playdoh43

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...asp?ID=2006133

saturn

Haha, here we go again.

playdoh43

^^^you know it

Ajax

do we have last year's numbers somewhere for reference?

playdoh43

saturn

I like how even the #1 company on the list has over 100 problems per 100 cars.

playdoh43

porsche fell hard from 1 year ago, seems the 997 are not as reliable as the 996

CarAndDriver

Land Rover got much worse -- I have read that their SUVs fall about at a whim. I heard the new LR3 is just atrocious.

Mazda is about where I expected--in the middle. Mazda has never been known for Toyota and Honda like reliability.

Good to see some American brands towards the top.

PoorCollegeKid

That data is on 3 year old vehicles, so the 2006 survey would have looked at vehicles from 2003. The 997 didn't bow in until the 2005 model year, so they aren't included in this survey.

rodrigo67

Next year we should see the mazda3's start to show up on this survey and should do really well but will it be enough to offset the RX8's and the mazda6's...

ASH8

Sorry Guys, and its not because I don't like the result, But, ...

"Problems per 100 Cars"....Problems....

So if your brakes squeak or your brake rotors rust...that's a "Problem"?
Or if your dealer Service guy gives you poor service in your eyes..that's a "Problem"?
If the owner puts the wrong grade gas in the tank and the car runs crap...that's a Problem?
If a bird ***** on your car and marks your duco..that's a Problem?

So, Mazda ,Subaru, Nissan, Mitsubishi...have more "Problems" per 100 cars in the US than a Ford or Buick or Chevrolet, Chrysler....ha ha ha...yeah right.

There is a load of difference between a RELIABLE Brand to a Problem Brand...

Particularly when the "Problem" is not the car but the OWNER!.

Here we go.....again...hey Saturn

ASH8

In the US maybe...the rest of the world has a different result and opinion.

ASH8

RECALLS FOR 2006

http://www.autospies.com/news/The-Fi...of-2006-11712/

DaimlerChrysler Corp.
2,390,658 PRODUCTION
2,267,812 RECALLS
94.86%

Ford Motor Company
2,900,911
1,831,809
63.15%

American Honda Motor Co. Inc.
1,509,358
1,670,173
110.65%

Nissan North America Inc.
1,019,249
1,161,821
113.99%

General Motors Corp.
4,065,341
1,157,900
28.48%

Volkswagen of America Inc.
329,113
882,364
268.10%

Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc.
2,542,524
719,541
28.30%

Isuzu Motors America Inc.
8,614
407,286
4728.19%

Hyundai Motor America
455,520
186,193
40.87%

BMW of North America Inc.
313,963
186,131
59.28%

Mitsubishi Motors N. A., Inc.
118,558
126,622
106.80%

Kia Motors America Inc.
294,301
50,070
17.01%

American Suzuki Motor Corp.
100,990
42,752
42.33%

Mazda Motor of America Inc.
268,786
35,500
13.21%

Porsche Cars N.A. Inc.
34,227
5,094
14.88%

Ferrari of N.A. Inc.
1,517
216
14.24%

Subaru of America Inc.
200,699
0
0.00%

Maserati of N.A. Inc.
2,104
0
0.00%

ASH8

Congratulations to Chrysler,Ford,Honda,Nissan,VW,Isuzu, BMW,Mitsubishi for your high recalls numbers.

Bad performance...Subaru, Maserati, Mazda, Ferrari, Kia for having so few recalls for 2006.

But then a recall is not a Problem.

playdoh43

LOL someones bitter

BillyPilgrim

LOL... you don't have to look very closely at this to realize the data is less than useful.... I mean, Buick is right up there near Lexus, does that mean I'm gonna go buy one? Uhhhh....
No.

CarAndDriver

Uhhh. No.

It serves a purpose in showing the relative likelihood of getting a reliable car from any given manufacturer.

It does not quantify driving characteristics or other facets.

BillyPilgrim

Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't... that is obviously in how you interpret what a problem is as was already pointed out above. Besides... I don't think you will be able to get a reliable Oldsmobile, yet they seem to be above average. More useful data.

ASH8

Has anyone here actually had a Questionnaire from JDP, for their "Long Term Vehicle Dependability" survey 2003? for any brand or model.

What questions are asked?, obviously ones with multiple choice answers.? tick the box!

What are the Vehicle Park or Numbers of owners asked to participate, and if you want to participate how can you?

I found it, so from the 15 Million or so cars sold in the United States each year JDP surveys 47,620!, over 37 brands....gee that's a great SNAP SHOT!

I think I prefer the recent Warranty Survey in the US and UK of 450,000 policy holders (cars 3-9yo) with actual claims of repairs...

ASH8

From JDP

The study, which measures problems experienced by original owners of 3-year-old (2003 model-year) vehicles, finds that there is an ever-smaller gap in reported problems between luxury and higher-volume brands—averaging 15 PP100, down from 31 PP100 in 2003. Quality improvements with non-luxury brands are seen primarily in two categories—ride, handling, braking, and engine and transmission—which both have a strong impact on customer satisfaction.

BillyPilgrim

Also, if this is such good data, can someone explain why Porsche fell 20 spots in one year. Seems like a pretty volatile field for a "long term" survey.

ASH8

From JDP

“Perceptions about dependability can have a tremendous impact on an owner’s satisfaction with their vehicle, which is no small matter for manufacturers,” said Oddes. “In terms of retained value, recommendation and repurchase intent, and component replacement, vehicle dependability can have a direct impact on a manufacturer’s bottom line.”

So we won't let the "facts" get in the way of a customers perception on dependability.

CarAndDriver

Could be a variety of factors....the Cayenne was introduced in 2002 and could have affected the outcome. That is one possible reason.

BillyPilgrim

Perhaps the Cayenne is the culprit, but this only further proves the point that this data is virtually useless. If one model of a selected brand could lower it's rating that much, it sounds like bad data. MSN/Consumer reports lists the Cayenne as above average reliability.

Personally, I believe JD Power would have trouble determining if it the sun was reliable since there would invariably be a lot of people who would complain that it is cloudy where they live. And it only shines 50% of the time!

If you want to believe that Cadillac, Buick, and Mercury are "more dependable" than Toyota, Acura, and Honda.... then I am never going to be able to change your mind. Just remember there are lies, damn lies, and statistical lies. And we all know which ones are hardest to disprove.

Some other interesting thoughts:

http://www.radaronline.com/features/...associates.php

http://blogs.automotive.com/6202358/...ity/index.html

playdoh43

great logic there, ferrari, maserati and kia are obviously super dependable cars