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02-17-2007, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yohji
i think INGS rear spoiler only for "pretty" lah...it won't give u any downforce when u at high speed.U want downforce the only thing is GT-Wing...the higher the better 
the best is same like "Aeroplane hahahaha.....or i suggest u to lower down ur car then u won't feel floating during highspeed...cheersss..GONG XI FATT CHAI
the best is same like "Aeroplane hahahaha.....or i suggest u to lower down ur car then u won't feel floating during highspeed...cheersss..GONG XI FATT CHAIgong xi fa cai to u too.
02-18-2007, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by davidykhor
hey guys, question, is the rear lid spoiler of the ING-S kit going to give enough downforce that the car need ? the rear of the car is a bit floating when it is on highspeed.... sigh ..
02-18-2007, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by davidykhor
:P
anyway my stock o car making 193hp on wheels now .. and stupid t.c can't grip the floor properly for 1st/2nd/3rd gear haih .. need to order a lsd , balance the height and bigger tyres before going for more power.
anyway my stock o car making 193hp on wheels now .. and stupid t.c can't grip the floor properly for 1st/2nd/3rd gear haih .. need to order a lsd , balance the height and bigger tyres before going for more power.
02-18-2007, 05:59 AM
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if i can get 220 , i will live with it even i have to pour octane booster every time i fuel up :P actually i bought 10 cartons of 500ml afterburn now, for my use rest of this year :P
lets hope after the header change , and the tuning that i am going to do, i can extract the best i could out of this renesis in N/A mode.
02-18-2007, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by woodtcb
very good le....my one only 184hp.....after put on snail....
Bro,i think u really waste ur money on this snail!184hp after tubocharge that's not much...Of course i understand that 8 power potential got limit,our 8 totally different like evo or subaru those car can easly hit 300hp and above and somemore like what lennon said your engine potential havent fully explored but i believed tat even though u fully explored the engine i think ur engine also will blow faster ler...
02-18-2007, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by davidykhor
if i can get 220 , i will live with it even i have to pour octane booster every time i fuel up :P actually i bought 10 cartons of 500ml afterburn now, for my use rest of this year :P
lets hope after the header change , and the tuning that i am going to do, i can extract the best i could out of this renesis in N/A mode.
david,not need to do so much extra thing lah coz i heard u going to change ur NA to 20b mam
02-18-2007, 06:39 AM
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Like that very troublesome coz when u want to go track u need to exchange the NA to 20b after track u need to change the 20b to NA 
I suggest to u again buy another 8 and put the 20b in and the extra engine give me for birthday gift haha......but just wondering how much max HP can get from 20b?
I suggest to u again buy another 8 and put the 20b in and the extra engine give me for birthday gift haha......but just wondering how much max HP can get from 20b?
02-18-2007, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by davidykhor
NA 320HP for 20B :P
By the way, boring today, just back from all the "pai nian" stuff with family
Anyone up for a yumcha ???
By the way, boring today, just back from all the "pai nian" stuff with family
Anyone up for a yumcha ???
Oh..thanks hor.320hp wah...that's a lot for me already.Too bad i'm not from KL if not i will be the first 1 to meet u yumcha.And if u don't mind pls post up ur interior nappa leather sit picture ler wondering what is nappa leather and how much is that?
02-18-2007, 06:49 AM
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Nappa leather is one of the most expensive kind of leather nowadays, it has no grains. it is mostly used in mercedes sl55 / cl55 / s55 series and also known as the leather for the designo interior. it is 2-3 times more expensive then normal leather because it is hard to find a perfect piece of cow hide without damage or scars .
Used to be most expensive is conolly leather but conolly has went bankrupt thus bently/ferrari and the others are also using a type of nappa but synthetically enhanced one as well.
my interior hrmm .. my digital camera is in the office, once i go back to work i will take the camera and take the photo to show u guys, its most likely done, nothing to shout bout just that the nappa leather makes the car looks classier "towards conti style". I also have a custom 2din audio "panasonic system" , with reverse camera / "bluetooth phone/ipod integration" <-- addon module on the way. but still using the original speakers, they already sounds not bad, so i don't think i am going to change. nevertheless, another mod i may do is to dynamat extreme the whole car. i am hearing all the road noises now.
Used to be most expensive is conolly leather but conolly has went bankrupt thus bently/ferrari and the others are also using a type of nappa but synthetically enhanced one as well.
my interior hrmm .. my digital camera is in the office, once i go back to work i will take the camera and take the photo to show u guys, its most likely done, nothing to shout bout just that the nappa leather makes the car looks classier "towards conti style". I also have a custom 2din audio "panasonic system" , with reverse camera / "bluetooth phone/ipod integration" <-- addon module on the way. but still using the original speakers, they already sounds not bad, so i don't think i am going to change. nevertheless, another mod i may do is to dynamat extreme the whole car. i am hearing all the road noises now.
02-18-2007, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by davidykhor
Nappa leather is one of the most expensive kind of leather nowadays, it has no grains. it is mostly used in mercedes sl55 / cl55 / s55 series and also known as the leather for the designo interior. it is 2-3 times more expensive then normal leather because it is hard to find a perfect piece of cow hide without damage or scars .
Used to be most expensive is conolly leather but conolly has went bankrupt thus bently/ferrari and the others are also using a type of nappa but synthetically enhanced one as well.
my interior hrmm .. my digital camera is in the office, once i go back to work i will take the camera and take the photo to show u guys, its most likely done, nothing to shout bout just that the nappa leather makes the car looks classier "towards conti style". I also have a custom 2din audio "panasonic system" , with reverse camera / "bluetooth phone/ipod integration" <-- addon module on the way. but still using the original speakers, they already sounds not bad, so i don't think i am going to change. nevertheless, another mod i may do is to dynamat extreme the whole car. i am hearing all the road noises now.
Used to be most expensive is conolly leather but conolly has went bankrupt thus bently/ferrari and the others are also using a type of nappa but synthetically enhanced one as well.
my interior hrmm .. my digital camera is in the office, once i go back to work i will take the camera and take the photo to show u guys, its most likely done, nothing to shout bout just that the nappa leather makes the car looks classier "towards conti style". I also have a custom 2din audio "panasonic system" , with reverse camera / "bluetooth phone/ipod integration" <-- addon module on the way. but still using the original speakers, they already sounds not bad, so i don't think i am going to change. nevertheless, another mod i may do is to dynamat extreme the whole car. i am hearing all the road noises now.
When u said something about road noise when u driving around i can tell u that
Rx8 is really sux on this issue coz when u can know that when u close ur door.Of course we can't compare wif the continental car but the best 1 i sat before is Alfa GT....u really can't hear the road noise when driving around and the Alfa GT seat is damn comfortable.....
02-18-2007, 07:44 AM
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yeap .. i got 2japanese car.. others are conti , one of it is a murano, i had it soundproofed with tonnes of wurth soundproof material, it was noisy, better now .. the 2nd one is the rx8 , noisy as hell .... the conti's are all very quiet :P not to forget lexus are also very good when it comes to comfort, when can mazda and nissan follow :P
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02-18-2007, 07:50 AM
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Like lennon said ur house got money printed muahahaha...... actually u can't compare japanese car wif lexus although toyota wif lexus is same company.what Lexus do is europe and US market so different mam....
actually u can't compare japanese car wif lexus although toyota wif lexus is same company.what Lexus do is europe and US market so different mam....
02-18-2007, 01:10 PM
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I have pondered this "POWER" issue with regards to the RX8. After many months of research, thinking, head scratching, pondering, soul searching etc etc ......... Ive sort of resigned myself to the reality that a outright AutoBahn (as in the German AutoBahn.....not the Bodykit brand 
) stormer......my 8 will never be.....at least not in a reliable manner........
Took into consideration many many things......... As things are for the time being, id be terribly happy if i could get 230whp outta my eight.......... Im trying my very best to avoid going the Forced Induction route......BUT......im not saying that im not seriously considering it !!!! Ive got plans for modding my Rx8 very throughly laid out...... Can't wait to get started...... However, experience from owning my previous Rx7 dictates that one should NEVER rush into things when it comes to Rotary's....... Also, NEVER EVER try exceeding the limits of the RE engine......I should know.....I went through countless replacement engines/ rebuilds/ portings etc etc with my previous RE
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20B --- installing this engine would be an unimaginable nightmare......Even Peter Ferral ( a well known RE tuner in the US) ran into numerous problems when they were dabbling in the 20B transplant project FD3S..... Biggest problem??? Trying to make it fit into a 13B subframe (not long enuff to clear an extra rotor)........ Not to mention steering rack clearence issues !!! Like what u ask...??? Ever thought where that extra lenght from an extra rotor is going to go in our 8???? If u push engine to the front, ud get steering rack clearence issues.....They actually had to relocate the Steering rack of their FD froject 20B car which led to considerable amounts of bump-steer..... If, u push it towards the firewall.....then ud need to cut away quite a fair bit of the transmission tunnel..... OMG, just thinking bout it now gives me a headache .......
Porting --- Now this is something i might consider......HOWEVER..... since this is NOT a forced induction engine.....plus the fact that it is a high compression 6 port rotary that has its exhaust ports relocated to the sides instead of the rotor housings as opposed to the 4 port FD engine (with conventional exhaust ports)....Logic says that any gain would be minimal at best..... Which leads us to......
Forced Induction (TURBO) --- Like everything bout this except a couple of small issues......
*running 0.4-0.5 bar of boost isn't all that appealing at all to me. 1.0 bar is MUCH more my kind of thing (as far as RE goes.....if piston definately more than that). Prob is running 1.0 bar of boost on a Renesis WILL definately KILL the engine...... Nevertheless, im gonna continue monitoring other ppl's projects and look at how far they get in relation to this........
*you loose that nice NA high pitch Ferrari'ish (Fujita Exhaust) exhaust note...... Turbo don't really sound all that nice.... Example ; NA F360,F430, Porsche GT3 etc etc..........
*Reliability --- Eventually......which means it'll just be a matter of time b4 u loose an Apex Seal
Whatever it is......im soooooo in love with RE engines and the RX7/Rx8 body style in particular....... This car will be with me for a LONG LONG LONG time to come...... Hopefully, someone will do enuff R&D on the Renesis with regards to increasing power figures significantly...... In the mean time........ Maybe a Scooby as a 3rd car......hahahahahaa
......... Ive sort of resigned myself to the reality that a outright AutoBahn (as in the German AutoBahn.....not the Bodykit brand ) stormer......my 8 will never be.....at least not in a reliable manner........Took into consideration many many things......... As things are for the time being, id be terribly happy if i could get 230whp outta my eight.......... Im trying my very best to avoid going the Forced Induction route......BUT......im not saying that im not seriously considering it !!!! Ive got plans for modding my Rx8 very throughly laid out...... Can't wait to get started...... However, experience from owning my previous Rx7 dictates that one should NEVER rush into things when it comes to Rotary's....... Also, NEVER EVER try exceeding the limits of the RE engine......I should know.....I went through countless replacement engines/ rebuilds/ portings etc etc with my previous RE
Basically;
20B --- installing this engine would be an unimaginable nightmare......Even Peter Ferral ( a well known RE tuner in the US) ran into numerous problems when they were dabbling in the 20B transplant project FD3S..... Biggest problem??? Trying to make it fit into a 13B subframe (not long enuff to clear an extra rotor)........ Not to mention steering rack clearence issues !!! Like what u ask...??? Ever thought where that extra lenght from an extra rotor is going to go in our 8???? If u push engine to the front, ud get steering rack clearence issues.....They actually had to relocate the Steering rack of their FD froject 20B car which led to considerable amounts of bump-steer..... If, u push it towards the firewall.....then ud need to cut away quite a fair bit of the transmission tunnel..... OMG, just thinking bout it now gives me a headache
.......Porting --- Now this is something i might consider......HOWEVER..... since this is NOT a forced induction engine.....plus the fact that it is a high compression 6 port rotary that has its exhaust ports relocated to the sides instead of the rotor housings as opposed to the 4 port FD engine (with conventional exhaust ports)....Logic says that any gain would be minimal at best..... Which leads us to......
Forced Induction (TURBO) --- Like everything bout this except a couple of small issues......
*running 0.4-0.5 bar of boost isn't all that appealing at all to me. 1.0 bar is MUCH more my kind of thing (as far as RE goes.....if piston definately more than that). Prob is running 1.0 bar of boost on a Renesis WILL definately KILL the engine...... Nevertheless, im gonna continue monitoring other ppl's projects and look at how far they get in relation to this........
*you loose that nice NA high pitch Ferrari'ish (Fujita Exhaust) exhaust note...... Turbo don't really sound all that nice.... Example ; NA F360,F430, Porsche GT3 etc etc..........
*Reliability --- Eventually......which means it'll just be a matter of time b4 u loose an Apex Seal
Whatever it is......im soooooo in love with RE engines and the RX7/Rx8 body style in particular....... This car will be with me for a LONG LONG LONG time to come...... Hopefully, someone will do enuff R&D on the Renesis with regards to increasing power figures significantly...... In the mean time........ Maybe a Scooby as a 3rd car......hahahahahaa
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02-18-2007, 03:01 PM
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well. there had been a lot of succesfull 20b project already. a lot in a matter of fact. 650~900hp turbo 13b , the only problem they have is where the endlinks/shaft keeps on breaking cause too powerfull , they are looking at titanium ones now ..
as for porting, i never like porting :P
turbo .. actually if i am going to put turbo, the first thing i will do is to open the engine up , maybe better apex seal , better apex seal spring, heavy duty essentric shaft , before i go the turbo route, and if i go the turbo route, it would be the mazsport kit instead of greddy. tune it properly, and never run the engine without octane booster "heck i have 10 cartons of afterburn sitting around" .
often detonation is the one that kills the seal, not the turbo. our fuel suck, so if we tune it too lean, thats where the problem came. I blew a v8 kompressor engine cause of knocking once after the ecu was sent back to a reputable tuner. luckilly the car is under warranty so i got it replaced with the engineers wondering what went wrong :P
the other reason why i have so many afterburn is after i put my stock car "ecu untouched yet" on the dyno the other day, guess what .. .AFR14.8~15.1 on the chart. SO FREAKING LEAN .. Scared the hell out of me... i guess since i am going to fool around with the ignition timing as well i might as well get those octane boostie ready. who knows its my savior, so far i had not heard any knock yet ... i think i need another set of knock sensor, one for each rotor ...
as for porting, i never like porting :P
turbo .. actually if i am going to put turbo, the first thing i will do is to open the engine up , maybe better apex seal , better apex seal spring, heavy duty essentric shaft , before i go the turbo route, and if i go the turbo route, it would be the mazsport kit instead of greddy. tune it properly, and never run the engine without octane booster "heck i have 10 cartons of afterburn sitting around" .
often detonation is the one that kills the seal, not the turbo. our fuel suck, so if we tune it too lean, thats where the problem came. I blew a v8 kompressor engine cause of knocking once after the ecu was sent back to a reputable tuner. luckilly the car is under warranty so i got it replaced with the engineers wondering what went wrong :P
the other reason why i have so many afterburn is after i put my stock car "ecu untouched yet" on the dyno the other day, guess what .. .AFR14.8~15.1 on the chart. SO FREAKING LEAN .. Scared the hell out of me... i guess since i am going to fool around with the ignition timing as well i might as well get those octane boostie ready. who knows its my savior, so far i had not heard any knock yet ... i think i need another set of knock sensor, one for each rotor ...
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02-18-2007, 03:13 PM
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http://www.hurleyrotary.com/lltips.aspx
some longlife seals i found, but seems its for the fd3s, i heard there are some reliable seals where we could use if we want to rebuild the renesis , also instead of buying a turbo kit, the fun might be there to actually build one,
Turbonetics charger
Spearco Intercooler "probably a air/water unit" so we could hide the fact its turbo :P"
Customized piping
Microtech Engine management
Upgraded fuel pump
Upgraded Injectors
Boost Controller
A new oil pan ? for oil return ..
wideband o2 ???? "for a/f datalogging during tuning"
the only problem we have in malaysia opposed to the usa is, we can't find any real good custom "metal" fabrication shop, its everwhere in the usa, give them a drawing/spec/material u need used and they will get it done for u. even titaniums is pieace of a cake for them ..
also since we are adding more fuel , the worry is the engine light may come on when it detects its too rich , so we may actually need to find out what kind of signal/volt the injector/fuel pump is feeding to the ecu, tap the line going towards the ecu, with a diod probably so the signal dosen't bounce the other way, put in something "resistors ???" that may actually feed the ecu with the signal it likes :P
some longlife seals i found, but seems its for the fd3s, i heard there are some reliable seals where we could use if we want to rebuild the renesis , also instead of buying a turbo kit, the fun might be there to actually build one,
Turbonetics charger
Spearco Intercooler "probably a air/water unit" so we could hide the fact its turbo :P"
Customized piping
Microtech Engine management
Upgraded fuel pump
Upgraded Injectors
Boost Controller
A new oil pan ? for oil return ..
wideband o2 ???? "for a/f datalogging during tuning"
the only problem we have in malaysia opposed to the usa is, we can't find any real good custom "metal" fabrication shop, its everwhere in the usa, give them a drawing/spec/material u need used and they will get it done for u. even titaniums is pieace of a cake for them ..
also since we are adding more fuel , the worry is the engine light may come on when it detects its too rich , so we may actually need to find out what kind of signal/volt the injector/fuel pump is feeding to the ecu, tap the line going towards the ecu, with a diod probably so the signal dosen't bounce the other way, put in something "resistors ???" that may actually feed the ecu with the signal it likes :P
02-18-2007, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lennon
Na beh...... You two talk nonsense ar........ 
Bro,I'm so innocent ler....David lah,he's the 1 who said ur house got money printer ler and he's the ink supplier somemore but i doubt that ler coz the money printer actually at ur office not at ur house hahahahah