Is that racist or something? So I'd nver have a better car cuz I'm not white?

 

u might be mistaken on this one shaolin, i don't think he meant it as a racist comment... i think shelleys man meant who can win a real fight.

 

lol i was poking fun at his white knuckle comment.......i took it as holding onto someting very tightly (a in pushing your car to the limit)...but i have been know to take things the wrong way the kinda' run with it....hope i didn' toffend anyone

 

whats an ITR? integra? can wew please not speak in wierd acronyms or body designations and the such, i sometimes have no idea what you're talking about with DC5R, DC2, DSM...etc...i know all about the cars that those designations denote because car magazines don't use those acronyms, i hate having to ask or research some obscure body designation just to find out wth everyone is talking about.

 

Sorry. It's Integra Type-R. The DC2 chassis represents Integras from 1994-2001, and the DC5 represents Integras from 2002+. I like abbreviating things because even though I write a lot, my hands hurt too.

 

Thank you Feras, I dont know what the hell people are talking about sometimes

 

Yes, the Cobalt has better numbers. But isn't this Cavalier vs Integra?

 

the cobalt is supposed to be a step up from what the cavalier was. i think that last redesign was what really killed the cav tought, that was UGLY

 

Aren't all Cavaliers ****-ugly?

 

the 96-02? wasn't as ugly as all the rest...economy car though, can't ask for too much

 

this is true...my 94 sentra with sr20de-t can hand my RX8's *** anytime in almost any test...except for handling and looks of course....

 

If the numbers for the Cobalt SS are correct, it is faster than the RX8, (1/4 mile trap time and the slalom). Even if they aren't, it's close. I don't know about you but the idea of a little Chevy keeping up with me on the road is bugged out. Now the 8 can take it in the twisties, but I have to say it again. Real world driving is not the track. It's from light to light, it's on the highway, which has little curves. his is a testament to the fact that Mazda shot just a little low in straight line performance with the 8. All it needs is another 15-25 hp stock and no one would be able to argue against it. The fact that it's a sports car that has souped up econoboxes keping up with it hurts it's image. I know it handles the best, but it's gotta put down the numbers too. No one, I mean no one talks down the Z car performance wise. They may say it looks cheap whatever. All subjective points. The fact that the RX8 is dogged on many forums is proof that there is a perceived weakness regarding its performance. I'm not even going to get into the mpg issue. That issue alone is deal breaker for many and truth be told, if the sticker was more truthfull of a real world fuel economy with the 8 I too might've passed on it...NAH

 

Deviated a bit from Cobalt vs RSX but real world driving is also not driving as fast as your car can go from light to light but it's also how you go from point a to point b. If speed is your thing so be it, but there are some qualities that the 8 posseses that other cars (especially those econoboxes) cannot match.

 

http://www.modernracer.com/history/c...uphistory.html

They say 0-60 in over 6 seconds with a quarter mile time just under 15. Assuming they are right, the cobalt isn't even close to an rx8 as far as performance.

 

Most test's I've seen has the RX8 closer to high 6 seconds 0-60 unless you slip the clutch at 7500 rpm's.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=3
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...6/pageId=62005

 

I guess by performance, you guys only care about 0-60 times. Too bad performance refers to a hell of a lot more.

 

If by performance you mean straightline speed the Cobalt SS will pull the RX-8 on the highway and will also give it a run for it's money in the 1/4 mile. The Cobalt SS struggling with traction is the only thing that gives the RX-8 a bit of an adavantage from a dig.

 

Ouch, these FWD sporty cars are becoming scary. First the SRT-4 and now the Cobalt SS can outrun an RX-8 no problem.

 

who cares its 0-60 time and such, it looks like *** and is built like ***, my friend has one, i felt like i was going to break the door when i closed it, and that i was going to snap the shifter when i drove. the rx-8 has class, ss doesn't, end of story

 

Very true, I have no idea why I even care about power because I never even race. The only time I use the power is when I am merging or overtaking or other things like that. But for some reason I still want a turbo kit! Am I broken? :o

 

I will never understand why we keep rehashing this debate. The topic is generally the SRT-4, but sometimes we find a new subject to liven up the debate. After about 10 posts IKEWRX chimes in with his usual comments, and then the debate really starts to get heated. People start taking it personally, sometimes it gets ugly, but it never gets informative. In the end it’s all just a bit irritating.

The facts that drive this debate are set in stone. There are lots of cars that are faster than the RX-8, some of them far cheaper. We don’t really have to test the performance aspect; most of the magazines do that for us, and print it on paper. After that only one question remains, “Does being faster make a car better?” The answer to this question will always lie with the person you’re asking. Ask the same person the questions at two different times in their life and you’re not likely to get the same answer. In the end the rhetoric is unnecessary, no one changes their mind, and nothing gets accomplished.

This forum makes it a sin to discuss street kills, but at the same time allows these debates. Although these debates are driven by the theoretical race, thus removing the taboo of illegality, they still create the hatred and name calling the moderators sought to avoid in banning kills. If someone owning one of these cars were to view these treads they would probably laugh, and think we were a bunch of idiots. Visitors don’t see our other work, because they come, search for their car, and stop there.

 

Agreed, there's always a post comparing every car that comes out to the RX8, Neon SR-T, Civic SI, Saturn Ion Redline, Cobalt SS. These cars are nice fast cars, but I don't think anyone shopping the RX8 is going to be cross shopping these cars. If your buying a RX8, your most likey looking at the 350Z, Infiniti G35, Honda S2000, and maybe Subaru WRX STI, Legacy GT, and BMW 3 Series. Straight line performance is not the end all be all.

 

Who cares what pulls on what on the highway. I would bet that the driving experience is superior in the 8. More refinement, more smoothness, higher rpms, higher fun quotient.

The Cobalt is probably very affordable performance intended for the younger set. Anyone who buys one I say "good for you"... you got a lot of bang for your buck. But to me it's all about the quality of your bang...

 

Agreed, I would probably have more fun driving the RX-8, and I'd most certainly rather own one than a Cobalt SS. However for the right buyer the Cobalt seems to be a very nice car. Every review I've read on it has had very little bad to say about it and I believe in one publication (Motortrend?) it pulled the highest Gs and fastest Slalom of any FWD car they have ever tested. That pretty impressive considering cars like the Celica, Mini, and various Hondas and Acuras are no slouches in the handling department.

It's just the fanbois in these threads that get to me. The ones that refuse to believe another car is faster, or isn't a piece of **** just because it's not an RX-8. The chest puffing around here is hilarious sometimes, I'm still not used to it since these threads on the Subaru boards usually are totally different and far less derogatory to other cars. It can make for some fun debates, I like to mix it up as much as anyone, but it would be nice if more people around here respected other cars for what they are.

 

I understand the concern. Nobody wants to be embarrassed at a stoplight by a hopped up econobox. But I could have bought any of those cheaper boxes but they just don't offer anywhere close to the overal driving experience of the RX8.

Took a drive in the country yesterday looking for some twisties and ended up an hour from home. :D