First Drive Honda Civic Type R_Road and Track
06-15-2017, 05:22 PM
#9
Smoking turbo yay
I think the biggest problem with the Type R is just the way it's styled. It's your typical boy racer car. Some older Honda enthusiasts are not exactly impressed because of this; they like the performance, but they can't imagine themselves in one.
There is a reason why Civic Si, WRX and Lancer didn't trigger my interest when I was buying a MT car. RX-8 is sporty, yet isn't ricey and is actually a nice Grand Tourer.
And Civic Type R will not be exactly cheap, either, especially if you consider the price markup the dealerships will give it because of the limited supply. All just for a Civic. If I have to pick a Honda, I go with an V6/I4T(upcoming) Accord Coupe or wait for the possible S2000 revival. For the same amount of money I pay for a Civic Type R, I'd be able to pick up a nice Challenger.
There is a reason why Civic Si, WRX and Lancer didn't trigger my interest when I was buying a MT car. RX-8 is sporty, yet isn't ricey and is actually a nice Grand Tourer.
And Civic Type R will not be exactly cheap, either, especially if you consider the price markup the dealerships will give it because of the limited supply. All just for a Civic. If I have to pick a Honda, I go with an V6/I4T(upcoming) Accord Coupe or wait for the possible S2000 revival. For the same amount of money I pay for a Civic Type R, I'd be able to pick up a nice Challenger.
06-15-2017, 09:07 PM
#10
Water Foul
I applaud Honda for taking a serious stab at this and succeeding far beyond my humble expectations in performance. Bravo!
But, damn, it's ugly. This is completely vain, but how many people, who can actually afford one, would be seen dead driving around in one? I couldn't do it, and I have driven Hondas and Acuras since 1990 in some form or fashion. If I were in the market for FWD, I'd probably buy a lightly used GTI, do all the common mods for handling and power, and be ahead of the game.
But, damn, it's ugly. This is completely vain, but how many people, who can actually afford one, would be seen dead driving around in one? I couldn't do it, and I have driven Hondas and Acuras since 1990 in some form or fashion. If I were in the market for FWD, I'd probably buy a lightly used GTI, do all the common mods for handling and power, and be ahead of the game.
06-16-2017, 10:17 AM
#11
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^^ Completely agree, its performance is incredible but holy hell it's ugly. Stupidly ugly. Like how could they look at it in a corporate meeting and agree to make it?
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06-16-2017, 10:39 AM
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There is too much **** going on with Honda designs now days. The Honda section at the auto show here was full ot if and every model had gross polished wheels with some sort of glossy black finish on the face like some Niche wheels from 1992.
06-20-2017, 10:06 AM
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40th anniversary Edition
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What is racing what here, and are they both stock, and what of the skills of each driver here ? The video says nothing really without full info.
The Civic's styling sucks but its performance doesn't . You can't fake what it did at Nurburgring with a good driver, as demanding, difficult and dangerous as any track in the world..
The Civic's styling sucks but its performance doesn't . You can't fake what it did at Nurburgring with a good driver, as demanding, difficult and dangerous as any track in the world..
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06-20-2017, 10:15 AM
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That is an EG Civic hatch with an NA K24 so no, not stock in the sense that the engine didn't come in that model year of Civic, but it's still $10,000.00 (maybe less) of Civic beating (well destroying) a $60,000.00 Type R.
Ah, yes, ring times.
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Ah, yes, ring times.
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06-20-2017, 10:16 AM
#17
40th anniversary Edition
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You really believe the Civic R will cost $60,000 ? Get real !
Honda plans to bring this in at around $35,000. Even at $40,000 would be reasonable in today's performance market.
Forget the posted ring time, just watching the lap video shows what the car can do. Anyone who has ever driven a challenging and fast track can easily see that.
There will always be faster, better handling sports car than this Civic R, but I applaud Honda for its effort, and that is from a former owner of a Mazdaspeed3 GT, modified to put down 300hp and over 300 foot/pounds of torque at the wheel. This Civic R is the incarnation of what the next Speed3 GT should have been, with far less torque steer.
Honda plans to bring this in at around $35,000. Even at $40,000 would be reasonable in today's performance market.
Forget the posted ring time, just watching the lap video shows what the car can do. Anyone who has ever driven a challenging and fast track can easily see that.
There will always be faster, better handling sports car than this Civic R, but I applaud Honda for its effort, and that is from a former owner of a Mazdaspeed3 GT, modified to put down 300hp and over 300 foot/pounds of torque at the wheel. This Civic R is the incarnation of what the next Speed3 GT should have been, with far less torque steer.
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06-20-2017, 10:35 AM
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40th anniversary Edition
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No one but a fool will really pay $25,000 over list price. My local Honda dealer won't do it even if other dealers try. Honda doesn't need that bad rep.
9krpmrx8 when you find a fool that actually paid $60,000 for a Civic R, bring him to the forum.
I remember some Mazda dealers charging huge mark ups when the very first RX7 came out. I just shopped around until I found one selling it at list price and bought mine. Dealers will quickly learn if the market will bear this $25,000 mark up and there will be dealers, like my local Honda guy (I have owned four Hondas) that will sell them at list. His reputation as a fair dealer is worth more to him that the extra money he could make gouging his customers over a few limited Civic R sales.
Maybe folks in San Antonio will pay that extra $25,000, but not in New Jersey.
Cheers !
9krpmrx8 when you find a fool that actually paid $60,000 for a Civic R, bring him to the forum.
I remember some Mazda dealers charging huge mark ups when the very first RX7 came out. I just shopped around until I found one selling it at list price and bought mine. Dealers will quickly learn if the market will bear this $25,000 mark up and there will be dealers, like my local Honda guy (I have owned four Hondas) that will sell them at list. His reputation as a fair dealer is worth more to him that the extra money he could make gouging his customers over a few limited Civic R sales.
Maybe folks in San Antonio will pay that extra $25,000, but not in New Jersey.
Cheers !
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06-20-2017, 10:42 AM
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Yes, because you know what your local dealer Honda dealer will do. The first Type R sold in the states sold for $200,000.00
Supply and demand.
http://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-char...a-c-1796181591
Supply and demand.
http://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-char...a-c-1796181591
06-20-2017, 10:52 AM
#21
40th anniversary Edition
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those are idiots with too much money to spend. Anyone who could have afforded a supercar , but spent the same money on a Honda Civic R is one of those idiots with too much money. There will always be them, but the person who follows this forum and has a normal job isnt doing that, so that sale is irrelevant.
Just wait awhile, after the rush of those "have to have it first" idiots with too much money, the market on these will settle down. It really does not help Honda dealers in a competitive market like my greater Philadelphia area to be seen as gougers. Not good for these longterm businesses which depend on price advantage.
The hype and tests on the new RX7 FD were also great and some paid dealer markups in the first few months, then Mazda dropped the list price (yes they did) and dealers started selling them for list price when the sales slowed. That is when I bought my Grand Touring FD for list price from Z&W Mazda in Princeton ,NJ.
You and I can debate this back and forth, but most folks won't pay that markup , or they just won't buy this car until it comes down to earth.
Just wait awhile, after the rush of those "have to have it first" idiots with too much money, the market on these will settle down. It really does not help Honda dealers in a competitive market like my greater Philadelphia area to be seen as gougers. Not good for these longterm businesses which depend on price advantage.
The hype and tests on the new RX7 FD were also great and some paid dealer markups in the first few months, then Mazda dropped the list price (yes they did) and dealers started selling them for list price when the sales slowed. That is when I bought my Grand Touring FD for list price from Z&W Mazda in Princeton ,NJ.
You and I can debate this back and forth, but most folks won't pay that markup , or they just won't buy this car until it comes down to earth.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 06-20-2017 at 11:09 AM.
06-20-2017, 10:57 AM
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06-20-2017, 11:22 AM
#23
40th anniversary Edition
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I agree its ugly, but I would still love driving it for the performance,and other "normal" folks will love it too (even if you will never believe that) , but I am not trading in my Mazdas anytime soon.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 06-20-2017 at 11:27 AM.
06-21-2017, 01:58 AM
#25
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Never felt any desire to own a STI or Focus RS and would never buy any VW after their scamming.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 06-21-2017 at 02:00 AM.