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Ditto. Seriously. The only reason I passed up on mechanical engineering in college was because I had to admit that after advanced algebra and calculus in high school... I hate math and I'm not a math genius.
I also liked engineering but my math was just not good enough, I blame myself.
And I have been in love with cars since I was 2 or 3 years old.
Dreams...die hard....
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
A second issue. I don't think that the Camaro is supposed to come back. I heard it is just rumors. It would be a great marketing ploy though.
#178
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Pretty good summation…so is there an agreed (industry wise) summation of what American car companies are good at?
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Do you think Ford would ever go crazy and build their own rotary, using Mazda’s rotary??
#179
Originally Posted by Japan8
How do you (how did you) get a job in product development? What exactly do you do? Is it a more on the technical level or more on the sales/marketing level kind of job?
Damn... that's the kind of job I've dreamed of since elementary school...
Damn... that's the kind of job I've dreamed of since elementary school...
#180
Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
^I 2nd that Japan8, other than playing football...that was my dream job. What a lucky guy (not to take away from his hard work of course).
You know what...I'm not even greedy, I'd love to do nothing but build cars all day...gosh, talk about taking pride in your job.
Bascho...you got to get me a job...lol
You know what...I'm not even greedy, I'd love to do nothing but build cars all day...gosh, talk about taking pride in your job.
Bascho...you got to get me a job...lol
Haven't you heard, Ford is going to be letting like 30,000 people go between now and 2008. We are definitely not hiring.....sorry
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#181
Originally Posted by Japan8
The Mazda6? The Fusion? Both? Is Ford going to FINALLY put a MT in the V6 AWD model?
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What if what you were shopping for was a G35c or 330ci? What is there in the Ford family to buy?
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BTW... Lincoln styling sucks *****. The LS platform is good... as we can see particularly in the Mustang. But the styling bites and no stick in the V8 model?! Come on Ford! I'd just go buy a Caddie CTS-V with a STICK and be happy.
Originally Posted by Japan8
Uh... let's just say I almost entirely disagree. Efficiency? The Japanese? Are YOU serious?! Bwahahahaha. The Japanese are as efficient as the US (or most any other) government... in corporate, banking and government. What you percieve as such things is merely the outward appearance of a very illogical, inefficient, inflexible system... "the image of harmony"... to quote an interesting reading. http://www.thejapanfaq.com/FAQ-Primer.html Actually after reading this... you'll start to understand where I'm coming from.
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Take a look at these two briefs:
"Management Rights" and "Major Shareholders in Banks"
http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/FR/TNKS/...sary/m_01.html
That should about clear it up. Ford owns enough more than 1/3 of Mazda's shares which gives them veto rights at shareholder meetings by law. They are also the largest single shareholder. Thus Ford has control of Mazda's management decisions. In today's world... that means owns. Besides... the Japanese are VERY funny about foreign ownership and even funny about corporate takeovers by other Japanese companies. It would be... more trouble than it's worth to go to 100% of outsanding shares or even 51%. Japanese banking and corporations is... a headache to say the least.
"Management Rights" and "Major Shareholders in Banks"
http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/FR/TNKS/...sary/m_01.html
That should about clear it up. Ford owns enough more than 1/3 of Mazda's shares which gives them veto rights at shareholder meetings by law. They are also the largest single shareholder. Thus Ford has control of Mazda's management decisions. In today's world... that means owns. Besides... the Japanese are VERY funny about foreign ownership and even funny about corporate takeovers by other Japanese companies. It would be... more trouble than it's worth to go to 100% of outsanding shares or even 51%. Japanese banking and corporations is... a headache to say the least.
#182
Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs
A few things to address:
Those ragging the Camaro, past or potential future makes: I dare you not race any that have an 8 cyl. and are in decent condition. I was not a Camaro fan myself until my brother got a 94 Z28 a few years ago in excellent condition. Point being, don't pick a fight with a bully... the Z28 or SS will win.
I know so from many sibling vs. sibling, ego bashing races. (But he does love the way the RX8 handles, looks, and stops on a dime)
A second issue. I don't think that the Camaro is supposed to come back. I heard it is just rumors. It would be a great marketing ploy though.
Those ragging the Camaro, past or potential future makes: I dare you not race any that have an 8 cyl. and are in decent condition. I was not a Camaro fan myself until my brother got a 94 Z28 a few years ago in excellent condition. Point being, don't pick a fight with a bully... the Z28 or SS will win.
I know so from many sibling vs. sibling, ego bashing races. (But he does love the way the RX8 handles, looks, and stops on a dime)
A second issue. I don't think that the Camaro is supposed to come back. I heard it is just rumors. It would be a great marketing ploy though.
#183
Originally Posted by snizzle
I think they are trying to gauge public/press reaction to this new concept car. I don't think it's been set in stone when/if the Camaro is returning.
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Originally Posted by bascho
I agree with that fact that the Camaro is no slug in the straightline speed catagory.....I love the SS version. But, I will disagree with the SS being a bully that cannot be beat. I have two friends, one with a 2002 SS convertible and the other with a 2003 Cobra. The Cobra beats that SS in every straightline race they've had. So I would say that the 2003-2004 Cobra is the exception to the Mustang vs. Camaro rule.......I'm sure the 55 extra ponies under the Mustangs hood is the reason.
Ehem.... and the supercharger it took to get up to that point.....
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he says that GM is still tossing up the idea of a '09 Chevelle instead of a Camaro.
****Commencing prayer for Lutz to slap some sense into GM, OK DONE*****
LOL…gosh
Well, again this is all talk untill we learn more. I hope they do build it...
#186
Originally Posted by snizzle
Well the extra weight of the convertible is one factor.
Ehem.... and the supercharger it took to get up to that point.....
Ehem.... and the supercharger it took to get up to that point.....
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#187
Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
…wow, and GM wonders why they have lost touch from reailty??? Why in the world would they bring out the Chevelle instead of the Camaro???
****Commencing prayer for Lutz to slap some sense into GM, OK DONE*****
LOL…gosh
Well, again this is all talk untill we learn more. I hope they do build it...
****Commencing prayer for Lutz to slap some sense into GM, OK DONE*****
LOL…gosh
Well, again this is all talk untill we learn more. I hope they do build it...
Why do you say that? A retro Chevelle would have just as strong a following as a retro Camaro. Hey, a '70 Chevelle SS with the LS6-454 is a badass ride.
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Originally Posted by bascho
It is definitely not a sure thing. My best friend's dad is a high-level GM exec (you can imagine the discussions he and I get into), he says that GM is still tossing up the idea of a '09 Chevelle instead of a Camaro.
Hey GM, bring back the Chevette please (ok, not a fair comparison but still....)
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Originally Posted by bascho
The weight is less of an issue with substantial difference in power....even a hardtop would've been beaten. But I agree, they are not evenly matched....but that doesn't stop the SS guy from trying ![Smilie](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I look forward to Ford getting some competition again in the muscle car segment.
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Why do you say that? A retro Chevelle would have just as strong a following as a retro Camaro. Hey, a '70 Chevelle SS with the LS6-454 is a badass ride.
#193
Originally Posted by snizzle
I just feel like a lot more people will recognize the Camaro name and know what it stands for (especially younger people) than the Chevelle.
I definitely think that younger people recognize the Camaro name over the Chevelle name....no question. But the marketing guru's are not considering 'America's youth' as their target market for these retro muscle cars. They have a much greater appeal to the baby boomers that owned the original versions. I am just guessing, but I bet they target 35-60 yr old males. I don't know too many young people that can afford the insurance on 2-door, V8 powered RWD muscle cars very easily. Usually the young folks own the V6 versions....which in my opinion SUCK!!!
Dodge is thinking of bringing back the Challenger name.....that is another name plate that died out in the 70's like the Chevelle. Remember, GM is not thinking only of Ford if they bring a retro muscle car to the market. They would want to be competitive with both Ford Mustangs, Dodge Chargers and Dodge Challengers.....that is why GM is torn between Chevelle and Camaro. Personally, if it looks good and has the right amount of power, I don't care what they call it.
#194
Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
Oh, and didn't the Camaro have more history?
#195
Originally Posted by bascho
I agree with that fact that the Camaro is no slug in the straightline speed catagory.....I love the SS version. But, I will disagree with the SS being a bully that cannot be beat. I have two friends, one with a 2002 SS convertible and the other with a 2003 Cobra. The Cobra beats that SS in every straightline race they've had. So I would say that the 2003-2004 Cobra is the exception to the Mustang vs. Camaro rule.......I'm sure the 55 extra ponies under the Mustangs hood is the reason.
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Originally Posted by bascho
Not sure if the next gen of the Mazda 6 is going to have the Duratec 35 or AWD. I do know that SVT is playing around with the idea of using the MS6 engine to offer a SVT Fusion.....not sure if that is still on the table or not. SVT also had plans for a new SVT Focus with the turbo engine from the Volvo S40......but ended up scrubbing the idea.
And SVT Fusion? AWD and that engine tuned a bit better (as I know SVT can)... I just might have to consider one. It'd better be stick.... I'm getting really sick of the lack of MT... ESPECIALLY by US automakers.
Doh! That would have been a nice Focus. Although I have to admit... I'm not a fan of the Focus styling. I REALLY don't like the interior of the new Civic, but would probably get one over the Focus. There is just something... both bland and "ewww" about the styling.
Nothing other than the RX8.....in the US.
I hear ya.....and I agree, Ford let the Lincoln name go to waste. But that issue has been addressed and Lincoln is going to turn the brand around......a lot like Caddie did. The 2007 MKX is pretty nice and anyone that was looking at a Lexus RX series needs to have the MKX on their cross-shop list. The Zephyr has a more performance bred cousing coming called the MKS. The MKS is just a concept this year....but it is very close to being a production car if the market shows interest at NAIAS this year. There are some more coming....but I cannot talk about them yet.
I am not going to argue with you on this one as you are obviously well versed in Japanese culture. I would only say that I meant Japanese automakers have shown those attributes that I meantioned earlier.
In automanufacturing... well a former co-worker's uncle works high up in Toyota. He said you never want to work there... it's the most boring job around. Engineers just work on one part of a subsystem... like it would be your job just to design mirrors for the Lexus IS... and that is all you do. So of course they are well-made.
Again in autos... Japanese cultural norms can cause big problems leading to crappy products. Mitsubishi would be the best example. Superiors ignore or hide problems and juniors have to toe the line because if they don't they get bullied, not promoted or fired.
But enough about this...
I agree with your definition of ownership. I also agree that Ford has all the control they could want being a 33% shareholder.....and that 51% would offer no benefit. Probably why Ford has not increased it's stake in Mazda.
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Originally Posted by snizzle
Well the extra weight of the convertible is one factor.
Ehem.... and the supercharger it took to get up to that point.....
Ehem.... and the supercharger it took to get up to that point.....
The Mustang Cobra uses what? 4.6L V8?
OH... I thought so. Use of a supercharger is more than fair in this case. If both were a smiliar displacement, then it's another story.
#199
Originally Posted by Japan8
I thought so. Ford is losing out on this market segment. Try the Thunderbird name again... but this time as a hardtop (or retractable hardtop) competitor for this market. Oh well. At least I like the RX-8...
I would start with the Jag XK platform, using its two powertrains, both the standard V8 and the supercharged V8 with 400hp. Redo the retro along the 1955-57 lines and go after the Vette. The T-bird and the Vette were huge competitors in that time period....until '58 when Ford decided to go bigger. I would again offer both soft-top convertibles and removeable hardtops. Set the base price right around $40K with the standard V8 and $45K for the supercharged. I think that would sell.
What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by Japan8
And the Camaro SS' displacement is? 5.7L was it?
The Mustang Cobra uses what? 4.6L V8?
OH... I thought so. Use of a supercharger is more than fair in this case. If both were a smiliar displacement, then it's another story.
The Mustang Cobra uses what? 4.6L V8?
OH... I thought so. Use of a supercharger is more than fair in this case. If both were a smiliar displacement, then it's another story.
The engines are very different anyway with the 4.6 being a SOHC and the 5.7 being a pushrod. As you know i'm sure, the Mustang engine being more complex and technically superior. I'm more impressed with N/A power since bolting on a supercharger seemed like the only way the Mustang was going to catch up using the same powertrain. They've got a 5.4 now for a reason in the new GT500.
But being the Mustang guy that you are, I could see how you'd have a problem with my earlier statement
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