2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
03-09-2009, 05:51 PM
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They were co-developed under GEMA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...uring_Alliance.
Although unverified, I have heard hearsay that Hyundai did majority of the core development work on the GEMA engine. So perhaps, EVO's are running Hyundai designs?
Each engine variant spec is tailored per OEM.
03-09-2009, 06:07 PM
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In the past, Hyundai did source engines from Mitsubishi, but the Theta engine design is not entirely Mitsubishi's. It was a joint development by Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi.
They were co-developed under GEMA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...uring_Alliance.
Although unverified, I have heard hearsay that Hyundai did majority of the core development work on the GEMA engine. So perhaps, EVO's are running Hyundai designs?
Each engine variant spec is tailored per OEM.
They were co-developed under GEMA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...uring_Alliance.
Although unverified, I have heard hearsay that Hyundai did majority of the core development work on the GEMA engine. So perhaps, EVO's are running Hyundai designs?
Each engine variant spec is tailored per OEM.
03-09-2009, 08:03 PM
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Well, TTAC has reviewed the 3.8 Grand Touring.
03-09-2009, 08:14 PM
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Man... I apologize... I dont really mean to bitch that bad... Its just that... well I AM competitive... I do want to track race... and I do Own an 8 honestly if I could take back getting it... I wouldn't I love it to death. But the point I'm making here is that The 8 DESERVES those options! It does! The reason for my previous rant is just being upset that mazda can't give this car which COULD BE legendary (like its predecessors) something more than just good looks and handling...
I may have over exaggerated my money spent...
(I'll be honest here)
Cat delete, custom rear exhaust set-up around- 500$ all said and done...
RB Header-500 and a 200$ install 700 said and done...
and an agency power pulley - 160 install free...
sooo... lets see
$1360 (Wow thats a hell of an exaggeration my bad)
Bout the same as my tax refund check...
Yes and I know praying for 200 with those mods alone is stupid.... but optemysm is something i've grown used to in previous cars... (another point in my rant)
point made... apology made. hopefully it wont kill me in everyones opinions.
I may have over exaggerated my money spent...
(I'll be honest here)
Cat delete, custom rear exhaust set-up around- 500$ all said and done...
RB Header-500 and a 200$ install 700 said and done...
and an agency power pulley - 160 install free...
sooo... lets see
$1360 (Wow thats a hell of an exaggeration my bad)
Bout the same as my tax refund check...
Yes and I know praying for 200 with those mods alone is stupid.... but optemysm is something i've grown used to in previous cars... (another point in my rant)
point made... apology made. hopefully it wont kill me in everyones opinions.
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03-10-2009, 12:57 AM
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Dyno overlay for 09 G37 and Genesis 3.8L ... Genesis is tested with regular fuel (as always):
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=76685
I would not be surprised to see it picking up 8-10 more hp with premium.
It seems that Genesis will feel much more powerful in day to day driving due to big torque difference.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../photoId=76685
I would not be surprised to see it picking up 8-10 more hp with premium.
It seems that Genesis will feel much more powerful in day to day driving due to big torque difference.
03-10-2009, 12:58 AM
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http://www.gemaengine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemi d=65
03-10-2009, 09:18 AM
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Man... I apologize... I dont really mean to bitch that bad... Its just that... well I AM competitive... I do want to track race... and I do Own an 8 honestly if I could take back getting it... I wouldn't I love it to death. But the point I'm making here is that The 8 DESERVES those options! It does! The reason for my previous rant is just being upset that mazda can't give this car which COULD BE legendary (like its predecessors) something more than just good looks and handling...
Now if you want to drag race, I am sure that the Hyundia would be a great car for you, but if you want to track and road race, then how in the world can you even consider a car you have not driven and are just looking at the 0-60 and other numbers. The fact that the Hyundia coupe is butt ugly, and has a cheap *** interior, poor weight distribution, and a mediocre at best suspension should also be important parts that are considered.
There is a lot more to a car than just the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times... If those numbers are the most important thing to you, then you should be looking at a Challenger or one of the other "new" muscle cars.
03-10-2009, 09:26 AM
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Man... I apologize... I dont really mean to bitch that bad... Its just that... well I AM competitive... I do want to track race... and I do Own an 8 honestly if I could take back getting it... I wouldn't I love it to death. But the point I'm making here is that The 8 DESERVES those options! It does! The reason for my previous rant is just being upset that mazda can't give this car which COULD BE legendary (like its predecessors) something more than just good looks and handling...
I may have over exaggerated my money spent...
(I'll be honest here)
Cat delete, custom rear exhaust set-up around- 500$ all said and done...
RB Header-500 and a 200$ install 700 said and done...
and an agency power pulley - 160 install free...
sooo... lets see
$1360 (Wow thats a hell of an exaggeration my bad)
Bout the same as my tax refund check...
Yes and I know praying for 200 with those mods alone is stupid.... but optemysm is something i've grown used to in previous cars... (another point in my rant)
point made... apology made. hopefully it wont kill me in everyones opinions.
I may have over exaggerated my money spent...
(I'll be honest here)
Cat delete, custom rear exhaust set-up around- 500$ all said and done...
RB Header-500 and a 200$ install 700 said and done...
and an agency power pulley - 160 install free...
sooo... lets see
$1360 (Wow thats a hell of an exaggeration my bad)
Bout the same as my tax refund check...
Yes and I know praying for 200 with those mods alone is stupid.... but optemysm is something i've grown used to in previous cars... (another point in my rant)
point made... apology made. hopefully it wont kill me in everyones opinions.
personally i feel rx8 is just a car they put out, just to put out. i feel they put out the renesis to see where the faults are etc, so with the 16x all the problems with the first gen renei are fixed or at least improved. but these are just my opinons. just like the past rx7 13b.
03-10-2009, 09:30 AM
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See if you really wanted to track race, then it is a no brainer.
Now if you want to drag race, I am sure that the Hyundia would be a great car for you, but if you want to track and road race, then how in the world can you even consider a car you have not driven and are just looking at the 0-60 and other numbers. The fact that the Hyundia coupe is butt ugly, and has a cheap *** interior, poor weight distribution, and a mediocre at best suspension should also be important parts that are considered.
There is a lot more to a car than just the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times... If those numbers are the most important thing to you, then you should be looking at a Challenger or one of the other "new" muscle cars.
Now if you want to drag race, I am sure that the Hyundia would be a great car for you, but if you want to track and road race, then how in the world can you even consider a car you have not driven and are just looking at the 0-60 and other numbers. The fact that the Hyundia coupe is butt ugly, and has a cheap *** interior, poor weight distribution, and a mediocre at best suspension should also be important parts that are considered.
There is a lot more to a car than just the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times... If those numbers are the most important thing to you, then you should be looking at a Challenger or one of the other "new" muscle cars.
I think we should all get along and wait for the inevitable Coupe Comparision that will hopefully include the RX-8 R3 and the Genesis among otheres... that anyone of several mags should be preparing as we speak
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03-10-2009, 09:44 AM
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As an example of how reality defies perception....I thought...gee the new 370Z is eveything a sports car should be for going to the track....I mean it has 300+ HP, pretty light, sticks like glue, spifed up interior...reasonable price...what could go wrong with that formula?
So I've spent quality time on their forum and found just some of the problems early adopters are saddled with right off the showroom floor and just as soon as they get to track....
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
So I look at my 6 yr old RX-8 and say WOW! This thing worked as a track car right out of the chute ... from day one! It worked good stock, brakes great, engine smooth, suspension responsive and forgiving if a bit flacid, and the balance was fine.
All I'm trying to say is that something that doesn't appear to be the best on the face of it, can end up being something workable on track for a variety of reasons ... and as above - in some cases exactly the opposite is true.
So I've spent quality time on their forum and found just some of the problems early adopters are saddled with right off the showroom floor and just as soon as they get to track....
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
So I look at my 6 yr old RX-8 and say WOW! This thing worked as a track car right out of the chute ... from day one! It worked good stock, brakes great, engine smooth, suspension responsive and forgiving if a bit flacid, and the balance was fine.
All I'm trying to say is that something that doesn't appear to be the best on the face of it, can end up being something workable on track for a variety of reasons ... and as above - in some cases exactly the opposite is true.
03-10-2009, 10:08 AM
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03-10-2009, 10:39 AM
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So I've spent quality time on their forum and found just some of the problems early adopters are saddled with right off the showroom floor and just as soon as they get to track....
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
03-10-2009, 11:20 AM
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As an example of how reality defies perception....I thought...gee the new 370Z is eveything a sports car should be for going to the track....I mean it has 300+ HP, pretty light, sticks like glue, spifed up interior...reasonable price...what could go wrong with that formula?
So I've spent quality time on their forum and found just some of the problems early adopters are saddled with right off the showroom floor and just as soon as they get to track....
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
So I look at my 6 yr old RX-8 and say WOW! This thing worked as a track car right out of the chute ... from day one! It worked good stock, brakes great, engine smooth, suspension responsive and forgiving if a bit flacid, and the balance was fine.
All I'm trying to say is that something that doesn't appear to be the best on the face of it, can end up being something workable on track for a variety of reasons ... and as above - in some cases exactly the opposite is true.
So I've spent quality time on their forum and found just some of the problems early adopters are saddled with right off the showroom floor and just as soon as they get to track....
1) engine oil overheats w/limp mode by the ECU within 10 min on track (game over)
2) engine sound like it'as about to thrash itself apart at higher revs..no answer for that?
3) LSD employed does not seem to work consistantly and correctly for track use ... opps
4) some signs of instability at speed and under braking.. suspension?
So I look at my 6 yr old RX-8 and say WOW! This thing worked as a track car right out of the chute ... from day one! It worked good stock, brakes great, engine smooth, suspension responsive and forgiving if a bit flacid, and the balance was fine.
All I'm trying to say is that something that doesn't appear to be the best on the face of it, can end up being something workable on track for a variety of reasons ... and as above - in some cases exactly the opposite is true.
At the same time you cannot group all 370's into the realm that they all have those 4 problems. Doing so is the same as those owners grouping all rx8's in having engine failures.
03-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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As an example of how reality defies perception....I thought...gee the new 370Z is eveything a sports car should be for going to the track....I mean it has 300+ HP, pretty light, sticks like glue, spifed up interior...reasonable price...what could go wrong with that formula?
A large majority of the folks do not know how good the rx-8 as a sports car both on the track and road. Their opinions are largely based on paper racing and a large spoonful of ignorance. Hence we always see a large amount of blog posters disagreeing with the paid autoscribes about their assessment of the rx-8 sporting prowess.
03-10-2009, 01:03 PM
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Agreed. Every car has their issues....it's always the negative comments that get yelled the loudest, thus noticed first.
03-10-2009, 08:04 PM
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tell it to those fellas at miata.net and s2ki.com. Despite shedding 200lbs, it is still too heavy to them members there. heh! I bet to a A8 or 750iL the Z must be featherweight.
A large majority of the folks do not know how good the rx-8 as a sports car both on the track and road. Their opinions are largely based on paper racing and a large spoonful of ignorance. Hence we always see a large amount of blog posters disagreeing with the paid autoscribes about their assessment of the rx-8 sporting prowess.
A large majority of the folks do not know how good the rx-8 as a sports car both on the track and road. Their opinions are largely based on paper racing and a large spoonful of ignorance. Hence we always see a large amount of blog posters disagreeing with the paid autoscribes about their assessment of the rx-8 sporting prowess.
03-10-2009, 08:10 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I fully believe the 370Z to be an extremely competent street car...it's just lost cred in my mind... at least as a read-to-go track car. Many could care less to drive at full tilt ...ever...and the car as is is suitable for that.
03-11-2009, 12:23 AM
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Get GT-R if you wanted a Nissan for the track.
03-12-2009, 09:31 AM
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Comparison: G37 vs Genesis Coupe by Lexus forum member
I found this on clublexus.com and thought in interesting....
Originally Posted by mmarshall
]2010 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 TRACK vs. 2009 INFINITI G37 JOURNEY COUPE.
EXTERIOR:
I'd rate it about a tie. Both cars, IMO, are handsome, have reasonably solid sheet metal, solid-closing doors, nice paint jobs, and (generally) nice trim/hardware. Neither one is outlandish in the style department. The Hyundai, though, loses a couple of points for its tacky, plastic, rear spoiler, and the G37 loses a few points for its cheaply-done mirrors. Still about a tie.
UNDERHOOD:
No contest. The Genesis coupe, with its uncovered V6 engine, room to work on things, uncovered battery/hardware, and easily acccessable dipsticks/reservoirs, simply blows the G37 out of the water. True, the Genesis hood lacks an insulation pad, and has only one wobbly gas strut to the G37's two, but everything else under the G37's hood is a disgrace.
INTERIOR:
The G37 clearly wins here. The Genesis Coupe, as I pointed out in its review, lacks the interior ambience and quality materials of the Genesis sedan. While the silver-painted plastic and chrome in the Genesis Coupe is nicely-done, it can't compare with the G37's real aluminum and wood. The G37's control layouts, especially in the door panels, are far superior to the Genesis coupe. The leather used on the G37's seats is definitely nicer-feeling than on the Genesis Coupe. The G37's interior does lose a couple of points for tight headroom, a useless back seat, and narrow-bolstered seats......all worse than in the Genesis, but not enough to make a difference. The G37 wins inside.
CARGO AREA/ TRUNK.
The Genesis wins here, despite the fact that its trunk-lid hinges are not as well-designed as those in the G37, and it lacks the G37's first-aid kit. Both have nice carpeting on the floor and walls. Both have fold-down rear seats for added space. Both have a cheap temporary spare instead of a real one. But the Genesis has noticeably more cargo room, and the available room is taller, so more-upright bags and packages can be carried. The Genesis also has a handy remote-lever in the trunk for dropping the rear seats, while the G37 seems to lack that feature (maybe I just couldn't find it). The Genesis does have a slightly smaller trunk opening due to the rake-back of its roof, but not enough to make that big a difference. The Genesis wins here.
ON THE ROAD:
The Genesis narrowly wins, although keep in mind that this was the top-of-the line 3.8 Track model, which was clearly the most performance-oriented of the coupe line (Lesser Coupe models may not have the same spunk on the road).
The Genesis had noticeably better low-RPM torque, quicker-reacting manual-shifts, slightly flatter cornering, more feel, BMW-like, in the steering, slightly quicker steering response, and, overall, a more sporting feel. Both had excellent brakes....the Genesis's superlative Brembos winning by a nose. The G37 had slightly better noise control (except for the loud exhaust), with good wind/road noise dampening. The Genesis did lose some points for a poorly-designed brake pedal and a slightly stiffer ride, but, again, not enough to make a difference. The Genesis wins, again, here.
VERDICT:
If you want a classy interior, slightly less roadability/power, and more refinement, go with the G37. Otherwise, the Genesis is your choice. It wins, IMO, in all of the categories except interior design/ambience/materials. That Hyundai has managed to do this for a price that is some 10K less than the tested G37 Journey, IMO, makes the Genesis 3.8 Track coupe all that more remarkable.
G37 Review
Review: 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe (and Hyundai Genesis Coupe comparison) - Club Lexus Forums
Genesis Coupe Review
Review: Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track - Club Lexus Forums
]2010 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 TRACK vs. 2009 INFINITI G37 JOURNEY COUPE.
EXTERIOR:
I'd rate it about a tie. Both cars, IMO, are handsome, have reasonably solid sheet metal, solid-closing doors, nice paint jobs, and (generally) nice trim/hardware. Neither one is outlandish in the style department. The Hyundai, though, loses a couple of points for its tacky, plastic, rear spoiler, and the G37 loses a few points for its cheaply-done mirrors. Still about a tie.
UNDERHOOD:
No contest. The Genesis coupe, with its uncovered V6 engine, room to work on things, uncovered battery/hardware, and easily acccessable dipsticks/reservoirs, simply blows the G37 out of the water. True, the Genesis hood lacks an insulation pad, and has only one wobbly gas strut to the G37's two, but everything else under the G37's hood is a disgrace.
INTERIOR:
The G37 clearly wins here. The Genesis Coupe, as I pointed out in its review, lacks the interior ambience and quality materials of the Genesis sedan. While the silver-painted plastic and chrome in the Genesis Coupe is nicely-done, it can't compare with the G37's real aluminum and wood. The G37's control layouts, especially in the door panels, are far superior to the Genesis coupe. The leather used on the G37's seats is definitely nicer-feeling than on the Genesis Coupe. The G37's interior does lose a couple of points for tight headroom, a useless back seat, and narrow-bolstered seats......all worse than in the Genesis, but not enough to make a difference. The G37 wins inside.
CARGO AREA/ TRUNK.
The Genesis wins here, despite the fact that its trunk-lid hinges are not as well-designed as those in the G37, and it lacks the G37's first-aid kit. Both have nice carpeting on the floor and walls. Both have fold-down rear seats for added space. Both have a cheap temporary spare instead of a real one. But the Genesis has noticeably more cargo room, and the available room is taller, so more-upright bags and packages can be carried. The Genesis also has a handy remote-lever in the trunk for dropping the rear seats, while the G37 seems to lack that feature (maybe I just couldn't find it). The Genesis does have a slightly smaller trunk opening due to the rake-back of its roof, but not enough to make that big a difference. The Genesis wins here.
ON THE ROAD:
The Genesis narrowly wins, although keep in mind that this was the top-of-the line 3.8 Track model, which was clearly the most performance-oriented of the coupe line (Lesser Coupe models may not have the same spunk on the road).
The Genesis had noticeably better low-RPM torque, quicker-reacting manual-shifts, slightly flatter cornering, more feel, BMW-like, in the steering, slightly quicker steering response, and, overall, a more sporting feel. Both had excellent brakes....the Genesis's superlative Brembos winning by a nose. The G37 had slightly better noise control (except for the loud exhaust), with good wind/road noise dampening. The Genesis did lose some points for a poorly-designed brake pedal and a slightly stiffer ride, but, again, not enough to make a difference. The Genesis wins, again, here.
VERDICT:
If you want a classy interior, slightly less roadability/power, and more refinement, go with the G37. Otherwise, the Genesis is your choice. It wins, IMO, in all of the categories except interior design/ambience/materials. That Hyundai has managed to do this for a price that is some 10K less than the tested G37 Journey, IMO, makes the Genesis 3.8 Track coupe all that more remarkable.
G37 Review
Review: 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe (and Hyundai Genesis Coupe comparison) - Club Lexus Forums
Genesis Coupe Review
Review: Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track - Club Lexus Forums
03-13-2009, 07:57 AM
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new performance numbers by InsideLine after fixes by Hyundai
0-60 5.7 sec w/1ft rollout / 1/4mile 14.1 @ 99.3
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...ck-retest.html
0-60 5.7 sec w/1ft rollout / 1/4mile 14.1 @ 99.3
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...ck-retest.html
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03-13-2009, 04:19 PM
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new performance numbers by InsideLine after fixes by Hyundai
0-60 5.7 sec w/1ft rollout / 1/4mile 14.1 @ 99.3
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...ck-retest.html
0-60 5.7 sec w/1ft rollout / 1/4mile 14.1 @ 99.3
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...ck-retest.html
It must be the gearing that is holding it back. I was expecting lower times. Hmm...
I did hear that Hyundai will be increasing the power for the refresh model.
