Cars I would consider owning
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
I have. Review the threads. Also, some people are afraid to side with me. That's what happens when one side gets bulldozed.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
How can people be affraid to side with you, you haven't made a valid argument yet. Kinda of hard to side with someone when they just make backhanded sweeping generalizations with no evidence or support...
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Originally Posted by truemagellen
you'd think the banana getting it in back peel would get sore after awhile but they just keep going! :p
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I have a PT Cruiser and I prefer driving it around town (over the 8). However, after I bought the 8, I did decide that the PT had to have a suspension upgrade -- no more mushy rides for me. I'm thinking a turbo might be good too.
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Originally Posted by Speed-ER doc
I bet that if you shift like that in your RX-8, it won't last as long as those who drive it like it's supposed to be driven.
The 8 needs to redline.
The 8 needs to redline.
#81
Originally Posted by Steiner
If you'de rather own an RX-8 than a Viper then you should be committed. You drive a Mazda...not God's chariot. Where is the elitism coming from...GM, Ford, Chrysler...get over yourself dude. Each of those manufacturers builds a car that any true "car guy" would almost sacrifice their first born child for...Viper, Vette, and the new GT.
But as you can see in the GM thread I started, I would absolutely drive a Corvette. There is no snobbery or elitism here. I'm simply telling it like it is. I have nothing personal against American cars, obviously...now. I have something against crap. See, some of you are biased for American cars and those people should just admit it. I do not have anything against American cars. I simply do not have a bias with regard to American cars (check my GM thread just to nullify your doubts), which is the way it should be.
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Originally Posted by Speed-ER doc
Either one would beat your RX-8 in any race: track, dragstrip, stoplight, highway roll....wouldn't matter. You would need binoculars to read the license plate.
And the new F-150 is a heck of a truck, too. Shoot, a stock 1999 F-150 Lightning would give you a good race. But I'm sure such things don't matter to a sophisticated car connoisseur like yourself. To some people however, substance > style.
Changed your oil this week? Gotten the latest reflash? Kept up with those pesky recalls? I really haven't missed those features of RX-8 ownership.
And the new F-150 is a heck of a truck, too. Shoot, a stock 1999 F-150 Lightning would give you a good race. But I'm sure such things don't matter to a sophisticated car connoisseur like yourself. To some people however, substance > style.
Changed your oil this week? Gotten the latest reflash? Kept up with those pesky recalls? I really haven't missed those features of RX-8 ownership.
BTW. driving while using binoculars is extremely dangerous.
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Oh yeah, sorry Aratinga, forgot about the GTO. I like the car. I'll add it to the list. I just wish they would put some more character to the exterior lines, eg. bring the fenders out a little.
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
So you would actually drive that car proudly? Only a high school kid could even fathom that.
You said:
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Originally Posted by Steiner
This is such a random thread but I'll bite...
Viper SRT-10
Ram SRT-10
Neon SRT-4
Charger SRT-8
Crossfire SRT-6
300C SRT-8
...plus the Magnum RT AWD Hemi, most full size trucks Dodge makes, and a Hemi Durango. I think DCx is making exciting cars. Chrysler is a helluva lot funner than it was 5-8 years ago.
Viper SRT-10
Ram SRT-10
Neon SRT-4
Charger SRT-8
Crossfire SRT-6
300C SRT-8
...plus the Magnum RT AWD Hemi, most full size trucks Dodge makes, and a Hemi Durango. I think DCx is making exciting cars. Chrysler is a helluva lot funner than it was 5-8 years ago.
Originally Posted by PoorCollegeKid
There's a better alternative to the SRT4 for ~20,000? Performance wise, I'd have a really hard time passing that car up if I only had $20,000 to spend and wanted a decent all-around performer.
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
I'll keep your discourse in mind next time I become a race car driver. Forget about substance over style. I'm talking only about substance.
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Originally Posted by PoorCollegeKid
That wasn't my point. Read the two posts over again.
You said:
To which I replied:
So, what exactly is the better alternative to the SRT4 in its class? You said that you could find a car that is better than the SRT4, so by all means, I would like to see what you think is better than the SRT4 in its class. Since this is simply your subjective opinion, there's no wrong answer, so feel free to post up your opinion on this matter. Personally, I think that the only car that comes close is the Cobalt SS, but that car costs 10% more and doesn't come with an LSD.
You said:
To which I replied:
So, what exactly is the better alternative to the SRT4 in its class? You said that you could find a car that is better than the SRT4, so by all means, I would like to see what you think is better than the SRT4 in its class. Since this is simply your subjective opinion, there's no wrong answer, so feel free to post up your opinion on this matter. Personally, I think that the only car that comes close is the Cobalt SS, but that car costs 10% more and doesn't come with an LSD.
You also qualified "performance." Um ok. Do you own an RX8 over the alternatives? What about all the other considerations that most people who are not high school students would consider? With that, I can tell you I would rather have a Scion tc, Mazda 3 sedan, Honda Civic sedan old and new that hasn't come out yet, and Accord sedan with the 4 cylinder can be around the range as well. Not only could I pass up on the SRT-4 but under no circumstances- not even if they offered 300 HP, would I ever be caught in an SRT-4 or a Cobalt SS unless it was a rental car.
Let me restate again what I said earlier. How could you drive the SRT-4 without feeling at least a little embarrassed or uneasy unless you're a high school student? I can see someone picking the 350Z over the RX8 because of HP. But you would really drive the SRT-4 primarily because of the HP/performance? You really couldn't pass it up?
I detect a mismatch in your follow-up post. I think you got excited and had to post the thing about the SRT-4 and its performance being hard to pass up. However, I don't believe you yourself would jump to buy it, regardless of the alternatives. Would you actually jump to buy it? LOL. Like reading a children's book.
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Originally Posted by Speed-ER doc
If you just want to get from point a to point b, you should have bought a V4 Camry.
Like a rusty ol' tin
Cutting through the skin
Destroying everything as it went
I would rather own a Camry inline-4 or an Accord inline-4 over any Mustang, absolutely. The 2003 Cobra that was overrated in HP (that's the one you're talking about, right?) is an absolute **** mobile. The new Mustang is a complete post-ejaculatory and diarrhea mess of a car. As you know.
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
I know what you said. And our statements mesh fine. IF you feel a car is a better alternative, THEN you would drive it over the first one. The contrapositive is then: If you would not drive another car over the first car, then you feel the other car is not better. I would not drive the Neon SRT-4 over a few alternatives because I feel the SRT-4 is not better than those alternatives. You wrote that you would have a hard time passing up on the SRT-4 at around $20,000. So you would buy the Neon SRT-4 but you wouldn't be proud to drive it? You'd rather not drive it but you would own it? LOL. Go figure.
You also qualified "performance." Um ok. Do you own an RX8 over the alternatives? What about all the other considerations that most people who are not high school students would consider? With that, I can tell you I would rather have a Scion tc, Mazda 3 sedan, Honda Civic sedan old and new that hasn't come out yet, and Accord sedan with the 4 cylinder can be around the range as well. Not only could I pass up on the SRT-4 but under no circumstances- not even if they offered 300 HP, would I ever be caught in an SRT-4 or a Cobalt SS unless it was a rental car.
Let me restate again what I said earlier. How could you drive the SRT-4 without feeling at least a little embarrassed or uneasy unless you're a high school student? I can see someone picking the 350Z over the RX8 because of HP. But you would really drive the SRT-4 primarily because of the HP/performance? You really couldn't pass it up?
I detect a mismatch in your follow-up post. I think you got excited and had to post the thing about the SRT-4 and its performance being hard to pass up. However, I don't believe you yourself would jump to buy it, regardless of the alternatives. Would you actually jump to buy it? LOL. Like reading a children's book.
You also qualified "performance." Um ok. Do you own an RX8 over the alternatives? What about all the other considerations that most people who are not high school students would consider? With that, I can tell you I would rather have a Scion tc, Mazda 3 sedan, Honda Civic sedan old and new that hasn't come out yet, and Accord sedan with the 4 cylinder can be around the range as well. Not only could I pass up on the SRT-4 but under no circumstances- not even if they offered 300 HP, would I ever be caught in an SRT-4 or a Cobalt SS unless it was a rental car.
Let me restate again what I said earlier. How could you drive the SRT-4 without feeling at least a little embarrassed or uneasy unless you're a high school student? I can see someone picking the 350Z over the RX8 because of HP. But you would really drive the SRT-4 primarily because of the HP/performance? You really couldn't pass it up?
I detect a mismatch in your follow-up post. I think you got excited and had to post the thing about the SRT-4 and its performance being hard to pass up. However, I don't believe you yourself would jump to buy it, regardless of the alternatives. Would you actually jump to buy it? LOL. Like reading a children's book.
Let me make it simple for you if you need cliffnotes, stop twisting what people say around and name a car with better performance for 20k, if you can't then STFU.
Regards,
Ike
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
The 2003 Cobra that was overrated in HP (that's the one you're talking about, right?) is an absolute **** mobile.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Performance wise, which is what he stated in his original post, name a better car in its class? It doesn't exist, for 20k for a new car no other car compares "performance wise", for that very reason if I only had 20k to spend and wanted the most performance for my money on a new car that's where it would go. Would I be proud about driving an SRT-4, maybe maybe not, but I wouldn't feel any different with my Scion or Civic and I'd have a hell of a lot more fun driving than you would in your slow little car. In other words, stop twisting what people say around and name a car with better performance for 20k or STFU.
Rgards,
Ike
Rgards,
Ike
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
I would rather own a Camry inline-4 or an Accord inline-4 over any Mustang, absolutely. The 2003 Cobra that was overrated in HP (that's the one you're talking about, right?) is an absolute **** mobile. The new Mustang is a complete post-ejaculatory and diarrhea mess of a car. As you know.
So you know better than every automotive journalist, every car enthusiast, and every Mustang owner that has praised the 03+ Cobra and new mustang? I realize you're trying to be contraversial here, and it's mildly amusing, but any hopes you may have of ever having an ounce of credibility placed on what you say is gone as a result of your moronic rants.
I can say without a doubt you've never driven an 03 Cobra, nor the new Mustang, you're simply basing your opinions on some strange dislike for certain car companies. Did some badman that worked for Ford touch you in the badplace when you were young?
By the way smartguy, it was the 99 Cobra that was overrated and Ford made good by adding extra hp to the cars (FYI;the 03+ is underrated). If you're going to make such bold statements in the future at least have some clue about what you're talking about.
Lastly, maybe someone that drives a 225hp RX-8 shouldn't be mocking another car companies inability to get HP numbers correct, and you probably didn't even get free service or $500 giftcard...
Feel stupid yet?
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
Ike, you missed my logics thing. First, this thread is about Chryslers I would own. Under no circumstances would I ever own a Neon SRT-4, regardless of performance. I have named the alternatives that I would rather own because they are superior overall. Second, why would he say it's hard to pass up on the Neon SRT-4 at $20,000 unless he also meant he would drive that car proudly? If he wouldn't drive that car proudly, why would it be difficult to pass up on it? The one possibility is because the performance is so good for the price, he would have to do a double-take. A double-take. I asked: Would he jump on it without hesitation? My hunch was that he would not. He would most probably say to himself "damn that is a lot of performance for the price but that car is such an ugly and overall POS but I'll kick myself in the nuts if I pass up on that shiet." The only kind of person who would hesitate like that on the SRT-4 is a high school pecker wood. Logical?
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
So you know better than every automotive journalist, every car enthusiast, and every Mustang owner that has praised the 03+ Cobra and new mustang? I realize you're trying to be contraversial here, and it's mildly amusing, but any hopes you may have of ever having an ounce of credibility placed on what you say is gone as a result of your moronic rants.
I can say without a doubt you've never driven an 03 Cobra, nor the new Mustang, you're simply basing your opinions on some strange dislike for certain car companies. Did some badman that worked for Ford touch you in the badplace when you were young?
By the way smartguy, it was the 99 Cobra that was overrated and Ford made good by adding extra hp to the cars (FYI;the 03+ is underrated). If you're going to make such bold statements in the future at have some clue about what you're talking about.
Lastly, maybe someone that drives a 225hp RX-8 shouldn't be mocking another car companies inability to get HP numbers correct, and you probably didn't even get free service or $500 giftcard...
Feel stupid yet?
I can say without a doubt you've never driven an 03 Cobra, nor the new Mustang, you're simply basing your opinions on some strange dislike for certain car companies. Did some badman that worked for Ford touch you in the badplace when you were young?
By the way smartguy, it was the 99 Cobra that was overrated and Ford made good by adding extra hp to the cars (FYI;the 03+ is underrated). If you're going to make such bold statements in the future at have some clue about what you're talking about.
Lastly, maybe someone that drives a 225hp RX-8 shouldn't be mocking another car companies inability to get HP numbers correct, and you probably didn't even get free service or $500 giftcard...
Feel stupid yet?
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
Not at all. Because I drove one of those shitmobiles. Knew the dude in 2003. So year the Cobra was, I don't know. It's the previous body style. Automatic. Black leather with horizontal lines on the seats. Disastrous build quality. Powerful. Would never buy one. It's ****.
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Not logical in the least, you see, when you twist around what someone says it's called a fallacy. He qualified his statement with "performance wise" which you have mostly ignored. If performance is high on your list of priorities it probably is the best overall car. You arguing about something being ugly is also not logical, you're making another fallacy of logic and assuming it's universally considered an ugly car and also making a statement look like fact when it is nothing but you opinion and is clearly subjective. You're also making assumptions which doesn't exactly fly, logically... You've made another fallacy in that your're disregarding someones opinion because they're young, just because some "high school pecker wood" thinks the SRT-4 is a great car does not make is false. Are we clear? Logically?
Your post is pretty funny actually. You overuse the word "fallacy" when you use it twice, suggesting you couldn't come up with...better alternatives. LOL. You also use it strangely in the phrase "made another fallacy," which is poor diction as well as unidiomatic.
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
You obviously don't understand the logical path I outlined, which is irrefutable. Not even Tom Cruise or Jack Nicholson could disprove it. You are mentioning other things that are totally irrelevant. Ask Hard8 to help you pro bono.
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Not at all. Because I drove one of those shitmobiles. Knew the dude in 2003. So year the Cobra was, I don't know. It's the previous body style. Automatic. Black leather with horizontal lines on the seats. Disastrous build quality. Powerful. Would never buy one. It's ****.
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
You obviously don't understand the logical path I outlined, which is irrefutable. Not even Tom Cruise or Jack Nicholson could disprove it. You are mentioning other things that are totally irrelevant. Ask Hard8 to help you pro bono.
Your post is pretty funny actually. You overuse the word "fallacy" when you use it twice, suggesting you couldn't come up with...better alternatives. LOL. You also use it strangely in the phrase "made another fallacy," which is poor diction as well as unidiomatic.
Your post is pretty funny actually. You overuse the word "fallacy" when you use it twice, suggesting you couldn't come up with...better alternatives. LOL. You also use it strangely in the phrase "made another fallacy," which is poor diction as well as unidiomatic.