Lol, he is my friend and just bought one. I actually have two friends with Mazda 6 GT's. Wow, and Blade, they both live in Texas,

You guys are not getting my point and I think it's funny how the ones who care such much about what I think don't even own a Mazda 6 . As I have said, I just don't think the comparisons that's ash8 keeps basing his opinions are fair. If you think so then fine, but I think it's funny that he created this thread aimed at me instead of continuing the other thread. I guess he has somewhat of a hard on for me, I am not sure of I should be flattered or worried.

The Mazda 6 is a fine car, just because I don't care for it doesn't mean others don't love it. I don't get the attraction but it's not my car. I have plenty of friends who don't understand my love for the 8 and I could care less. People buy cars from many, many reasons. For me, paying 30k for a 4 cylinder Mazda 6 doesn't make sense. But then again neither does me dumping $50,000.00 into an RX-8 over the past near decade so who am I to talk. Martin (05mazdarx8) buys what he wants and I buy what I want and we don't need each others constant approval in order to remain friends. Same goes for my other friend who sold his 8 for a 6 GT and loves it.

My other point is that magazine journalist are biased and not reliable sources for honest reviews. That is not even really an argument though for most people, except ash8 of course.


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Blade, Yes there are options that can only be had in the V-6. Important ones like the V-6 only 6 speed with sport mode. The 4 bangers only get the CVT or manual gear box. Oh and you have a CX-5 with Kat skinz interior? Wow, I bet it's amazing.

 

Yeah journalists really arent. I remember Top gear was always biased towards the 350Z over the Rx8. Then again it isnt a magazine but same kind of review and comparisons.

 

this is absurd ,9k....the 2 cars of the comparo are similar, not a v6 vs a 4 banger...

same thing if you'll want compare the next 2.2 diesel vs a gas car....

 

Typical corporate influence, nothing new. The discussion I got into in the other thread was just about one of the journalist who works for Motor Trend and how he is neither an automotive expert or a reliable journalist.

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I wonder how they even compared the rx8 1.3 2 rotor vs the 350z 3.5L 6 cyl. Top of the line car vs top of the line car of each manufacturer is a much more fair. Im sure the 6 cyl would spank the 4 cyl mazda 6 in terms of speed but i would like to see what the top of the line mazda 6 would do up against the top of the line accord regardless the engine in it.

but thats just me. Id still choose my Skyactiv 6 over an Accord with its 185 hp and 189 tq...

 

So a V-6 Accord and Mazda 6 GT are not similar cars?

 

If they arent similar then i think mazda wouldnt market it up against he Camry, and the Accord.

 

Exactly, it would be just like comparing a 4 port Auto RX-8 to a 350Z when they both first came out.

 

I think its more around the lines of the Toyota celica people comparing the 4 port auto vs their top of the line celica because the 6 port has more power than the 4 cyl in the celica. It should be top of the line vs top of the line.

Correct me if i am wrong but back in 2005 i believe the celica GT was a competitor to the rx8.

 

NO. here in EU (example) are completely different cars , accord will have no chance in the market with a v6 under the hood.

 

Well there have been some really funky comparisons over the years and many cars like the RX-8 that really did not fit in so they compared them with all kinds of ****. Most would say the Celica GTS and RX-8 were not competitors. But for me back then, the only real competition was the G35 and 330ci since the 350Z and S2000 were two seaters. But yet I saw those comparison made all the time.

 

Well here in the U.S. a lot of midsize V-6's sedans are sold. A lot. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why they don't sell well in Europe. Even though a V-6 Accord supposedly gets 18 City / 28 HWY. But then again we all know that trusting published MPG figures is for the most part stupid since the real world figures are usually quite a bit lower for the average owner.

 

It is unfortunate they did not give the 6 enough HP to be competitive. Think how great it would be if it was RWD and a 250 HP base model and a 300+ HP GT model.

 

Yeah, an AWD or RWD with a 275-300HP V-6 would be great. Although for mid to high 30's you can get a BMW 328. And with just a flash tune you can get it to 286WHP and 306ft/lb.

 

A RWD turbo 4cyl w/250 HP and 300+ HP GT V6. Similar to what other manufactures are doing. I had high hopes for the new 6 but now it is not even an option.

 

the car is build in Japan for ALL THE WORLD (every market). world outside US is not so interested to a family sedan with a 300 hp v6 and FWD.

 

So you agree then that the Mazda 6 should have more power for the U.S. market then? I'm not following what point you are trying to make.

 

I think he is trying to say that there is that the automotive market doesn't consist of only on the US.

 

the point is that THE WORLD is orienting to 4 IL 2.0-2.5 family sedans (and diesel powered). and don't care about PART of US market wich still crave for useless 300hp V6 FWD cars.

Honda still have a factory in US producing those cars, Mazda has closed it.

Honda outsell 10:1 in US market? no problem because for Mazda the market is the whole world.

 

an intersting point but the U.S market is the largest one youre forgetting that
if hondas dominating the us and mazda dominates world sales im willing to bet my money that honda will still out sell

 

for 4 door sedan i'm seriously doubt about that.

Eu+Jap+China are bigger than US+Canada IMHO

Eu+China+Japan are asking for 4 banger (as well a minor part of US+Cdn market).

 

yes for a sedan
2 words...
toyota camry.

not everyone drives in china and japan europe is the closest compettition but in europe its all about european brands back when i was visiting the only other cars besides bmws and mercedes audi's etc, i saw were the european ones i never even knew existed.

According to the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics for 2009 there are 254,212,610 registered passenger vehicles in the u.s
in china there are 240 million vehicles in 2012

us population 313 million consumers
Canada 34.48 million
us+canada=347 million
China 1.344 billion
europe 739 million

as you can see 85% of the u.s population is buying cars and thats an 2009 number
but only 20% of the chinese population is buying cars with recent numbers

that difference is big enough to where i wont even compare lil ol japan, and eu (mostly 2nd and 3rd world countries with little to zero market) and not to mention the markets not even selling there.

 

You US customers buy truck and SUV in massive numbers.

4 door sedan are "world cars" and i repeat tha US+CND is NOT MORE THE MOST IMPORTANT MARKET....world is orienting to 4 banger engine diesel and gasoline.

that's why Mazda japan has decided to not build a v6 mazda6. because speaking about world market V6 version is NOT SO IMPORTANT in overall numbers.

diesel version is becoming important (speaking always in global numbers) and you can see that diesel is coming ALSO in US.

 

stereotype

i dint say it was the most important market. i said it was the largest
all the markets are important

what is this term "world cars"

your trying to say mazda didnt build the v6 because the "world" market demands a 4cylinder engine
but the us market "craves" a fwd 300hp v6?

where do you gather that from? the nightly news?

if "the world" is orienting toward anything its electric and hydrogen
and if the us market "craves" anything its more mpg not 300hp v6's