rx8miami

have you ever autox your car? elapsed time? yes real tracks have cones and by the way if you mod an 8 with lets see..................12psi of boost (turbo) headers, midpipe/exhaust,bridge port, and lets say a can stage 1 I don't care what you did to your evo the potential for the 8 is much greater. lets not forget that the evo is a crappy econo car on steroids. lets put the already quick 8 on roids and see where the two fall!

1stRX8

Bridge port a Renesis? I don't think you can do that. It already has 6 ports.

You can't have headers with a turbo, but I know what ya mean.

rx8miami

the point being, the rx8 and it's owners hav ejust only begun to tune them. the day will coem and will coem soon that a moded up 8 will blow the doors off of a evo. damn i hate that car. it's so damn ugly and overly upgraded. reminds me of dodge's spirit rt turbo back in early 90's.

rx8miami

and about the bridge port, no one has really goen publoc here on it but many have said they will eventually try. I believe it can be done.

RX8-TX

:o not again.

Ike

He's hopeless, I'm just going to add him to my ignore list now rather than try to argue with him :p By the way Einstein, an autox track is more well known as a parking lot, IT'S NOT A REAL TRACK!

rx8miami

by the way dufus, anything you race on is a track. and ignore me all you want It really doesn't matter that you can have a ligitamate debate without getting all pissy.

rx8miami

you know what I take that back. I honestly do. My problem here is that some of you "ikewrx" can not take anybodys opinion seriously if it doesn't adhere with your own. This is why the forums are open to all and not just to the top posters which all seem to think they are the gods of this site. I really hope some of you read this and think about what I am saying. Just read and opnionate and move on with out getting your feelings hurt and acting like any other idea is ludicrous. And by the way Ike I owned a Rex for a couple of years with major mods (vf34 turbo running 16lbs,turbo xs blow off valve,hks catback exhaust,aps high flow intake,headers (unlike what the kid said above who claims you can't put headers on a turbo), and decent wheels prodrive 18's anthracite which are for sale $1200obo, and ann eibach drop. Now I must say Ike I was in a member of a Rex forum which wasn't as combativie as this and we all stuck together on one basic premise. We all hated the EVO. You seem to be teh only Rex guy out there that sticks up for the econo trash car. Give it up, it's a piece of crap. I apoligize to all who were ofended by my comments to Ike and I promsie it will never happen again on this forum. But get the picture here! This is open!

revhappy

At what cost? Currently, EVO's are easily making around 400 WHP on the stock turbo. This will run you a few thousand dollars. Turbo upgrades and aftermarket turbos are already popping up to increase power beyond that. You may hate it all you want, but its racing and street performance has been proven time and time again.

revhappy

We must be crazy because at all of the meets around here, the rex and evo guys are quite interested in each others cars (you can include other enthusiast cars in there as well). In fact, the founder of our EVO club founded one of the largest wrx clubs in the country.

Ike

Yeah, no clue what WRX club he belonged to... There may be a friendly rivalry but when it comes down to it most owners of both cars respect and like the other.

rx8miami, you're doing the typical noob fanboi thing by creating some imaginary car on paper and then comparing it to a stock car. Mod for mod the EVO wins, stock for stock the EVO wins on everything but an autox track, which is NOT a real race track. The EVO has far greater potentiel than the RX-8 does at this point, it has tons of available mods and just putting a $50 boost controller on an EVO would mean you have to put several thousand dollars into an RX-8 to get it up to par in a straight line, and those mods aren't even available yet even if you did have the thousands to spend.

rlfletch

You can put lipstick on a pig... the reality of the EVO and WRX are that they are factory versions of coffee can civics with the trick kit. No doubt the're fast but weren't intitially engineered to heighten the driving experience but to be sold cheap and run ecomically. My friend who owns a built WRX drove the RX-8 on the track and commented: "It feels so much more like a sports car." He gets it. The EVO drives like a video game right down to the tiny controls, cool because its easy to go fast but lacking in satisfaction. To each his own.

Ike: You must SUCK at Autocrossing the way you bag on it. I much prefer track driving but to knock on autocrossing just shows your lack of experience.

Ike

I had more track experience by the time I was able to drive legally than you have in your life most likely. I don't have anything against autox, but it is far far from the end all be all or motorsports. Honestly I gave it up for this season because 4 minutes of track time every few weeks when it's warm just isn't worth me wasting an entire Sunday and a lot of money on. If you think there's no difference between a WRX, EVO, STi, and a tarted up civic you're just a moronic fanboi that has no appreciation for fun performance cars. I highly doubt you've ever driven an EVO and you're just basing your biased opinions on nothing other than aesthetics and your fanboi attitude. A WRX, STi and EVO have more racing roots than the entire Mazda line put together, wake the hell up!

revhappy

I think you are trying to relegate the WRX, STI and EVO to factory engineered fast cars that have no soul. Try driving an EVO, you will soon find out that the steering feel offers more feedback than even a miata. You'll also notice a cockpit that places everything in near-perfect positons for driving spiritedly. You'll notice seats that are designed to keep you in place during hard cornering. You'll notice that the car feels significantly lighter than its actual curb weight.

You won't get the sleek lines of a classic sports car nor will you sit as low to the ground. However, you will have plenty of room to carry stuff and bring people in the rear seats and you will easily clear most speed bumps!

rlfletch

Untill either of you trolling dorks have driven an RX-8 on the track: STFU! Ike: Why you feel the need to lay your urine all over this board escapes me. This is the "Racing" forum isn't it? Not the "magazine quoting" or "I have an uninformed opinion" forum.

Believe what you will, I've driven both a WRX and an EVO at speed, on the track. Not to mention countless other front, rear, and all-wheel drive cars in the past 12 years as a student and an instructor. Take a look under your car. What kind of suspension do you see? Hell, I stand corrected, previous generation Civics had a more sophisticated double wishbone up front than yours. 5 years of working for American Honda didn't leave me biased though and just so you know, they changed to struts for COST reasons. I don't deny the speed both these cars carry and the racing background, but they are still HOT RODDED ECONO BOX's. I don't see clapped out RX-8's with 13" wheels covers and gray rat fuzz interiors at the local car rental store. Your shrill defensiveness only underscores the truth. If you had half a clue you would be proud of how freakin fast they made a S#%$t box go, that's their appeal for me

The RX-8 isn't the greatest car ever made but it's more fun, sophisticated and challenging to drive than yours. As I said before though, I really did like the brakes on that EVO and it definately had more headroom. An EVO MS would be tempting for it's sheer ability and value but that wing is pure FANBOY on a street car. I have a lot of respect for both cars just not some of their owners.

Ike

No person with the track experience you claim to have would have such little respect for other good track cars. Also, the RX-8 is hardly the more challenging to drive, it's one of the easiest to drive fast and that's one of the great things about it. Nor would anyone that is so dedicated to track driving bring up so much nonsense about sophistication and looks.

I never said anything bad about the RX-8, yet you feel the need to bash the EVO and WRX, who's the one being defensive again?

rx8miami

i will never and i mean never bash the evo perofrmance. that would be completely amateur forme to do. on the other hand having owned the rex and driven the evo the two simply don't comapre in quality. a good friend of mine is a sales manager at a mitsu dealer and he has let me drive the **** out of a few on the lot. they are indeed fun to ride no doubt but the car feels like it just doesn't belong with the drivetrain it's mated too. in short, the all wheel drive system that std. on all subies works well with all subies. mitsu did something wrong with the evo and it just feel sflat out wrong. don't even get me started on the road noise in the evo. picture the road noise the econo version of the lancer and multiply it by lets say 10? the impreza in it's simplist form is still over $20k. thge lancer is around $13500. trust me you know the differecne when you drive them. maybe I am biased (prob. am) but the rex is superior in quality. I guess the best analogy would be like comparing our rx8's to lets say a dodge neon rt. they are both similar in performance and effective at what they do. but you decide which of the two is superior in quality?

revhappy

Dude, the road noise on the EVO is normal. That's the price you pay for having soft compound performance tires. There will also be some drivetrain noise as well, its a friggen performance car....if you want a quiet ride get a Cadillac or something. Does an S2000 or an Integra Type R or any Honda motorcycle lack "quality" because they have lots of "road noise".

So, what exactly is "wrong" with the EVO's AWD? You are the first person I have seen who has complained about the "feel" of the EVO's AWD system. Perhaps, the quick steering and feedback seem unusual to you? Sure, the EVO (100% manufacured and assembled in Japan) isn't up to a Honda's level of quality, however it seems to be suffering from less glitches currently than the RX8 IMHO.

As for the level of advancement in suspensions, I will give you that the general design in the RX8 is theoretically superior. However, with all of the upgrades done to the EVO, one could say that its evolved into something else. This design has proven itself in the WRC for years and the street EVO's handling figures have spoken for themselves for years as well. The RX8 needs alot more power to take advantage of its great suspension (assuming it can be tuned correctly to get rid of the softness and handle more sharply) , but with the dismal gas mileage figures, its tough to see versions coming out with much more power.Finally, IMHO, the tune of a suspension is far more important for the average enthusiast than some theoretically wonderful suspension that could be good, with some major adjustments.

rx8miami

i challenge you to drive lets say a clk amg, vette z06,even a nissan 350z, honda s2000 as you sited. drive them at 100mph plus and they feel like you are driving 45mph. don't know if you have but since you are such a pro and us ameteurs really don't know how cars are to handle and sound at high speed why don't you do the comparison. the mistu at any speed above 45 mph feels like it is goign to take off and fly into orbit. all of the above referenced cars feel nice and firm at high speeds. mind you they are not caddy's or lexus's and they seem to not sound like you are on cheap soft compound tires. the evo and a car liek the neon rt are cheaply made econo cars that feel cheap at any speed. they out performs many, I have not debated that. but it is just a poor ride. regardless of whatever dig you want to make about us ameteurs and how we look at cars, the evo is merely nutin more than big performance bang for your buck.. and let me ask you a question. would you pay $35000 for a loaded 8 if it soudned liek **** on the highway cruising at 85mph? Or any car for that matter at that price. The subie drives strong and quiet at that speed. you still have failed to make the distinction between the two rides and why the evo rides as it does. i'll make it easier for you. the lancer is a cheaply made car which has and will continue to be marketed to people considering kias,hyaundais,base level civis,and ecos and the evo version is just a much much better performing version. and their awd system clunks like a 4x4 by the way on both of the evos i have driven (hard by the way) and this is why i give the subie the edge in that category. do not forget taht subaru has made a living makin gonly awd cars and they are th ebest at it for a reason. thats what they do, mitsus attempt falls way short of them imho.
thats it i give up. promsie i won't discuss the two on thsi site again.

Ike

The WRX is like that because it comes with all season tires and has softer suspension. Ride in my car and it sounds like any car with stiff suspension and high performance tires, just like most other cars would. Also, sound deadening materials weigh a good amount, which is one of the reasons more performance oriented cars are noisier because they don't have much.

BTW, the RX-8 is one of the louder cars on the market when cruising at highway speeds so I have no clue what you're talking about. Would I pay 35k for a loaded RX-8 if it sounded like **** at 85mph on the highway? Nope, not if it doesn't handle and accelerate like an EVO. But I would pay 27k for an EVO and grin all the way up to 100mph in my shitty sounding car.

rx8miami

to each his own! btw shitty riding cars as i said usually feel like they are faling apart and rattle like hell very much like the evo. my 8 sounds and rides great at 85mph even after mods and my wrx did too! don't know what you have done to yous. what have you done btw?

Ike

Well, once it gets warm again the KYB AGX struts with Prodrive springs are going back in along with some azenis and a rear sway. Other stuff as well but that's it for suspension. The EVO I testdrove did not rattle and was a little more harsh of a ride, but that's why it handles so damn well. I don't deny that the WRX and STi make for better daily drivers if you're worried about a jarring ride, but there is a compromise. If you want the best handling car in stock form you get the EVO, if you want a good daily that has a cushier ride and still handles very well then the WRX of STi are probably better choices.

rx8miami

agreed, I have a little excerpt from r&t long test haul that speaks of what you and I bantered about.
Turning radius is poor; it needs a 6th gear for more relaxed highway cruising; gear linkage is a bit notchy; it's loud inside, thanks to driveline whine, turbo whoosh and what appears to be minimal sound deadening. All that said, what a blast it is to squirt around town in this thing! — Andrew Bornhop, Senior Editor

revhappy

Go on the evo boards and you'll see a common theme from owners is that the car is extremely stable at high speeds, in fact more than most of them have ever experienced. Believe, it or not the wing does have a function. It is scarily easy to go 130 MPH and not even know it (Yes, I have driven the S2000 and 350Z). Is a GT3, Enzo or Murcielago "cheap" because they are noisy?

If they "feel so cheap" at any speed, why have the British magazines like EVO, Car, Tope Gear who are known for their emphasis on the means more than the ends of a car's performance, constantly given the EVO (and STI) their highest praise to it for a decade plus. Of course, if there is an economy car name in the model name, then it must all not be true.

BTW, using semi-correct english will help convey your argument a bit better.

rx8miami

btw, you little comment about semi-correct english is out of line. simply becasue I am not glued to the comp. as you probably are (computer geek) I type quite poorly. when I type quickly it seems to come out as jiberish. secondly, I would gladly take you on any debate forum you punk. you probably never went to college or saw a college campus so please don't try to patronize me.

evo............. you probably have not driven it so don't speak of what you do not know.

sorry I spoke of the two cars against my previous post, but revboys pathetic comments merrited a lashing.