2009 Mazda 6 FIRST DRIVE by Patrick Bedard
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2009 Mazda 6 FIRST DRIVE by Patrick Bedard
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review
wow the pics are amazing.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ew-photos.html
Mazda might have a segment killer
wow the pics are amazing.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ew-photos.html
Mazda might have a segment killer
2009 Mazda 6 - First Drive Review
Supersize that? An undersized Mazda inches up to Accord parity.
BY PATRICK BEDARD
May 2008
Time to say bye-bye to the original Mazda 6, born as a 2003 model and frankly, showing hair loss and plenty of wrinkles as it winds up its sixth year. In retrospect, it was hardly a contender, too undersized and roughly mannered to hold its place in the growing segment of family-size imported sedans as the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, and Nissan Altima Zoom-Zoomed in sales.
So, Mazda aimed higher with the new 6, way higher. If the buyers want size, and surveys show they do, the 2009 model leapfrogs Camry dimensions to land just a shade behind the bulked-up Accord, largest of the import group. North America now gets a unique body that is distinctly larger than Europe’s and Japan’s, up 6.9 inches in length, 2.3 in width from before.
If the customers want features, then the new 6 puts check marks in the right boxes there, too, with side airbags, side curtains, stability control, traction control, anti-lock brakes, and tire-pressure monitoring in all models.
Gone is the wagon, leaving only the four-door sedan. Suffix i models have a much-revised four of 2.5 liters and 170 horsepower, standard with a six-speed manual, though most will be optioned up to the five-speed automatic. Suffix s versions pack the 60-degree, 3.7-liter V-6 of 272 horsepower that was all-new last year in the slick CX-9 crossover, available only with a six-speed automatic.
Automatic i models cover 22 mpg city, 30 highway by EPA reckoning, 17 and 25 for the s, a bit behind the class leaders but within the envelope outlined by other cars.
As this mid-size class matures along with its customers—Mazda looks hopefully toward the 50-to-54-year-olds now—the machinery drifts inevitably toward practiced competence instead of passion, appliances for the road. The Camry has been there for years. The latest Accord comes close. The Altima, alone, still fits in sports clothes. Now comes a new Mazda 6 promising the most difficult of all straddles—refined manners and appointments overlaid on high-spirited reflexes.
After a few hours of driving early preproduction samples around southern California, we think mission accomplished. Steering is light and alive, yet it grooves in on straight ahead when the path calls for it. Slack has been zeroed out of brake-pedal motion. Ride is well controlled without being harsh, and noises, both road and wind, are dialed way back. Bottom line: The Mazda 6 was never like this. Think Mazda 7.
The interior details support that conclusion, starting with the excellent graining on dash and door panels, finished with a perfect satin sheen. The four-dial cluster is coved in the fashion of the CX-9’s, with similar red electroluminescent numerals and blue halos on the upper trim levels. Knee room is much improved for rear passengers.
With its flaring front fenders, fast windshield, and coupelike slope of the rear glass, the shape is stylish and fast. The passing air likes it, too, with a drag coefficient of 0.27. V-6 versions finish off with Lexus-like flared exhaust outlets on each rear corner; the fours get paired chrome pipes on one side. Steel 16-inch wheels are standard on low-level fours, moving up to 17-inch alloys at higher trim levels; uplevel V-6s wear 18s.
Because the majority of buyers choose four cylinders, we paid particular attention to them. The automatic version is a spunky performer in traffic, quick to downshift. The engine issues a power moan when you lay into it, the sound of enthusiasm for your next move. The six-speed manual is paired with smooth accelerator gain and a well-coordinated shifter; it’s fun if you think it is.
Late August is the showroom debut. Expect pricing aligned with the Accord menu, starting at about $19,000 for the entry-level four-cylinder, stepping up the rungs by trim levels to $28,500 for the V-6 Grand Touring s at the top.
Expect, also, a no-excuses Camry/Accord contender this time.
Specs:
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
BASE PRICE: $19,000–$28,500
ENGINES: DOHC 16-valve 2.5-liter inline-4, 170 hp, 167 lb-ft; DOHC 24-valve 3.7-liter V-6, 272 hp, 269 lb-ft
TRANSMISSIONS: 5- or 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting, 6-speed manual
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 109.8 in Length: 193.7 in Width: 72.4 in Height: 57.9 in
Curb weight: 3250–3550 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, V-6 6-SP MAN):
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing Ľ-mile: 14.7 sec
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (MFR’S EST):
EPA city driving: 17–22 mpg
EPA highway driving: 25–30 mpg
Supersize that? An undersized Mazda inches up to Accord parity.
BY PATRICK BEDARD
May 2008
Time to say bye-bye to the original Mazda 6, born as a 2003 model and frankly, showing hair loss and plenty of wrinkles as it winds up its sixth year. In retrospect, it was hardly a contender, too undersized and roughly mannered to hold its place in the growing segment of family-size imported sedans as the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, and Nissan Altima Zoom-Zoomed in sales.
So, Mazda aimed higher with the new 6, way higher. If the buyers want size, and surveys show they do, the 2009 model leapfrogs Camry dimensions to land just a shade behind the bulked-up Accord, largest of the import group. North America now gets a unique body that is distinctly larger than Europe’s and Japan’s, up 6.9 inches in length, 2.3 in width from before.
If the customers want features, then the new 6 puts check marks in the right boxes there, too, with side airbags, side curtains, stability control, traction control, anti-lock brakes, and tire-pressure monitoring in all models.
Gone is the wagon, leaving only the four-door sedan. Suffix i models have a much-revised four of 2.5 liters and 170 horsepower, standard with a six-speed manual, though most will be optioned up to the five-speed automatic. Suffix s versions pack the 60-degree, 3.7-liter V-6 of 272 horsepower that was all-new last year in the slick CX-9 crossover, available only with a six-speed automatic.
Automatic i models cover 22 mpg city, 30 highway by EPA reckoning, 17 and 25 for the s, a bit behind the class leaders but within the envelope outlined by other cars.
As this mid-size class matures along with its customers—Mazda looks hopefully toward the 50-to-54-year-olds now—the machinery drifts inevitably toward practiced competence instead of passion, appliances for the road. The Camry has been there for years. The latest Accord comes close. The Altima, alone, still fits in sports clothes. Now comes a new Mazda 6 promising the most difficult of all straddles—refined manners and appointments overlaid on high-spirited reflexes.
After a few hours of driving early preproduction samples around southern California, we think mission accomplished. Steering is light and alive, yet it grooves in on straight ahead when the path calls for it. Slack has been zeroed out of brake-pedal motion. Ride is well controlled without being harsh, and noises, both road and wind, are dialed way back. Bottom line: The Mazda 6 was never like this. Think Mazda 7.
The interior details support that conclusion, starting with the excellent graining on dash and door panels, finished with a perfect satin sheen. The four-dial cluster is coved in the fashion of the CX-9’s, with similar red electroluminescent numerals and blue halos on the upper trim levels. Knee room is much improved for rear passengers.
With its flaring front fenders, fast windshield, and coupelike slope of the rear glass, the shape is stylish and fast. The passing air likes it, too, with a drag coefficient of 0.27. V-6 versions finish off with Lexus-like flared exhaust outlets on each rear corner; the fours get paired chrome pipes on one side. Steel 16-inch wheels are standard on low-level fours, moving up to 17-inch alloys at higher trim levels; uplevel V-6s wear 18s.
Because the majority of buyers choose four cylinders, we paid particular attention to them. The automatic version is a spunky performer in traffic, quick to downshift. The engine issues a power moan when you lay into it, the sound of enthusiasm for your next move. The six-speed manual is paired with smooth accelerator gain and a well-coordinated shifter; it’s fun if you think it is.
Late August is the showroom debut. Expect pricing aligned with the Accord menu, starting at about $19,000 for the entry-level four-cylinder, stepping up the rungs by trim levels to $28,500 for the V-6 Grand Touring s at the top.
Expect, also, a no-excuses Camry/Accord contender this time.
Specs:
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
BASE PRICE: $19,000–$28,500
ENGINES: DOHC 16-valve 2.5-liter inline-4, 170 hp, 167 lb-ft; DOHC 24-valve 3.7-liter V-6, 272 hp, 269 lb-ft
TRANSMISSIONS: 5- or 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting, 6-speed manual
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 109.8 in Length: 193.7 in Width: 72.4 in Height: 57.9 in
Curb weight: 3250–3550 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, V-6 6-SP MAN):
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing Ľ-mile: 14.7 sec
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (MFR’S EST):
EPA city driving: 17–22 mpg
EPA highway driving: 25–30 mpg
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I still think if they try to compete with the Camry and Accord on their terms they will lose. People buy 'appliance' mid size sedans like those on reputation, something Mazda doesn't have. I would have liked the weight to be lower, and the size to have not grown as much as it did. The Euro car would have had a niche more to itself. The 3 series proves that not all people buy the biggest sedan, a whole lot like to buy the best.
Not that the nice reviews aren't welcome (Inside Line and Popular Mechanics have also been very kind). I just heavily suspect the rest of the world is getting the better car.
Not that the nice reviews aren't welcome (Inside Line and Popular Mechanics have also been very kind). I just heavily suspect the rest of the world is getting the better car.
Last edited by map; 05-23-2008 at 02:26 PM.
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this is NICE. way nicer than camrys or accords, and way prettier than the new maxima. i agree that they're inching it towards the mass-market driving appliance philosophy, but it's this kind of car that sells volumes. this should definitely be a successful product for mazda.
i kinda don't really agree with their opinion on the original mazda6; i think it was pretty well-received, even c&d's own 10 best when it first came out. and a fair # were sold, definitely way more successful than the old 626.
maybe it'd be fun if they named this mazda7 and still sold the jdm/euro mazda6 here as a slightly junior sporty model, kinda like acura tsx. i LOVE the new atenza 5-door. a shame we won't get that
i kinda don't really agree with their opinion on the original mazda6; i think it was pretty well-received, even c&d's own 10 best when it first came out. and a fair # were sold, definitely way more successful than the old 626.
maybe it'd be fun if they named this mazda7 and still sold the jdm/euro mazda6 here as a slightly junior sporty model, kinda like acura tsx. i LOVE the new atenza 5-door. a shame we won't get that
#7
I still think if they try to compete with the Camry and Accord on their terms they will lose. People buy 'appliance' mid size sedans like those on reputation, something Mazda doesn't have. I would have liked the weight to be lower, and the size to have not grown as much as it did. The Euro car would have had a niche more to itself. The 3 series proves that not all people buy the biggest sedan, a whole lot like to buy the best.
Too bad my Buick fell apart so soon
#8
motortrend first drive
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
True strength comes from knowing your own weaknesses. While that introspective insight can cause short-term pain, it really fine-tunes the focus when you need to fix what's broken. Our first encounter with the all-new 2009 Mazda6 made it clear that plenty of high-level corporate soul searching had been part of its comprehensive development brief. After soldiering on bravely since mid-2002 with a car that, by its own admission, lacked the size, power, and perceived quality of its prime competitors in the midsize arena, Mazda is set to launch a replacement with serious field-leveling potential. If production versions match the promise of the prototypes we drove, this engaging four-door could well move to the head of its class, in spirit if not in absolute sales numbers.
While the rest of the world got its Gen II Mazda6 family for 2008, our unique sedan-only incarnation had to wait a season. Styled, scaled and spec'd to please U.S. loyalists and attract new buyers from all corners of the "C/D-sedan" segment, the North American variant exceeds the world-car platform in every key dimension, shares barely 10 percent of its components, and has no common sheetmetal or glass. Four-cylinder (Mazda6i) and V-6 (Mazda6s) choices carry, but new powerplants add substantial punch. Most important, it embodies a level of overall sophistication its predecessor never managed to approach.
Bold new bodywork sets the stage for this Mazda's grand entrance, melding contour and edge into a far more compelling presence than the outgoing iteration. Its stylized grille is flanked by jewel-like projector-beam headlamps that flow into fenders with prominent RX-8/CX-9-style flares. Faster front/rear glass coupled with a 4.5-inch wheelbase stretch and 6.1 inches more length give it a sleeker profile, while expanded width and track dimensions impart a more aggressive stance. Beyond tighter body panel gaps, numerous aero cleanups have helped trim the 2009's drag coefficient by 10 percent.
Beneath that high-profile sheetmetal is a far stronger unit body that boasts nearly four times as much high-strength steel, adds 17 percent more torsional rigidity, and ups bending stiffness by 39 percent. A redesigned control-arm front/multilink rear suspension package matches new components with revamped geometry and mounts everything to beefier but far better-isolated subframes. The power steering and ABS brake systems also were tweaked to improve feel and response.
Inside, a more upscale look is complemented by a segment-critical six-percent increase in total cabin volume. A "cockpit" motif carries over up front, but there's a more inviting balance of textured plastic to soft-touch surfaces, tastefully accented by bright and matte metallic trim. The dash and center stack show a clear Mazda imprint, with conventional analog gauges replaced by electroluminescent units in the two top trim grades. Well-formed front buckets get softer cushions, but the Mazda6's expanded aft quarters are the real revelation here. Stretching the wheelbase and repositioning the hip point of its 60/40-split folding rear seat yield head and legroom that permits two full-size-adults-or three in a pinch-to travel in real comfort. Cargo capacity also steps up by 10 percent, to a class-leading 16.6 cubic feet.
While the rest of the world got its Gen II Mazda6 family for 2008, our unique sedan-only incarnation had to wait a season. Styled, scaled and spec'd to please U.S. loyalists and attract new buyers from all corners of the "C/D-sedan" segment, the North American variant exceeds the world-car platform in every key dimension, shares barely 10 percent of its components, and has no common sheetmetal or glass. Four-cylinder (Mazda6i) and V-6 (Mazda6s) choices carry, but new powerplants add substantial punch. Most important, it embodies a level of overall sophistication its predecessor never managed to approach.
Bold new bodywork sets the stage for this Mazda's grand entrance, melding contour and edge into a far more compelling presence than the outgoing iteration. Its stylized grille is flanked by jewel-like projector-beam headlamps that flow into fenders with prominent RX-8/CX-9-style flares. Faster front/rear glass coupled with a 4.5-inch wheelbase stretch and 6.1 inches more length give it a sleeker profile, while expanded width and track dimensions impart a more aggressive stance. Beyond tighter body panel gaps, numerous aero cleanups have helped trim the 2009's drag coefficient by 10 percent.
Beneath that high-profile sheetmetal is a far stronger unit body that boasts nearly four times as much high-strength steel, adds 17 percent more torsional rigidity, and ups bending stiffness by 39 percent. A redesigned control-arm front/multilink rear suspension package matches new components with revamped geometry and mounts everything to beefier but far better-isolated subframes. The power steering and ABS brake systems also were tweaked to improve feel and response.
Inside, a more upscale look is complemented by a segment-critical six-percent increase in total cabin volume. A "cockpit" motif carries over up front, but there's a more inviting balance of textured plastic to soft-touch surfaces, tastefully accented by bright and matte metallic trim. The dash and center stack show a clear Mazda imprint, with conventional analog gauges replaced by electroluminescent units in the two top trim grades. Well-formed front buckets get softer cushions, but the Mazda6's expanded aft quarters are the real revelation here. Stretching the wheelbase and repositioning the hip point of its 60/40-split folding rear seat yield head and legroom that permits two full-size-adults-or three in a pinch-to travel in real comfort. Cargo capacity also steps up by 10 percent, to a class-leading 16.6 cubic feet.
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Anchoring the model hierarchy is the four-cylinder-only Mazda6i SV that includes standards like power windows/lock/mirrors, air conditioning, tilt/telescoping steering column with multifunction steering wheel, and AM/FM/CD/MP3 audio. Sport versions add items like cruise control and keyless remote; Tourings bring a power driver's seat, trip computer, and pushbutton start, while Grand Tourings get full leather trim, dual-zone A/C, and dual power/heated buckets as well as Xenon headlamps and LED taillamps. Options are limited, but include a navigation system and a Bose audio/moonroof group for the two top trim levels and a Convenience Package that adds GT-like upgrades to the Touring.
Where displacement and output relegated the Gen I Mazda6 to class-lagger status, the 2009 iteration kicks its zoom-zoom index into overdrive with a pair of bigger, more potent motivators. Mazda6i variants use a new 2.5-liter DOHC four spawned from Mazda's existing 2.3-liter MRZ engine family. Equally smooth and free-revving, this comprehensive redesign shares little beyond block architecture with the 2.3, but it does bump pony count from 156 to 170 and increases peak torque from 154 to 167 pound-feet (slightly less in PZEV emissions trim). It's also more fuel efficient, whether matched with the six-speed manual transmission or optional five-speed automatic with SportShift. Mazda6s models are fitted with a 3.7-liter twin-cam V-6 shared with the CX-9. Its 272 horses and 269 pound-feet of torque dwarf the 212/197 output stats of the old 3.0-liter. Backing this bigger six is a SportShifted six-speed automatic transmission fitted with Active Adaptive Shift control from the RX-8 that automatically selects the optimum gear for making quick corner exits.
Our seat time was confined to freeway cruising and modestly aggressive flogging in four-cylinder Touring and V-6 Grand Touring models, but the takeaway was clear: Smoothness and quietness-as well as basic vehicle dynamics-have been elevated to an entirely different plane. Power to weight is improved with both engines, although the relative difference is far greater in the V-6 and should drop 0-to-60 mph times for "s" models into the sixes. While lacking that level of straight-line enthusiasm, the new four is impressive in its own right, even matched with the autoshifter. As in the past, that combo should dominate the Mazda6 mix, in either Sport or Touring guise.
Where displacement and output relegated the Gen I Mazda6 to class-lagger status, the 2009 iteration kicks its zoom-zoom index into overdrive with a pair of bigger, more potent motivators. Mazda6i variants use a new 2.5-liter DOHC four spawned from Mazda's existing 2.3-liter MRZ engine family. Equally smooth and free-revving, this comprehensive redesign shares little beyond block architecture with the 2.3, but it does bump pony count from 156 to 170 and increases peak torque from 154 to 167 pound-feet (slightly less in PZEV emissions trim). It's also more fuel efficient, whether matched with the six-speed manual transmission or optional five-speed automatic with SportShift. Mazda6s models are fitted with a 3.7-liter twin-cam V-6 shared with the CX-9. Its 272 horses and 269 pound-feet of torque dwarf the 212/197 output stats of the old 3.0-liter. Backing this bigger six is a SportShifted six-speed automatic transmission fitted with Active Adaptive Shift control from the RX-8 that automatically selects the optimum gear for making quick corner exits.
Our seat time was confined to freeway cruising and modestly aggressive flogging in four-cylinder Touring and V-6 Grand Touring models, but the takeaway was clear: Smoothness and quietness-as well as basic vehicle dynamics-have been elevated to an entirely different plane. Power to weight is improved with both engines, although the relative difference is far greater in the V-6 and should drop 0-to-60 mph times for "s" models into the sixes. While lacking that level of straight-line enthusiasm, the new four is impressive in its own right, even matched with the autoshifter. As in the past, that combo should dominate the Mazda6 mix, in either Sport or Touring guise.
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Suspension tuning and wheel/tire fitment vary with engine/trim spec, but the new chassis setups and standard stability/traction control helps keep the Mazda6's bespoke Michelin M+S rubber more confidently planted across the lineup. With its noticeably tauter character and standard 235/45WR18 tires, the V-6 Grand Touring trades a bit of compliance for better grip and less body roll than the Mazda6s Touring shod with its 215/55VR17 alternatives. However, enhancements to the steering and brake systems put an enthusiast-grade edge on both, while a 3.2-foot reduction in turning circle makes it easier to negotiate twisty two-lanes as well as crowded parking lots.
With pricing starting in the $20,000-$29,000 range, Mazda marketing types feel confident the new Mazda6 will appeal to a broader and even more upscale buyer base when sales begin in August. A key part of their goal to push North American volumes into the six-figure zone involves winning converts from the ranks of Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, and Chevy Malibu owners. While success in that undertaking won't be easy, we suspect Mazda's reincarnated road warrior will more than hold its own in any future head-to-head confrontations.
With pricing starting in the $20,000-$29,000 range, Mazda marketing types feel confident the new Mazda6 will appeal to a broader and even more upscale buyer base when sales begin in August. A key part of their goal to push North American volumes into the six-figure zone involves winning converts from the ranks of Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, and Chevy Malibu owners. While success in that undertaking won't be easy, we suspect Mazda's reincarnated road warrior will more than hold its own in any future head-to-head confrontations.
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It looks really good, inside and out. But the big question is quality. The USA built Gen1 Mazda6 sucked. These new Gen2 Mazda6s will all be built in USA.
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#14
Was the old US made Mazda 6 really that bad?
Bedard says " it was too undersized and roughly mannered"??
Why do journalists write so much crap.
The Mazda 6 was one of the most successful models Mazda has produced world wide as a volume seller, and still one of the best looking sedan/wagon/hatch combinations around. Yes the new 6 is really good ,so was the old.
Bedard says " it was too undersized and roughly mannered"??
Why do journalists write so much crap.
The Mazda 6 was one of the most successful models Mazda has produced world wide as a volume seller, and still one of the best looking sedan/wagon/hatch combinations around. Yes the new 6 is really good ,so was the old.
#15
Yeah, they are judging the old 6 against the most recent entrants in the segment. Obviously the thing is a little long in the tooth today, but it was very competitive when it came out.
I really want to see the head on view. The head on spy photos looked really bad, and I haven't seen any marketing shots head on yet.
I really want to see the head on view. The head on spy photos looked really bad, and I haven't seen any marketing shots head on yet.
#17
Here the old 6 are really popular, I still look at them as a great looking car...even fresh.
The new 6 (Japan model ) as I said is good to look at, but IMO not better. I don't particularly like the sedans square looking back end as it mixes up the styling lines and looks heavy.
It's almost as if it belongs on another model...if that makes sense.
The Hatchback with its fast back window is definitely the better looker and the wagon is also a fine looking motor..
I think you guys will in a year also get the hatch and wagon versions.
The new 6 (Japan model ) as I said is good to look at, but IMO not better. I don't particularly like the sedans square looking back end as it mixes up the styling lines and looks heavy.
It's almost as if it belongs on another model...if that makes sense.
The Hatchback with its fast back window is definitely the better looker and the wagon is also a fine looking motor..
I think you guys will in a year also get the hatch and wagon versions.
#19
Hopefully the success of the Mazda3 will rub off on the Mazda6. That class leader was able to snag Honda and Toyota buyers and continues to do so.
It looks to be a winner. I hope the comparison tests will prove that.
It looks to be a winner. I hope the comparison tests will prove that.
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#21
That actually looks pretty nice. Also, Mazda nailed the interior. Kudos.
Camcords and everything else seem even more boring and mundane now.
It's pretty amazing how consistent Mazda is in instilling sport in its entire product line.
I think the new 6 is going to be a big seller. A Camry by comparison is positively, mind numbingly boring.
Camcords and everything else seem even more boring and mundane now.
It's pretty amazing how consistent Mazda is in instilling sport in its entire product line.
I think the new 6 is going to be a big seller. A Camry by comparison is positively, mind numbingly boring.
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#24
MKI mazda6 as a hit in Canada when it came out. IIRC it even won the AJAC award. Interestingly Mazda sells better in Canada than US too per capita wise. I think it has to do with the fact that Mazda always believe in handling, superior packaging vs. high hp and size. The mazda3 nearly knocked down the Civic in terms of sale if it weren't for the production backlog back in 06/07.
Anyhow this new 6 is nice but not as ground breaking as the mkI were when it debuted. It is quite generic looking. It lost its distinctive flair.
The fastback and wagon format is much more beautiful than the sedan with the MKI and still is with MKII. It is sad that we are not getting either of those two.
Anyhow this new 6 is nice but not as ground breaking as the mkI were when it debuted. It is quite generic looking. It lost its distinctive flair.
The fastback and wagon format is much more beautiful than the sedan with the MKI and still is with MKII. It is sad that we are not getting either of those two.
#25
That is a very sharp looking car. This segment in general is getting much slicker. Maybe I'm getting old, but even the newer Camry, and especially the new Accords look very appealing.