Z28

I acutally wasn't referring to you as baller ^^^^^. I meant to write not right comparing a Ferrari engine to an LS1 and in that fact you can compare an LS6 to one and it's just as fast. You could when they were new get a Z-28, Formula, Transam for high 20's which is what i believe the Rx-8 goes for. Now the Rx-8 is not 8k cheaper than the GTO. If you were to put a turbo and reinforce your car to handle it, you would pay a good deal of money. It is by no where's cheap. For that price the Gto can do minor bolt on's and be in the mid 12's. To get the Rx-8 there you would need a turbo running a good amount of psi which would cause you to buy other parts and would end up costing you more money.

To say a rotary engine is more reliable is false. The rotary engine is documented to be a troubled engine which burns a great amount of oil and is having numerous maintanenece problems. I do not believe that the rotary will last longer under the same conditions because of this same oil problem. The rotary rev's forever which is putting more stress on it and will decrease it's life. Why would you think i'm trading my car in? I'm actually in the process of making the car a full race car and will own it forever as a track car. I will be buying a new LS2 C6 because it is a great engine, great all around car, and the best on the market for the price almost in every category. I'm sure you will debate that but it's the truth. I also think the new Cobra is great too. I'm sure my car will hold up, i just hope your engine doesn't have any problems or you don't burn it up. Good luck with it.

Z28

and i also posted a link but it was already deleted. Since i'm a thug like in your picture, talk to your moderator, he has it. Figure it's like your principal in the high school you attend.

Rotarian_SC

I think i could put a complete turbo system in there that would give me the same LS1 performance for about 5k. Remember how turbos work better on rotaries. In terms of reliability issues, you are partially correct. Rotaries that are having problems are turbo rotaries and rotaries owned by people who don't know how to take care of them. Actually N/A rotaries are documented to be very reliable. About the revs, that is the point. They don't hurt the car like in a normal piston engine. The stress being put on the GTO at 4k rpms is much less than the stress being put on a Renesis. The same goes through all the rev range. Not much damage is being done even at the redline. The thing that limited the redline in this car was that you couldn't get any more power at 9k rpms because the engine was spinning to fast to get any more power without advanced ignition timing. Your V8 has an average of 97 major moving parts, while a rotary only has 3. That is 94 more major moving parts in that engine that can fail. The burning oil thing is not a problem as all the deposits it would leave get removed when you rev the car. If I were looking at a track car I would have gone with a RX7, Supra or 300ZX instead. I don't doubt that if you had the money to buy a GTO and are making it your track car while having a C6 as another car you could have gotten one of those instead, even a used one and put a new engine in.

I do however think that the C6 is looking promising. They have put an interior in it instead of using the one from their minivan, but I don't know if it has a parking brake now. I don't know about the new mustang though. Some of my friends have had GT's and one had a Cobra, and all of their stangs had problems. It depends on if Ford can fix that and if the new platform is as good as they say it is.

Z28

I like the Supra's and do have a good amount of money but i'm more of an american muscle myself. I just love the LS1. I put nothing but headers in the car with 373 gears and i ran mid 12's stock. It is said to be one of the best small block engines ever built. These engines can take a lot of abuse and they never have problems at all. NOW the big deal is the trannies. That's a whole new discussion. Trannies suck but that's just the way it is if you beat a car up. People have spent 4k on superchargers onthese cars and they pull 11's. It's a very capable engine and one which does not break at all. The problems documented are trannys in the auto's. The T-56 tranny in the 6 speeds are excellent though. I have a very good friend who has a supra with bolt ons but they have serious traction problems. Once he does the suspension he will be 12's.

Elara

Thanks for the charming note. As soon as you can post something without making offensive remarks about people's sexual orientation, and can state your position politely without insulting other members, you can stay. Your banning has nothing to do with your opinions, it has everything to do with your behavior. I have no time to go through and edit your posts word by word, so I will continue to delete them until they are rational and polite. Until then, we have no room for anyone who personally attacks others for no reason. Everyone involved in this crap has been warned as well. If you had a problem, why didn't you report it instead of acting like an *** in front of everyone?

And that's "she" not "he."

And that goes for all of you. Re-read your TOS.

zerobanger

Elara..

You Go Girl!!!

Ike

You're not just slapping a turbo kit on and running with an LS1, it ain't happening, especially if they just get some basic inexpensive bolt-ons for the LS1. You're a bit off with that turbo's work better with rotaries statement considering the difficulties tuners are having adding a turbo to the renesis and the cooling nightmares of the previous turbo RX-7s.

Also, the Supra and the 300Z are not very good track cars, they're very moddable but make for better highway cruisers and dyno queens than anything else. They're heavy and lacking in the handling department unless you want to drop tons of money into suspension and weight reduction. The RX-7s can make very good track cars but the cooling issues become an even larger factor.

zerobanger

turbos work better with a rotary in respect to the fact that they require much less boost than other small displacement engines. Take an evo for example, what is it 17 PSI to get 278 HP?

the rx7 got 255 at only 10 psi and that was with a severely restricted exhaust.

Ike

The EVO has more boost because it can have more boost and still be reliable, which IMO makes it better... You're also comparing a 2.0l engine that will pass today's federal emission standards to basicly a 2.6l that would not. Both impressive cars, but your post does nothing to support that turbps work better with rotaries than they do piston engines, and in fact supports otherwise.

zerobanger

first off, thats a 1.3, not a 2.6. Second, this has nothing to do with emissions. Im simply stating a fact. If you can get 275 HP @ 11 psi or get it at 18 or 19 PSI, what would you rather do?

Don't give me crap about the evo being reliable, its not been proven here yet.

Ike

When comparing a rotary to a piston engine it's only 1.3l in rotary fan's little dream worlds. If I can get 275 hp @ 19 psi on an engine that has been proven for the last 15 years to be reliable doing so (save for a few years when Mitsubishi used bad quality cranks) , I'll take that over an engine running 11 psi that has proven to need to be replaced regularly as a result of the heat created while running boost.

zerobanger

what ever, its 1.3 liters of displacement.

I'm getting laid in 20 minutes so im signing off. good luck in your little dream world.

Ike

So your "date" arrives at 5:30 huh (depending on your timezone) , be sure to wear a condom and make the most of the time you paid for!

Rotarian_SC

It just struck me that it would make more sense to use a 2 seater instead of a 4 seater for a track car of any type. I mean there are a few good two seaters, the S4, M3, RX8, GTO. But I think if you really wanted a track car you would have a two seater for the lower weight.

Rotarian_SC

Oh yeah, the Evo's among other cars have had cooling problems as well due to their oil turbos. 3000GT, anymore good track cars I left out? I believe the C6 should be a pretty good track car anyway

Ike

I think you mean a few good 4 seaters... It's not the number of seats nor doors for that matter, it's the dynamics of the car. The best track cars, for a street legal track car, come in all shapes and sizes. Once you start getting serious about a dedicated track car, you're only going to have one seat and a gutted interior.

Hymee

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What about 1 seat and no interior, open wheels, wings, 18,500RPM...

I must have been watching the F1 in Australia this weekend.

Ike

The EVO doesn't have problems with their engine due to an oil cooled turbo though. It just means you have to let t idle for a bit after driving it hard, or get a turbotimer. This is to increase the life of the turbo and isn't related to engine durability. The 3000GT is an even worse track car than the Supra or 300Z, heavier and even worse handling.

Best somewhat affordable imported track cars of the last 10 years or so...

RX-7
EVOs
STi & WRX
MR2
Elise
Integra Type R
S2000
350Z
RX-8
Miata
DSMs
Celica
Minis

And some other's that I'm sure I'm forgetting.

Rotarian_SC

MR2 turbos are nice . The Elise isn't street legal in america yet i believe, but they are sending over an american version soon. Of course I could be wrong. Skyline, the M3 is supposed to be on par with the RX8 and 350Z if not better. I heard the STi had a handling problem, but I could be wrong.

Ike

Skyline (in it's previous form) is not available in the US so I didn't include it, but included the Elise because it's about to be here and there are some people importing them and putting Typr R engines in them. The M3 is a very formidable track car and is better than the RX-8 and 350Z but kind of falls out of most people's price range and the Elise is certainly close to doing so as well. I figured under 40k would be a good place to stop. There is no problem with the STi, other than the fact that the EVO handles a little bit better. But it will still beat most of those cars listed around a non autox track. Both cars come close to having the fastest slalom speeds ever, including exotics, in any magazine that has tested them.

Rotarian_SC

I saw that top gear got the same time on its track for the M3, Rx8, and 350Z

I haven't checked elsewhere though, but I wouldn't be surprised if the M3 was better.

Baller

Ah yes, the bane of General Motors' existence — and the reason, I'm convinced, for the company's continued market share slide. Seat time in a Z28 or Firebird Trans Am never fails to put a smile on my face, beckoning me to pick one up for myself. But as soon as I exit the cars' cockpit, the logical side of my brain takes over. I find myself thinking back to our experiences with the Oldsmobile Intrigue, Cadillac Seville and Hummer 2. Each of these vehicles offered a stunning drivetrain, acceptable — if not attractive — styling and reasonable value ... just like the F-bodies. And each of them proved an ordeal in terms of unscheduled and annoying dealer visits. At 20,000 miles on the odometer, they had all suffered mechanical malfunctions ranging from defective power steering to massive electrical gremlins to broken seat adjustments. By contrast, Mazda RX-8 has suffered fairly innocuous problems, and the Range Rover we have for almost a year has been nearly flawless in terms of mechanical problems. No matter how much fun I have behind the wheel of an F-body, I can't get over my fear of what the car will be like as the years, and miles, add up. I am sure and I hope that the American auto makers get it together before it's too late.

The Baller

Supraman

I think the Baller has said it best.

tschangrx7

If you wanted a reliable car, baller, you shouldn't have bought a first year model RX-8, which is built on a new platform, with a new engine, etc. It will have recalls and problems too.

Baller

My RX-8 is very reliable.......but you can bet your butt that the new GTO is just like most GM products......JUNK.
I was going to buy the new Caddy V for my wife and after the first drive, the interior looked like it was made by RUBBERMAID....cheap, great engine bad tranny......I bought the wife a new Z......so we will see which is better....the RX-8 or Z.
Time will tell, but I can tell everyone right now I like the RX-8 better.

The Baller