Feras

iTrader: (1)

went on a midnight run to show ya it does go to 7k lol after my long day at work i needed a little driving excitement

playdoh43

nice more pics!

eforer

I never even attempted to launch mine. I heard enough horror stories, and my mitsu dealer sucked for warranty work if god forbid something did go wrong. After test driving the sti again, I really wish I had gone that way, a little less harsh for day to day on new england roads. Also define driving them right, launching a production car isn't wizardry, and its relatively hard on any car.

Ike

Launch so you get a little wheel spin and you're relatively safe. No, it's not good for them, but that goes for launching any car. I launched my DSM daily, sometimes several times a day and in 100K+ miles all I replaced was the clutch with over 90k. The people complaining about the transfer case on the Evo and the tranny in the WRX don't know how to drive them right in most cases. Also, owning a car like an Evo and never launching it is like dating a hot chick and never having sex with her.

VikingDJ

True on that last statement. The STI must just be a different story then the WRX. I launched the **** out of that car for 28k miles. You don't even wanna know what I did to it on the way to pick up my Speed 6. LOL I remember being reluctant when I got it, but that car gave me confidence the more I did it and how I learned to do it. I started out with mild launches, then worked my way up.

Yes, any kind of hard launching is abuse no matter how good you are at it, and you are always taking the chance of breaking something, but you can't own a car like this and never at least do it a couple times. Defeats the purpose, but people do buy these cars for their power and year round function, and you don't have to launch to go fast, so I suppose I'll let it slide. The EVO though just isn't the right choice if you are looking for a fast daily driver, to use just as much for commuting as you are fun. STI is clearly the better choice if for no other reason then the lower boost and bigger displacement. It's just easier to live with.

eforer

I never did launch it lol, but I'll take your word for it on surviving. I don't really launch anything ever for the most part. I had a friend who used to take his evo to E-Town alot and he blew through 2 transfer cases, granted he was a hammer with that car though. He replaced it with a z, go figure. As far as the hot chick analogy, well I would say the virtues of the evo go beyond its straight line ability.

Broker73

lol...IKE I knew you come out defending your STI!...lol....and you still quote yourself about how you've seen STI's run 12's stock...I haven't seen one mag time yet showing anyting close (04's-07's)......froma dead stop the STI may get the jump, but judging by the 0-100 times the 335 have the advantage...look at the numbers...there is anywhere from .9sec-1.1secs difference depending what mag you read....what if I told you I've seen a 335 run low 13's without any trouble?...you'd probably throw it right back at me and provide links to some mad times. etc. etc.

I know the 08's are potentially getting a power boost, but I believe the 04-07's run 13.5's in the 1/4?

anyway, I think it would be a good match, but from a roll in normal driving (not launching from a stop), the 335 might have the egde.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ecs-page2.html

now aren't those times the same as the STI, with the 335 trapping higher...

eforer

The sti would still demolish the 335 on a road course, but day to day the BMW has got to be an awesome car.

Broker73

just for a fair comparison...

a little blurb from C&D times on STI 0-60 and 1/4 times

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ecs-page2.html

looks pretty close to me, and as speeds increase the 335 has the edge. I don't agree with you IKE that on the streets from a roll (lets say 50kph), the STI would have the upper hand...in fact I think that is reversed based on all the info that I have read?..but like I said, very close.

and I agree, the STI would be better on a road course...the 335 isn't that kind of beast, although i was impressed with the handling when I took more than a few spirited runs in the auto and Manual

Broker73

opps wrong link...lol.....

STI times


http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...i-limited.html

eforer

I'm sure it still handles well, but you got to give up something to provide the kind of comfort and quiet you find in that car. A few years ago I would say that I would rather have the raw performance, now I think I'd rather have a little more refinement for everyday.

CarAndDriver

I'd take the 335i as a daily driver. The comfort and conveniences of the 335i are much greater than the STI.

Ike

Are you retarded? Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer... I said the 335 would have the advantage on the highway, meaning from a roll. I also said the STI would have the advantage from a DIG, meaning from a stop at the strip and on the streets. If you look at MT in Dec. '05 they ran a 13.0 in an STI, and yes, a few owners have run 12.9s in STI's. A few others mags have run low 13s as well. Lastly, I don't know why you're calling it my STI, I don't own and STI and never have...

Ike

The tranny in the STI is stronger than the WRX, but my point was that the WRX tranny and Evo transfer case isn't as fragile as some people make them out to be.

I obviously disagree with your Evo comments, my Evo is my daily ride and I put on 250-400 miles a week in it. Sure, the STI is going to be better for most people as a daily ride. But, the Evo steering puts the STI steering to shame and it's a much more communicative car. The Evo also feels much lighter and more nimble than the STI, and I just love the modability of the 4G63. Those things make it more fun for me so I can live with the stiffer ride and fewer creature comforts. But yes, the Evo is not for the faint of heart.

eforer

Agree with all your points about the plusses of the evo versus the sti. I must be faint of heart because after 2 years I really wanted something a little mellower for the street. The sti might have been a better fit. The steering in the evo though was second to none.

I had toyed with the idea of putting tein coil overs in with the in car damper adjustment to soften it up for day to day use while still being able to put it in an agressive mode at the flick of the switch.

In terms of raw performance for the money, the car is unbeatable.

mike0615

u can get good launch on WRX, the trick is just ride the clutch. the tranny is kinda weak so as long as u don't get sudden grip u shouldn't break anything. especially since its AWD, when it grips, it freakin grips. ur gonna wear through ur clutch faster yeah, but i think replacing clutch is cheaper then tranny. u can still get fast times that way too if u launch correctly. it just takes a little more skill and patience. ppl break em cuz they too rough on it.

eforer

It was an evo firstly, and a clutch for that car was not cheap and obviously not warrantied. Launching a car by feathering the clutch is a death sentence for the clutch if done with any frequency. I guess if your cool shelling out the cash then by all means.

This whole thing is getting redundant. The evo is a great car, the sti is a great car, the bmw is a great car and the 8 is a great car. We're fortunate enough to live in a time where there is a broad selection of enthusiasts car and enough variety to suit everyone's needs.

CarAndDriver

The the mid-90's to the early 2000's were not a good time for relatively affordable, quick and sporty/sport cars. The US market has seen a resurgence for these types of vehicles and its great for us car enthusiasts.

eforer

It really is a good time to be an enthusiast. After my accident in january I must have driven 15 different candidates for a new car. Pretty much everything I tried was great. It allowed me to shop by form factor and price as there were enough options out there. Surprisingly the only car I really didn't care for was the G35, despite the fact that I liked the Z. Something got lost in translation with those two cars.

Feras

iTrader: (1)

i dont know about demolish... the handling on the 335 is pretty goddamn good. Im not confident enough to go as fast around curves in it as i do the 8 but im getting there and im nowhere near a limit yet.

Broker73

lol....oh IKE....I knew you'd find the best time for an STI and quote it...oh and calling someone retarded really shows your class I shouldn't be surprised...You are very funny...oh and don't worry I am not upset..lol...I feel sorry for you....I always wondered why someone who didn't own an 8 posts so much on this forum?..lol...you truely are a piece or work.

You really think your word is the bible! I didn't realize from a roll (50kph) is the same as comparing highway speeds??.... Yes from a dead stop maybe the STI has a slight edge, but from a roll, highway + normal driving you'd have to admit it is close with the edge going to the 335 (possibly)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=2

another comparison...just for you IKE!

I even think they screwed up on those numbers..I think the actual mad had the STI with the lower times??..can't remember

playdoh43

i think the 335 more than holds its own vs the sti on a race track, i do think sti probably have an advantage due to the traction and weight advantage, but i dont see sti or evo crushing or demolishing the 335 unless its on a rally course

Ike

Last time I checked from a dig is from a dead stop, not kind of a stop, or almost stopped. Are you going to keep trying to prove me wrong by essentially repeating what I said in the first place? If I call someone retarded and it's true, is it still classless?

Broker73

IKE you're pathetic...lol....keep hiding behind your computer little boy...I guess you have nothing better to do but post on this forum..

Proving you wrong??...lol....you seem to think your word is the gold, and you know everything about everything. You are one of those guys I'd love to meet in person Yet I highly doubt there would be any name calling without the safety of your computer screen to hide you.

Some of your posts over the last few years have been insightful, but at times when anyone posts something slightly off what "you think" or what "you seem to believe", you become arrogant and narrowminded....I can't count how many times you've been the $!%! disturber when it came to the 8, or how many times you claimed to see a car "run this time" etc. and provide no proof yourself.

What you don't get is we were talking about the same thing in the first place...but as soon as someone even mentions a car having an edge on an STI, you've been the first to jump right in and try to dispute that.......from a dig, roll..whatever...my point is most mag times have them bang on, or a slight edge to the 335..I was indulging you with the fact that from a dig the STI may get a jump, but I am pretty sure it would not pull.....but if anything this topic has shown you do have no class, and resort BS name calling when you can hide behind your computer. ...keep up the good work!

Ike

I'm the "$!%! disturber"? You're the one that was tryng to stir up **** from the start by starting this thread. Hell, our summation of the cars was about the same yet you still flip out because you seem to be lacking when it comes to the whole reading comprehension thing. I'm also the pathetic one with no class!?!? You're the one getting the tough guy attitude from behind you computer screen about some stupid car stats.

You say you haven't seen one mag get close to the times I was saying, I point you to a 13 flat run by a major mag, how is that not proof? I say on the streets from a dig the STI has an advantage but that the 335 has the advantage on the highway (from a roll). You fire back with "I don't agree with you IKE that on the streets from a roll (lets say 50kph), the STI would have the upper hand". You're disagreeing with something I never said in the first place. Could you possibly troll for an argument any harder? Shall we add insane to the list of "names" I'm calling you? How about nutjob, wacko, psycho?