BILSTEIN doesn't need adjustment to compensate for wear or for varying surfaces. The shock responds instantaneously to the speed of suspension movement to provide the exact damping characteristics required for maximum control., safety and performance. As the terrain or road surface becomes rougher, the speed at which the piston rod travels increases. The working piston is velocity sensitive, so that as the piston velocity increases, the shock internally and automatically becomes stiffer. A BILSTEIN works with the road surface to provide the exact valving required. Conventional shocks operate at one setting and require manual adjustment if any adjustment feature is available.
What will they do for my car?
Improve the road-holding characteristics: Better tracking, no pitching or nose-diving when braking; increase cornering stability and reduce stopping distance; reduce wind-wander; increase tire-surface contact, and provide marked improvement in control. The life of steering and suspension components and tires may also be increased. Driving fatigue is reduced because your car is easier to handle and to control with BILSTEINS. BILSTEINS will soften the bumps by aiding the tires to cling to the road regardless of the size or roughness of the surface irregularity. The "seasick ride" so often associated with larger vehicles is tamed and eliminated.
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there are couple of choice you have: B6, B8 (sport), B12 (B8 with 4 springs), PSS14 (height adj coilovers) and PSS9 - height and damper adjustable coils).
If you want to keep your springs and improve handling and damping 10 to15%, Use B6 HD.
If you want to lower to get the looks and improve damping by 15% take the B12.
If you want to adjust up and down to go racing or looks sometimes take the B14 or PSS.
If you want to adjust both height and damping, take the ultimate PSS9 or B16.
Hope it helps and I can share more with you. drop me or you can call me.
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Originally Posted by hoks
Hi Shocker,
I am interested in the Bilstein. But which one will be able to use for the RX-8? Mine is from MM? Pls kindly advise me...Thks.
I am interested in the Bilstein. But which one will be able to use for the RX-8? Mine is from MM? Pls kindly advise me...Thks.
02-04-2005, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by shocker
Any RX-8 car would like to review the PSS9 on their car?
U mean any owner here can have the PSS9 to try out and review??
Hmmmmm tempting.
02-07-2005, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Genesis
Yikes...c'mon, this dude is marketing, don't fall for it.
just wanted to know how was the review for those that fitted. If it is good, then it fits well with the car else it mean it isn't so popular. Correct me if I am wrong, the RX8 is already fitted with Bilstein basis range right? thanks in adv....
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Bro, you're new to the forum and your nick is "shock"er...if you're not trying to sell Bilstein shocks then I stand corrected, but it doesn't appear that way from your posts. Are you interested in selling Bilsteins or just supplying information to support the forum? Honesty is the best policy
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Originally Posted by Genesis
Bro, you're new to the forum and your nick is "shock"er...if you're not trying to sell Bilstein shocks then I stand corrected, but it doesn't appear that way from your posts. Are you interested in selling Bilsteins or just supplying information to support the forum? Honesty is the best policy
Yes I sell them and it is clear from my nick. I do not have any carrot or tricks up the sleeves to lure people either. If it was the case, I will be cooking stories rather than seek an opinion which may turn up either way (Good or Bad) for those who may have fitted them. So I am supplying information to let people know.
So not to worry, I stand honest in this trade and I will supply more info if there is a request. Cheers and Happy Lunar New Year.
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Originally Posted by Genesis
That's fair...then what do you mean by "Any RX-8 car would like to review the PSS9 on their car?" That's not information, that's selling IMO. Am I wrong?
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