Corvette ZR1 Beats GTR time at Nurburgring Already!
07-03-2008 | 10:08 AM
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I think the ZR-1 and the GT-R Spec V are head to head competitors, they are both comfortably pulling similar track times right now, It will be interesting to see which one ends up being faster, and the one that is faster should get all the props it deserve.
The regular GT-R and Z06 are more or less direct competitors. the GT-R being faster than the z06 does not mean that the spec V will be faster than the ZR-1
The regular GT-R and Z06 are more or less direct competitors. the GT-R being faster than the z06 does not mean that the spec V will be faster than the ZR-1
07-03-2008 | 11:38 AM
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First, let's start with the obvious.
First, tell us how the differential equations that descibe the behavior of a mass spring system vary between leaf springs and coil springs.
After you're done scratching your head on that one, tell us when did the horse and buggy equipped with leaf springs begin using advanced composite materials in them?
Now, ask yourself another question, why would GM engineers use leaf springs made of such materials when a steel coil spring is far less costly?
Now, that your head is on top your shoulders, why in the hell do you all think coil spings are of some great advantage? Friggen vegas had coil springs, and pintos too (not on the rears).
We'll move on from that if you can come up with just one good answer to the above.
As not always being one who follows his own advice, I'm guessing this too is a waste of time.
You know, the horse and buggy used wheels. The RX8 uses wheels. Using your logic, the RX8 and the horse drawn buggy have a lot in common.
First, tell us how the differential equations that descibe the behavior of a mass spring system vary between leaf springs and coil springs.
After you're done scratching your head on that one, tell us when did the horse and buggy equipped with leaf springs begin using advanced composite materials in them?
Now, ask yourself another question, why would GM engineers use leaf springs made of such materials when a steel coil spring is far less costly?
Now, that your head is on top your shoulders, why in the hell do you all think coil spings are of some great advantage? Friggen vegas had coil springs, and pintos too (not on the rears).
We'll move on from that if you can come up with just one good answer to the above.
As not always being one who follows his own advice, I'm guessing this too is a waste of time.
You know, the horse and buggy used wheels. The RX8 uses wheels. Using your logic, the RX8 and the horse drawn buggy have a lot in common.
Sorry, I was joking. The *ducks* insinuates I'm just instigating. Don't worry, the vette is safe.
07-03-2008 | 11:49 AM
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07-03-2008 | 11:51 AM
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and what number must be produced to be a "production" car? The ZR1 is only going to have 2000 made, under World Rally Car rules that wouldn't even qualify as a "production" car.
07-03-2008 | 12:19 PM
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the FXX isnt street legal, people who buy it are only allowed to drive it at Ferrari track events. the owners cant even drive it home
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07-03-2008 | 03:07 PM
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07-03-2008 | 06:45 PM
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07-03-2008 | 07:31 PM
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Ferrari doesn't own the Nurburgring.... the FXX has been to the Nurburgring before, just not on the Nordschleife. Though if it wasn't the FXX, the Enzo would do the same job and rape the ZR1 time if they sent out a pro driver (hopefully Michael Schumacher) and told him to set the fastest time possible. So I don't know why you're fighting the FXX so hard... if it wasn't that I could bring up dozens of other exotics that will smash the ZR1 time, like the Caparo T1.
07-03-2008 | 08:06 PM
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Ferrari doesn't own the Nurburgring.... the FXX has been to the Nurburgring before, just not on the Nordschleife. Though if it wasn't the FXX, the Enzo would do the same job and rape the ZR1 time if they sent out a pro driver (hopefully Michael Schumacher) and told him to set the fastest time possible. So I don't know why you're fighting the FXX so hard... if it wasn't that I could bring up dozens of other exotics that will smash the ZR1 time, like the Caparo T1.
i never made any statement about whether the fxx or the enzo can beat the zr-1's track time, and I agree with you that they probably can.
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07-04-2008 | 07:30 AM
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BMonkey, take the stupid Ferrari badges off your car man, jeeze.
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mazda-rrari-rx-8/854403/
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mazda-rrari-rx-8/854403/
07-04-2008 | 01:03 PM
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BMonkey, take the stupid Ferrari badges off your car man, jeeze.
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mazda-rrari-rx-8/854403/
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mazda-rrari-rx-8/854403/
how could you do that? Gaw. Jeez.
07-04-2008 | 01:36 PM
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You see what happens when Mom tells him that he's outgrown this:
http://www.vipkids.co.uk/tgt_bw_spor...me_bed-600.htm
Although an Austin friend of mine did see someone driving around in an RX-8 latenight wearing Michael Shumacher pj's.
Mom's not going to be happy if she following up on him reading these boards.
http://www.vipkids.co.uk/tgt_bw_spor...me_bed-600.htm
Although an Austin friend of mine did see someone driving around in an RX-8 latenight wearing Michael Shumacher pj's.
Mom's not going to be happy if she following up on him reading these boards.
07-04-2008 | 01:36 PM
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as much as the vette is sweet "sweet" and no matter how much i hate AWD drivers, id still rather drive the V-spec GTR.
ive been a fan of japanese cars since i was 7 years old. i wouldnt be caught dead in anythingelse.
ive been a fan of japanese cars since i was 7 years old. i wouldnt be caught dead in anythingelse.
07-04-2008 | 10:36 PM
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07-05-2008 | 12:47 AM
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Ive been following the ZR1 VS GTR debat for awhile on other boards now and a couple things worth mentioning are:
A. The GTR's "official" time was done using R compound tires and had the boost cranked up beyond stock levels along with suspension tuning, although stock parts were used it was not "stock"
B. The ZR1 turned in that time being completly showroom stock with the ADDITION of communication and saftey equipment, a strong head wind on the main straight, stock Michelin Pilot tires and one of the engineers as the driver! Not a pro like was piloting the GTR. With a pro behind the wheel I would expect to see at least a 7:20 out of the ZR1.
I expect GM is waiting for the Spec V to turn in its offical time befor they unleash the ZR1 with a pro behind the wheel to really slap Nissan in the face.
So for those of you who are comparing hp I would guess the GTR that Nissan took to the ring to be closer to the 550 mark.
A. The GTR's "official" time was done using R compound tires and had the boost cranked up beyond stock levels along with suspension tuning, although stock parts were used it was not "stock"
B. The ZR1 turned in that time being completly showroom stock with the ADDITION of communication and saftey equipment, a strong head wind on the main straight, stock Michelin Pilot tires and one of the engineers as the driver! Not a pro like was piloting the GTR. With a pro behind the wheel I would expect to see at least a 7:20 out of the ZR1.
I expect GM is waiting for the Spec V to turn in its offical time befor they unleash the ZR1 with a pro behind the wheel to really slap Nissan in the face.
So for those of you who are comparing hp I would guess the GTR that Nissan took to the ring to be closer to the 550 mark.
07-06-2008 | 08:25 PM
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As much as I'm on the side of the corvette (as I think the GTR is overrated garbage) where did you get this information about the boost levels and tires on the GTR's run? According to the stuff I've found it only says it was run on "standard Japanese market tires" and nothing about boost.
07-06-2008 | 08:32 PM
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Hey and I totally respect that,
your very accurate description of the acceleration advantage the z06 has over the GT-R serve to demonstrate to me even more that the Z06 should be faster than the GT-R around tracks but its not... The GT-R certainly did not beat the Z06 by out accelerating it in the straights
The GT-R is not the best sports car out there. The Gallardo has beaten the GT-R on BMI already at Tsukuba. It is however better than the Z06 in my mind and it seems to be the case in all the reviews and comparos so far too. Thats not even a knock against the Z06 because there are are always better and faster cars out there.
your very accurate description of the acceleration advantage the z06 has over the GT-R serve to demonstrate to me even more that the Z06 should be faster than the GT-R around tracks but its not... The GT-R certainly did not beat the Z06 by out accelerating it in the straights
The GT-R is not the best sports car out there. The Gallardo has beaten the GT-R on BMI already at Tsukuba. It is however better than the Z06 in my mind and it seems to be the case in all the reviews and comparos so far too. Thats not even a knock against the Z06 because there are are always better and faster cars out there.
not to mention, GT-R cost how much again? and how much is the Gallardo ?
07-07-2008 | 08:43 AM
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I think you are talking about this BMI video where the GT-R beat the Gallardo SL, and the Murcielago LP640... its Amazing..
The GT-R is clearly being walked on in the long straight by the Murcielago, but it clearly catches up in the corners with superior corner exit. The Exige is totally out classes here lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBKLPIM7_k0
The GT-R is clearly being walked on in the long straight by the Murcielago, but it clearly catches up in the corners with superior corner exit. The Exige is totally out classes here lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBKLPIM7_k0
07-07-2008 | 08:59 AM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=cyesMboupuU
Car and Driver comparison of the Z06, vs Viper ACR, vs Porche GT2 vs GT-R
Car and Driver comparison of the Z06, vs Viper ACR, vs Porche GT2 vs GT-R
07-10-2008 | 04:48 PM
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07-10-2008 | 06:06 PM
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Fake and impossible. Now, if it only had coil springs, different story.
okay, seriously...
THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! Sure the guy guy messed up in a bunch of places, but he gots some big ol' stones and drives 10 times better than I ever will.
DAMN THAT THING FAST!!!! I gotta see what the haters say....
07-10-2008 | 06:51 PM
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^lol. Yep, I'm sure a few seconds could easily have been shaved off and perhaps he could have easily went another 10mph or more faster on the long straight - the car seemed to be fairly stable. An extremely hard track to nail all 170+ corners on a single lap. A wild ride none the less. I would kill to ride shotgun.
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07-10-2008 | 07:31 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o&fmt=18
From the wheel movement and car movements the ZR1 looks to be far more stable and composed than both the Zonda and GTR (low and high speed). I guess thats proof that the much hyped about Magnaride suspension works. This video even looks to be in slow motion as compared to the GTR. Even with the headwind its also interesting to note that the 638hp ZR1 was only able to reach 179mph on the long straight, whereas the 480hp GTR reached 180mph.
I would say that with a better driver *cough* C6R driver *cough* they would have a far better time, at times I feel that Jim Mero was taking some very conservative lines. It's also funny watching him throw his hands up in the air when he does something wrong like taking a very wide line or hitting the limiter.
From the wheel movement and car movements the ZR1 looks to be far more stable and composed than both the Zonda and GTR (low and high speed). I guess thats proof that the much hyped about Magnaride suspension works. This video even looks to be in slow motion as compared to the GTR. Even with the headwind its also interesting to note that the 638hp ZR1 was only able to reach 179mph on the long straight, whereas the 480hp GTR reached 180mph.
At start of straightaway:
ZR1: 6.36
GTR: 6.48 Difference= 12 seconds
To the end of the straight where the bridge crosses
Times:
ZR1: 7.05
GTR: 7.18
Time to run back stretch:
ZR1: 29 seconds (ZR1 reaches near 180mph and holds back)
GTR: 30 seconds
I personally think it is LUDICROUS to think the ZR1 could only put 1 second on the GTR through this contest of flat out acceleration EVEN if the GTR had carried more speed into the straight. Hell, even a "measly" 505HP Z06 has been shown to put atleast that much distance on a GTR from 0-120mph.
It looks like the GTR was doctored with A LOT more boost even if the tires weren't doctored.
ZR1: 6.36
GTR: 6.48 Difference= 12 seconds
To the end of the straight where the bridge crosses
Times:
ZR1: 7.05
GTR: 7.18
Time to run back stretch:
ZR1: 29 seconds (ZR1 reaches near 180mph and holds back)
GTR: 30 seconds
I personally think it is LUDICROUS to think the ZR1 could only put 1 second on the GTR through this contest of flat out acceleration EVEN if the GTR had carried more speed into the straight. Hell, even a "measly" 505HP Z06 has been shown to put atleast that much distance on a GTR from 0-120mph.
It looks like the GTR was doctored with A LOT more boost even if the tires weren't doctored.
I would say that with a better driver *cough* C6R driver *cough* they would have a far better time, at times I feel that Jim Mero was taking some very conservative lines. It's also funny watching him throw his hands up in the air when he does something wrong like taking a very wide line or hitting the limiter.