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Originally Posted by sqflyer
It's not a matter of being arrogant, it never was, so I hope you do not take it personally or make it personal. I do not think the stock auto 8 is capable of more in our environment and I base this on factual data. It's not MY personal opinion or a gut feeling, just purely on the numbers. It's just something that nobody has been able to do for as long as we have been doing sprint testing. If anyone can obtain a sprint time well below 10s in a stock auto 8 locally, I'm sure we would all love to see it and learn a thing or two. Stryer asked and we answered, so I don't see anything off-topic about this discussion, yet.
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Originally Posted by stryder
Ok ok alright already folks, 5,6,7 9.99 secs century sprints. We all got the msg. Bottom line, I fancy meeting/ attending your meet ups if there;s one upcoming so that I can get a better look at the 8s without some salesmen bullshitting bout this bout that. I'd like to hear it from u folks. No one doubt the 8, but all cars have limitations and we all have to live with it. So while u own the 8, appreciate and be greatful the things that we have cause a lot of people dont have the luxury that we have. So lots of sugar and lots of cream, where can we all arrange for a meet up.
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Originally Posted by Silver_Z
How did you guys calculate the 0-100 timings? I mean what kind of device was used?
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We are back to that old chestnut again are we... AT vrs MT?
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
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Originally Posted by lowrider
We are back to that old chestnut again are we... AT vrs MT?
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
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Originally Posted by lowrider
We are back to that old chestnut again are we... AT vrs MT?
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
IMHO, it all depends what you honestly see the RX-8 as -- a performance car or a car to look good in?
If its for performance, then nobody should ever drive a automatic "performance" car. Its sacrilegious to have a sports car being automatic. Any purist will tell you, sports cars just should not come in automatics. Has to be manual. A sports/performance car is not there for convenience driving.
If you buy it for its looks or to get other people's attention, then by all means, drive an automatic -- you don't want to look silly doing a bunny hump or stalling when cruising down the high pedestrian roads, soaking up the other gender's attention. (same gender too if you are into it.)
Therefore, this discussion of whats the straight line speed/performance of an AT is really, in my humble opinion, moot. If you care so much of the AT's straight line speed, should have got a manual to start with. The AT was never meant to be about straight line speed.
If i am not wrong, amatuers driving automatic ferrais can outdo pro drivers lap times. Of course, ferraris have great gearboxes. Think smart nano-second gear shifts, shifts way faster than the neuron firing throught your brain.
And recently car manufacturers are making more car automatic, see the new clutchless evo and skyline. Most people just do not like the hassle of a clutch; 90% of vehicles sold in SG are ATs. Including the new AT commercial vehicles.
If people really want straight line; theres always wrx, evo, 350, skyline, s15.
And me. I like MTs too; only on long open stretches of road. With traffic lights at every 100 metres with super slow reaction drivers, AT is a godsend.
#33
Originally Posted by Emperor
With traffic lights at every 100 metres with super slow reaction drivers, AT is a godsend.
#36
Originally Posted by CoupeM
should be a g-tech pro if it is 500 bucks. g-tech only cost less than a hundred.
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Emperor: Unfortunately I can't afford the cars you mentioned. It still kills me that you get automatic ferraris... I can understand it in the States as they can't drive manuals amongst many other things but elsewhere.... in UK they drive stick plenty.
I have been driving stick/manual for 25yrs now.. never really noticed it during traffic.... its pretty much like brushing your teeth... you just do it without noticing it. However, I do notice it (in a good way) when I accelerate from a standing start or go around bendy, mountainous roads fast. Personally thats what I think the RX-8 is built for -- its not a car built for speed nor fast acceleration but great balance and thus grip/stability around bends... mountainous roads. Should have a mini-mountain climb: up Mt Faber race.
There is one affordable car that has great performance with semi-auto: VW Gti. Its DSG system is fantastic. It was a dream... very linear acceleration, great grip around corners Good thing I drove it before the infamous MX-5 crash otherwise the sales girl would have been petrified. (As it was, she didn't seem too all please with me then and asked me to end the test drive much earlier than I had wanted. Phuq her if she can't let people have a bit of fun in their lives!.)
I have been driving stick/manual for 25yrs now.. never really noticed it during traffic.... its pretty much like brushing your teeth... you just do it without noticing it. However, I do notice it (in a good way) when I accelerate from a standing start or go around bendy, mountainous roads fast. Personally thats what I think the RX-8 is built for -- its not a car built for speed nor fast acceleration but great balance and thus grip/stability around bends... mountainous roads. Should have a mini-mountain climb: up Mt Faber race.
There is one affordable car that has great performance with semi-auto: VW Gti. Its DSG system is fantastic. It was a dream... very linear acceleration, great grip around corners Good thing I drove it before the infamous MX-5 crash otherwise the sales girl would have been petrified. (As it was, she didn't seem too all please with me then and asked me to end the test drive much earlier than I had wanted. Phuq her if she can't let people have a bit of fun in their lives!.)
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Yep, G-tech Pro RR. Nice call CoupeM.
Cal, there are older model G-techs available on ebay for cheaps. Still does pretty much what they are meant to do without the fancy LCD screen but don't think they can download the data into PC. Don't forget to add shipping and possibly GST at Singapore Customs if the declared value is greater than a certain amount.
Cal, there are older model G-techs available on ebay for cheaps. Still does pretty much what they are meant to do without the fancy LCD screen but don't think they can download the data into PC. Don't forget to add shipping and possibly GST at Singapore Customs if the declared value is greater than a certain amount.
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
Yep, G-tech Pro RR. Nice call CoupeM.
Cal, there are older model G-techs available on ebay for cheaps. Still does pretty much what they are meant to do without the fancy LCD screen but don't think they can download the data into PC. Don't forget to add shipping and possibly GST at Singapore Customs if the declared value is greater than a certain amount.
Cal, there are older model G-techs available on ebay for cheaps. Still does pretty much what they are meant to do without the fancy LCD screen but don't think they can download the data into PC. Don't forget to add shipping and possibly GST at Singapore Customs if the declared value is greater than a certain amount.
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SQflyer, thanks. Checked out E-Bay but the cheap (<$100) ones are 1994 model. Not sure how "good" they are now...
I recall some people on the main forum talking abt the pros and cons of G-tech, including accuracy issues. Didn't pay attention then. Will go back and look it up before spurging on one.
I recall some people on the main forum talking abt the pros and cons of G-tech, including accuracy issues. Didn't pay attention then. Will go back and look it up before spurging on one.
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#41
Originally Posted by Silver_Z
Totally agree with you on this!! lol!!! Too many retards around. They take like 5 secs to register in their head that they are looking at the green light.
Then second tortoise see first car moving off and the above procedure happens. And so on...
And whenever it rains, everyone becomes reaction-impaired. I was on the CTE today and it slowed to 30 - 40 kmh! WTF.
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All G-techs are standalone units using accelerometers to measure performance. I believe the G-techs have come a LONG way since 1994, the times we get are fairly accurate and consistent. Short of an actual drag strip and speed/timing equipment, accelerometers are as good as it gets. ECU/Speedos are rather inaccurate so no point in using them for performance measurements.
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I think its the case with all cars. MT will always fel the pull faster. There is always a lag in AT cars unless you do some trans killing manuevers. I think the weak link is the torque converter.
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SQflyer, thanks. Checked out E-Bay but the cheap (<$100) ones are 1994 model. Not sure how "good" they are now...
I recall some people on the main forum talking abt the pros and cons of G-tech, including accuracy issues. Didn't pay attention then. Will go back and look it up before spurging on one.![Scratchhead](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/scratchhead.gif)
I recall some people on the main forum talking abt the pros and cons of G-tech, including accuracy issues. Didn't pay attention then. Will go back and look it up before spurging on one.
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My advice to you, bro, is that you not waste money on the 1994 model. Get those that will directly link up to your speedo reading. The 1994 model is setup by sticking it to your windscreen and adjusting the tilt of the unit(very sensitive, can take almost half hr to do it) to ensure that it is at 0. Then went u Accel, the unit will tilt and the timer goes on. and I dunno wat sensor it has inside that actually figure out that u hit 100kmph. As for the bhp rating, u need to set the wt of your ride + all your accessories + yourself into the unit, and then do a straight line run.
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Silver_Z, speedo readings are even less accurate than accelerometers. Think about how changing rims and tires will affect your speedo readout and you'll know what I mean. I think even tire pressure will affect the accuracy of your speedometer. ECU gets it's data from the speedo so it isn't any better. That's why I said it's pointless to use ECU/Speedo data for performance measurements.
The latest incarnation of the G-tech does a self leveling when you launch, no tilt adjustment required. The unit should be fitted onto your car so that it tilts along with your car when you launch and that's how it measures the G forces. It basically works like an aircraft's Inertial Reference System (although it does this with simpler electronic accelerometers instead of laser gyros) to calculate your speed, distance traveled, times, etc. And naturally, if you want to know the calculated BHP, you need to plug in the weight of the car which can be easily obtained at a weighting station.
The latest incarnation of the G-tech does a self leveling when you launch, no tilt adjustment required. The unit should be fitted onto your car so that it tilts along with your car when you launch and that's how it measures the G forces. It basically works like an aircraft's Inertial Reference System (although it does this with simpler electronic accelerometers instead of laser gyros) to calculate your speed, distance traveled, times, etc. And naturally, if you want to know the calculated BHP, you need to plug in the weight of the car which can be easily obtained at a weighting station.
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Originally Posted by sqflyer
Silver_Z, speedo readings are even less accurate than accelerometers. Think about how changing rims and tires will affect your speedo readout and you'll know what I mean. I think even tire pressure will affect the accuracy of your speedometer. ECU gets it's data from the speedo so it isn't any better. That's why I said it's pointless to use ECU/Speedo data for performance measurements.
The latest incarnation of the G-tech does a self leveling when you launch, no tilt adjustment required. The unit should be fitted onto your car so that it tilts along with your car when you launch and that's how it measures the G forces. It basically works like an aircraft's Inertial Reference System (although it does this with simpler electronic accelerometers instead of laser gyros) to calculate your speed, distance traveled, times, etc. And naturally, if you want to know the calculated BHP, you need to plug in the weight of the car which can be easily obtained at a weighting station.
The latest incarnation of the G-tech does a self leveling when you launch, no tilt adjustment required. The unit should be fitted onto your car so that it tilts along with your car when you launch and that's how it measures the G forces. It basically works like an aircraft's Inertial Reference System (although it does this with simpler electronic accelerometers instead of laser gyros) to calculate your speed, distance traveled, times, etc. And naturally, if you want to know the calculated BHP, you need to plug in the weight of the car which can be easily obtained at a weighting station.
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LMAO... I would be pissed too if that was the case! The RR is a breeze to use, in the drag mode, just press 1 button, wait 1 sec for it stage your launch and off you go. Lift your foot off the accelerator and it stops capturing your run automatically or hit the brakes and get your 0-xxxkm/h-0 timing and braking distance too. Plug into a PC, download all the data and you can analyse your runs til the cows come home.
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I think the SS will do an equally good job, just that it doesn't have the ability to download the data onto the PC. Definitely can consider if it fits your purpose and budget. The SS is US$100 cheaper.