Er28

Do your charge your license plate to the side, furthermore anyone selling their rim do drop me a line thank

coupe07

some of our cars, license plate on side oredi.....

rims - OEm rims? or?

JonnyBoy

I was wondering, is it legal to put the number plate at the side? sticker one or plate type?
anyone can help with some info? thanks!!

sandman369

http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publis...nce_plate.html

it says front and back below 1m, never say side cannot. supposed that is a yes?

JonnyBoy

Cool! THanks for the link. It also does not specify that it has to be made of plastic/metal..so that means sticker can?

Anyone can advise where to make those sticker number plates?

Thanks everyone!

sandman369

any sticker shop that does customisation. think there is one receommneded under the "lobang" folder. alternative look for johnson, corner shop opp traffic police. been using him but generally people are saying his prices are slightly higher than the rest. think is blk 3005, one block away from fong kim.

EBS

They did say the plate has to be vertical. When u stick it onto the bumper, dont think they will classify that as vertical.

Cheers

sqflyer

I was under the impression that all sticker licence plates are illegal, just that the TP will normally close 1 eye if the sticker licence plate is of the correct size/font/spacing and facing forward and perpendicular to the road. BUT they can still book you if they are PMSing. Can anyone please confirm this? Thank you very much.

lohsk

I think a friend of mine did mention he checked with LTA and they said only if the size , font and spacing is the legal size then the sticker is ok. But I did not confirm myself, I just took his word for it. Oh yes... must face forward, perpendicular. And below 1 meter

sqflyer

Yah, I've been told that TPs will not bother or mind if the sticker is done properly, but the big question is, does "ok" = legal? Guess we won't know unless we approach LTA and get the answer from the horse's mouth. If anyone knows the answer, please enlighten us...

Er28

TP yes dont bother cos not really they job but the ROV will bother and the fine is much more higher. ROV main job is on modification n TP main job is speeding, D&D, phone drive.

sqflyer

Okay, juz wanna update you guys on what I found out when I called LTA today. I gave the reason that our current licence plate position blocks the front vent (which technically it does if your licence plate is 2 rows) and our car already has a problem with heat. LTA's reply is we can relocate our licence plate holder & licence plate to a place where it doesn't block the front vent (like some Alfas/EVOs) but the licence plate holder and licence plate must be there and still face forward and perpendicular to the road. Bottom line is sticker licence plates are not approved. That being said, TPs aren't very particular and won't bother to pick bones with you if your sticker licence plate is done properly. However, like Er28 pointed out, ROV might be a different story. But actually, when was the last time you saw an ROV officer? Think I see a lot more TPs than ROVs.

lohsk

Nuts... that means I have to either make a side plate holder or remove my grill and replace it with my orginal plate when I have to go for inspection.

coupe07

that was a very good effort by SQ for this info!!!!

CLAP!!!!!

morganoh

sqflyer is definitely right...

The rules apply for Motor bikes as well.

Funny thing is u can have sticker on the plate and the plate sticking on the bike using being double side tape.
But not having the Sticker sticking directly on the plate.
And the reason given was the sticker may drop of from the plate, I told the TP the plate is more easly to drop than the sticker due to heavier weight.
But he said rule is rule.....

sqflyer

Yep, another one of those rules that doesn't make sense but we have to blindly follow. If you want to use sticker licence plates, at least get one that is properly done and you might be able to talk your way out of a fine but you must still be prepared to pay the fine if the next TP that pulls you over decides to split hairs with you. I think the first offence carries a $70 fine. Get your excuses ready, and hope for the best.

sandman369

my questions to TP/LTA:

- which law or regulation or notice or guideline (LRNG) say cannot use sticker?
- which LRNG say must be perpendicular?

think if it fulfills the dimension as provided in the guideline and that they are prominently displayed at the front and back and not obscure, no reason for them to penalise. if stickers are not allowed, it should be in the regulations or at least in the guidelines. can challenge them, TP/LTA not always right. sticker easy to drop? then i keep a spare one in the boot, anytime it drops or someone peels off i have a spare one ready, better than the casement kind where the plate can be removed much easier than sticker...

sqflyer

That's exactly why it's a grey area. They only say what you CAN do and anything/everything else is illegal - a perfect example of the "No U-Turn Syndrome". Of course it makes absolute sense to us that sticker licence plates are better than the regular plastic licence plates, but some people who only see the world in monochrome might find fault with you. I think as long as the TP can easily and positively identify your vehicle licence number, they are not too fussy.

sandman369

there is no mention on types of sticker plates allowed hence there is no issue. if they have issue with sticker type, they should formalise their policy, eg that only LTA-approved designs are allowed...

it is not correct to say that you can do only what they tell you and everything else is illegal. it should be the other way. how can it be illegal if it is not provided in any legislation? i think it's the mindset of the authorities/enforcement rather than legal framework. btw the no u-turn syndrome is not about being grey but the approach in policy, instead of saying u-turns are allowed unless stated otherwise, we probly drafted in other way,ie u-turns are not allowed unless stated otheriwse.

having said that i am not saying there's no grey areas in the legal framework, just that we cant always assume this to be true for all cases.

morganoh

Better don't try. cos I have been riding motorbikes since 8yrs ago. and since then every one from different bike shops has been saying the same thing about Stickers are not approve.
That means the rule has been there long long time ago. (maybe 20-30 years ago??)

The rule may not be stated on the website, but it may be stated in the Law.

It would be almost impossible to list down every single law/regulations in the Web.

sqflyer

Sandman, I'm not trying to argue whether it's a mindset or grey area in the legal framework or an approach to policy. Yes, it SHOULD be the other way around where everything is legal and they tell you only what is illegal, BUT it's not. Maybe it's not like this in other areas of our legal system, I don't know, but this is how the TP/ROV does their policing.

sandman369

it's sad if that's how they work. i think it boils down to the frustration we have for the authorities, that there should be clarity, etc.

do you know that recently a call was made to TP on full set of traffic rules, know what they said in response? not all rules are not published as they are not suitable for public consumption and I can only get a copy from the offical printers. when one commits an offence, the court would probly tell you it's not an excuse not to know the law.

lohsk

ok... tp... controls everything. LTA regulations are enforced by TP. But because there so many regulations... LTA takes care of modifications on the car and TP role is to take care of drivers behaviour and secondary role is to look out for modifications. So TP can haul you in for your plate, but they have better things to do because it's not their primary role. BUT if they don't like your face, then they can perform their secondary role.

Do what you want for the first 3 years, when you go for inspection, revert to the plate.

General guideline... take a photo of the car, if you can see the plate then it's fine. As long as it's visible. If you kia su.... keep the same size font and stick it in the middle of the car. If you like to live on the edge, Stick it on your windscreen (like some guy we all know here). Eventually, come inspection time, revert to your plates. For daily driving, if it's visible when TP looks in the front, should have no problems.

So legal or not... no not legal, it depends on TP if they want to enforce. But once upon a time gambling also illegal.. now got 2 casinos.

I just left my number with LTA, some officer there is suppose to call me back, but I doubt.

coupe07

tiang ah??? very sek sek leh?? :D :D

sandman369

>...Stick it on your windscreen (like some guy we all know here).

fierce! who's the hero?

>I just left my number with LTA, some officer there is suppose to call me back, but I doubt.

they would call just a matter a time. else keep trying until they revert.