2004 Pontiac GTO
02-29-2004, 05:16 PM
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When I left Melbourne back in 1999, it was still "***." I guess you banana-benders had to differentiate between "****" as in body part, and "***" as in Joh Bjelke-Peterson or Pauline Hanson. :p
We don't care if those ***'s slam shut, just not the ****! Hehehe.
03-04-2004, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Hymee
Mmm - it will be f@cken funny alright, and you will be on the receiving end.
You talking stock v's stock?
The stock LS1 powered Monaro's and Commodore's (the sedan) will just crack a 13 second quarter, if they are very lucky.
These are detuned compared to the LS1 they put in the GTO.
I have had plenty of races with my mates and their LS1's. In fact I was a ring in in my '8 at a private LS1 day.
The RX-8 will get a better 60', and might even win the race to 1/3 or 1/2 track distance, then the power of the V8 will just drive staight by you. I know. I have experienced it. And I have been an LS1 owner as well.
Why is pushrod = old technology? I have pictures of DOHC engines from WWII aircraft. Does that mean DOHC is old technology as well??
Get a grip. Exotic does not mean reliable. We have a 24 hour race here that the Monaro (albeit with a 427 CID version) has won the last couple of years. Most of the exotic competitive Ferraris and Lambo's etc. break and drop out - often early on.
The build quality of the GTO and the other Holdens is very good. They are very comfortable and enjoyable cars to drive. Speaking from experience, here.
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Hymee.
Mmm - it will be f@cken funny alright, and you will be on the receiving end.
You talking stock v's stock?
The stock LS1 powered Monaro's and Commodore's (the sedan) will just crack a 13 second quarter, if they are very lucky.
These are detuned compared to the LS1 they put in the GTO.
I have had plenty of races with my mates and their LS1's. In fact I was a ring in in my '8 at a private LS1 day.
The RX-8 will get a better 60', and might even win the race to 1/3 or 1/2 track distance, then the power of the V8 will just drive staight by you. I know. I have experienced it. And I have been an LS1 owner as well.
Why is pushrod = old technology? I have pictures of DOHC engines from WWII aircraft. Does that mean DOHC is old technology as well??
Get a grip. Exotic does not mean reliable. We have a 24 hour race here that the Monaro (albeit with a 427 CID version) has won the last couple of years. Most of the exotic competitive Ferraris and Lambo's etc. break and drop out - often early on.
The build quality of the GTO and the other Holdens is very good. They are very comfortable and enjoyable cars to drive. Speaking from experience, here.
Cheers,
Hymee.
My rx7 has 350 rwhp and weighs 2735 lbs. So yes I have no doubt my rx7 will rape a GTO. My Rx8 is my grocery getter and is not getting modded.
03-04-2004, 09:54 PM
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Fast in a straight line.....slow in the curves......most RX-8 people are about balance.
I really don't like being called names but if it makes you feel better....
I really don't like being called names but if it makes you feel better....
03-04-2004, 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by 02LS1Z28
This is purely to Baller and some others in here who need to get there crap straight.
This is too Baller:
This link has been shared with now many f-body and gto sites. WE all think you are a ******* moron with your negativity towards a better car and ignorance towards ls1's. Your ignorance equates you to that of a ricer.
Baller, you must be the biggest moron i've ever heard on any sites. You think you know what you're speaking about but you really don't. Be silent little man and go pull your high 14's. You get worse gas mileage than me as my car sits now. You burn more oil, and would be outhandled pathetically too you idiot.
because you know nothing about cars.
Actually say hi Baller cause we're all watching your next dumb *** response. I'm an enthusiast and i dare you to bring it and back your **** up you little peice of ignorant trash.
This is purely to Baller and some others in here who need to get there crap straight.
This is too Baller:
This link has been shared with now many f-body and gto sites. WE all think you are a ******* moron with your negativity towards a better car and ignorance towards ls1's. Your ignorance equates you to that of a ricer.
Baller, you must be the biggest moron i've ever heard on any sites. You think you know what you're speaking about but you really don't. Be silent little man and go pull your high 14's. You get worse gas mileage than me as my car sits now. You burn more oil, and would be outhandled pathetically too you idiot.
because you know nothing about cars.
Actually say hi Baller cause we're all watching your next dumb *** response. I'm an enthusiast and i dare you to bring it and back your **** up you little peice of ignorant trash.
I think the Baller is right, he is just to nice to tell you that you must be a white trash, trash mouth punk with a small dick.
GM products are getting better but they cancelled the F-bodies for a good reason.....because they have no quality....just junk..rattle traps....good bye to the F-body may they all rust to the ground.
03-04-2004, 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Baller
Thanks RX_999!!!
The F-body cars are metal and heavy metal at that.....sorry Zerobanger........
Thanks RX_999!!!
The F-body cars are metal and heavy metal at that.....sorry Zerobanger........
03-04-2004, 11:02 PM
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The F-bodies (Camaro and Firebirds) have always been steel, only the hoods and front fenders on the newer ones is plastic.......so they will indeed rust to the ground.....or break.
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03-04-2004, 11:23 PM
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03-05-2004, 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by 02LS1Z28
Try an LS1 with a drop of suspension work will out handle you badly.
Try an LS1 with a drop of suspension work will out handle you badly.
It would need an insane amount of work and money and the rx-8 can be upgraded too.
This is not to flame the LS1, handling is not what it was designed to do.
03-05-2004, 02:48 PM
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Good post, i do not intend to mock you and am sorry if i came across to U that way. My negativity is directed towards the above too(they know). You bring about all valid points. The chasis' of the LS1's are not very good at all from the factory. WIth Lower arm controls ($150), SFC (110), Adju Panhard Rod, reloc bracekts (220), Hal Shocks in the rear(350), and eibach's (240) we can achieve some sick handling in these cars. Torque arms are necessary in our cars in order to properly "hook up" and reduce wheel spin. With the above items though our cars hang nicely in the autocross events with cars like the Rx-8 and other well handling automobiles. It doesn't take that much money at all either. People are very surprised by this but the F-bodies (98-up) are actually very well handling cars stock for what they are with the weight and all.
You sound like someone i would hope represents the Rx-8!
You sound like someone i would hope represents the Rx-8!
03-05-2004, 06:43 PM
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LS-1 vs. Rotary
Ok let me start off that this post is not intended to flame, so don't take it that way. I don't really see comparing a renesis and LS-1 as quite fair. Try comparing your stock LS-1 to oh say a ferrari engine. The ferrari engine is better, but it is more expensive. Rotaries have a very low cost of production, so I believe that it would be more fair to compare a rotary engine comparable in price to an LS1. Stock at the drag track the LS1 win will, because the rotary's position in the car and lighter weight make it more favorable for handling. Saying that a modded LS1 car will outhandle a stock RX-8 is like saying that a modded renesis will put out more power than a stock LS1. You can't accept only one of those statements.
Pushrod V-8's are ancient technology. However, they are ancient technology that still works well. It is kinda like a cathode ray tube. Look at a CRT (old tv) tv. A comparable CRT vs. a flat screen is much heavier, larger and cheaper. I see the flat screen kinda like the DOHC if that analogy helps.
Ok let me start off that this post is not intended to flame, so don't take it that way. I don't really see comparing a renesis and LS-1 as quite fair. Try comparing your stock LS-1 to oh say a ferrari engine. The ferrari engine is better, but it is more expensive. Rotaries have a very low cost of production, so I believe that it would be more fair to compare a rotary engine comparable in price to an LS1. Stock at the drag track the LS1 win will, because the rotary's position in the car and lighter weight make it more favorable for handling. Saying that a modded LS1 car will outhandle a stock RX-8 is like saying that a modded renesis will put out more power than a stock LS1. You can't accept only one of those statements.
Pushrod V-8's are ancient technology. However, they are ancient technology that still works well. It is kinda like a cathode ray tube. Look at a CRT (old tv) tv. A comparable CRT vs. a flat screen is much heavier, larger and cheaper. I see the flat screen kinda like the DOHC if that analogy helps.
03-05-2004, 09:53 PM
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Well, wakeech said it earlier but it bears repeating:
DOHC isn't flat out superior to pushrod across the board. DOHC engines tend to put out more power per cubic inch of cylinder displacement, but pushrods take up less space and put out more power per unit of total engine mass.
If I recall correctly, the 350 horsepower 5.7L pushrod V8 in the GTO weighs less than the 300 horsepower 4.6L DOHC NorthStar V8 in the XLR.
DOHC isn't flat out superior to pushrod across the board. DOHC engines tend to put out more power per cubic inch of cylinder displacement, but pushrods take up less space and put out more power per unit of total engine mass.
If I recall correctly, the 350 horsepower 5.7L pushrod V8 in the GTO weighs less than the 300 horsepower 4.6L DOHC NorthStar V8 in the XLR.
03-05-2004, 10:31 PM
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You're a funny guy baller, but looks are not everything. Your only defense it too presume i am a minor and that for some reason i can't spell. Hmm my spelling looks fine, i think your ghetto mind can't understand English. So you're not only an ignorant fool but a retard also. I see it clearly now. Well i now believe you are just a little ricer without a clue to how a car works. I would question you owning anything other than a kia wagon. Congratulations you are the joke of many sites right now loser. LOL.
By the way i've already shown what you can do too an f-body to maneuver it well. Sorry to say but my car like others of my kind with the same work will keep up through the twisties with you. Totally run and the misconception is really sad. Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other? For the price of a ferrari i can buy a ZO6 which will outhandle it with a little work and blow it away on the straights with a little work and still save a good 100k. Bad analogy on the ferrari part. Stock for stock an rx-8 will outhandle an f-body.
The response though is too the fact that this moron baller is bashing a car which he knows nothing about. The two cars are in different categories. Stock for Stock it's not a race in the 1/4. Handeling is in the rx-8's corner. I can't understand calling an ohv f-body crap like this moron said. If the engine is so bad then why can't you keep up baller? Well i tell you, even if YOU had 500 horsepower in a 69 cheville you still wouldn't be able to keep up with a stock civic because you are an ignorant freak who uses the same moronic, simplisitic argument which proves nothing in your defense. Why don't you go ban me again because you can't understand what i'm talking about due to your limits of brain power in your narrow minded skull you dumb bitch. You've been OWNED!:D
By the way i've already shown what you can do too an f-body to maneuver it well. Sorry to say but my car like others of my kind with the same work will keep up through the twisties with you. Totally run and the misconception is really sad. Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other? For the price of a ferrari i can buy a ZO6 which will outhandle it with a little work and blow it away on the straights with a little work and still save a good 100k. Bad analogy on the ferrari part. Stock for stock an rx-8 will outhandle an f-body.
The response though is too the fact that this moron baller is bashing a car which he knows nothing about. The two cars are in different categories. Stock for Stock it's not a race in the 1/4. Handeling is in the rx-8's corner. I can't understand calling an ohv f-body crap like this moron said. If the engine is so bad then why can't you keep up baller? Well i tell you, even if YOU had 500 horsepower in a 69 cheville you still wouldn't be able to keep up with a stock civic because you are an ignorant freak who uses the same moronic, simplisitic argument which proves nothing in your defense. Why don't you go ban me again because you can't understand what i'm talking about due to your limits of brain power in your narrow minded skull you dumb bitch. You've been OWNED!:D
03-05-2004, 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by 02Z28
You're a funny guy baller, but looks are not everything. Your only defense it too presume i am a minor and that for some reason i can't spell. Hmm my spelling looks fine, i think your ghetto mind can't understand English. So you're not only an ignorant fool but a retard also. I see it clearly now. Well i now believe you are just a little ricer without a clue to how a car works. I would question you owning anything other than a kia wagon. Congratulations you are the joke of many sites right now loser. LOL.
By the way i've already shown what you can do too an f-body to maneuver it well. Sorry to say but my car like others of my kind with the same work will keep up through the twisties with you. Totally run and the misconception is really sad. Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other? For the price of a ferrari i can buy a ZO6 which will outhandle it with a little work and blow it away on the straights with a little work and still save a good 100k. Bad analogy on the ferrari part. Stock for stock an rx-8 will outhandle an f-body.
The response though is too the fact that this moron baller is bashing a car which he knows nothing about. The two cars are in different categories. Stock for Stock it's not a race in the 1/4. Handeling is in the rx-8's corner. I can't understand calling an ohv f-body crap like this moron said. If the engine is so bad then why can't you keep up baller? Well i tell you, even if YOU had 500 horsepower in a 69 cheville you still wouldn't be able to keep up with a stock civic because you are an ignorant freak who uses the same moronic, simplisitic argument which proves nothing in your defense. Why don't you go ban me again because you can't understand what i'm talking about due to your limits of brain power in your narrow minded skull you dumb bitch. You've been OWNED!:D
You're a funny guy baller, but looks are not everything. Your only defense it too presume i am a minor and that for some reason i can't spell. Hmm my spelling looks fine, i think your ghetto mind can't understand English. So you're not only an ignorant fool but a retard also. I see it clearly now. Well i now believe you are just a little ricer without a clue to how a car works. I would question you owning anything other than a kia wagon. Congratulations you are the joke of many sites right now loser. LOL.
By the way i've already shown what you can do too an f-body to maneuver it well. Sorry to say but my car like others of my kind with the same work will keep up through the twisties with you. Totally run and the misconception is really sad. Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other? For the price of a ferrari i can buy a ZO6 which will outhandle it with a little work and blow it away on the straights with a little work and still save a good 100k. Bad analogy on the ferrari part. Stock for stock an rx-8 will outhandle an f-body.
The response though is too the fact that this moron baller is bashing a car which he knows nothing about. The two cars are in different categories. Stock for Stock it's not a race in the 1/4. Handeling is in the rx-8's corner. I can't understand calling an ohv f-body crap like this moron said. If the engine is so bad then why can't you keep up baller? Well i tell you, even if YOU had 500 horsepower in a 69 cheville you still wouldn't be able to keep up with a stock civic because you are an ignorant freak who uses the same moronic, simplisitic argument which proves nothing in your defense. Why don't you go ban me again because you can't understand what i'm talking about due to your limits of brain power in your narrow minded skull you dumb bitch. You've been OWNED!:D
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Hmm i have a page of comments on how much was said against Ls1's, Fbodies, Gto's, Etc.
Yup banned, but yet others on here can call names and bash cars way before i was here.--bashing others cars. Hmm calling white trash. But his post doesn't get deleted. Maybe because this is bias.
Hyprocritical. You can say stuff about other cars but when somebody debates you then you ban them. Good one.
Since you spew so much stuff against our cars, don't bother ever coming to any of our sites. You do not want to hear it and neither do we. This whole deal has been posted on our sites and will be documented of how hyprocritical this site is.
You can also delete certain posts but it's all been copied.
Yup banned, but yet others on here can call names and bash cars way before i was here.--bashing others cars. Hmm calling white trash. But his post doesn't get deleted. Maybe because this is bias.
Hyprocritical. You can say stuff about other cars but when somebody debates you then you ban them. Good one.
Since you spew so much stuff against our cars, don't bother ever coming to any of our sites. You do not want to hear it and neither do we. This whole deal has been posted on our sites and will be documented of how hyprocritical this site is.
You can also delete certain posts but it's all been copied.
03-06-2004, 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by Z28
Hmm i have a page of comments on how much was said against Ls1's, Fbodies, Gto's, Etc.
Yup banned, but yet others on here can call names and bash cars way before i was here.--bashing others cars. Hmm calling white trash. But his post doesn't get deleted. Maybe because this is bias.
Hyprocritical. You can say stuff about other cars but when somebody debates you then you ban them. Good one.
Since you spew so much stuff against our cars, don't bother ever coming to any of our sites. You do not want to hear it and neither do we. This whole deal has been posted on our sites and will be documented of how hyprocritical this site is.
You can also delete certain posts but it's all been copied.
Hmm i have a page of comments on how much was said against Ls1's, Fbodies, Gto's, Etc.
Yup banned, but yet others on here can call names and bash cars way before i was here.--bashing others cars. Hmm calling white trash. But his post doesn't get deleted. Maybe because this is bias.
Hyprocritical. You can say stuff about other cars but when somebody debates you then you ban them. Good one.
Since you spew so much stuff against our cars, don't bother ever coming to any of our sites. You do not want to hear it and neither do we. This whole deal has been posted on our sites and will be documented of how hyprocritical this site is.
You can also delete certain posts but it's all been copied.
03-06-2004, 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by 02Z28
Your Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other?
Your Why would you compare a ferrari to an Rx-8?? The Rx-8 is the same price so why wouldn't you compare two cars which cost the same to each other?