H2 better than RX-8?
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H2 better than RX-8?
Disclaimer: I love my RX-8 and am happy with my gas mileage. This is not a gas mileage thread; I just want to start a discussion.
I hear a lot of SUV bashing on this website and I do not understand it. I own an RX-8 and I love it but I would like everyone to think about this with an open mind. In my 8 I get on average 18mpg and I can fit 3 comfortably ( I am tall and sitting behind the driver seat is basically impossible) If I wanted to get an H2 I could get an average of 14 mpg and I could fit 4 friends and a lot of other stuff in there. I guess the question is do I really always need that room to carry all my friends around for 4 less mpg. But I guess the same question could be asked for the 8, i.e. why don't I get better gas mileage and a faster car and get a WRX (or any car that is faster or handles better for a comparable price) Now I do understand that H2 is way to big to only fit 5 people and a freaking Prius could probably fit 5 people if you really wanted to but my argument is that for 4mpg I don't think a H2, or any SUV for that matter, is much more inefficient than the RX-8.
My thoughts on this were inspired by environmentalist who think that all SUV's are so bad. I wonder if those same environmentalists see an RX-8 and think, "now there is a sensible, efficient car" when in reality it isn't, it is just as guilty as any other gas hog out there. I don't think that environmentalist see internal combustion as the enemy and I think they probably should.
I hear a lot of SUV bashing on this website and I do not understand it. I own an RX-8 and I love it but I would like everyone to think about this with an open mind. In my 8 I get on average 18mpg and I can fit 3 comfortably ( I am tall and sitting behind the driver seat is basically impossible) If I wanted to get an H2 I could get an average of 14 mpg and I could fit 4 friends and a lot of other stuff in there. I guess the question is do I really always need that room to carry all my friends around for 4 less mpg. But I guess the same question could be asked for the 8, i.e. why don't I get better gas mileage and a faster car and get a WRX (or any car that is faster or handles better for a comparable price) Now I do understand that H2 is way to big to only fit 5 people and a freaking Prius could probably fit 5 people if you really wanted to but my argument is that for 4mpg I don't think a H2, or any SUV for that matter, is much more inefficient than the RX-8.
My thoughts on this were inspired by environmentalist who think that all SUV's are so bad. I wonder if those same environmentalists see an RX-8 and think, "now there is a sensible, efficient car" when in reality it isn't, it is just as guilty as any other gas hog out there. I don't think that environmentalist see internal combustion as the enemy and I think they probably should.
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The H2 is very heavy. I haven't driven one, but I do own a 35' long RV, and I imagine the ride being more similar to my RV than my RX-8. If that's any indication, I guess the H2 might work for you if you just want a way to get around rather than enjoying the ride. But if that is the case, there are far more economical ways of doing it.
Also for gas mileage, I did a quick google and found this:
Also for gas mileage, I did a quick google and found this:
By the way gas mileage is bck down to 11.3 avg due to lead foot syndrome..
Gas mileage off Road is around 3.0 mpg, depending on the size of the hill or depth of the hole..
Gas mileage off Road is around 3.0 mpg, depending on the size of the hill or depth of the hole..
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Another:
More:
Finally, this CBS page says "Hummers average 8 to 10 mpg"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in567097.shtml
I've gotten no less than 17.5 mpg in my RX-8 in 100% city driving. The move to an H2 appears to be doubling the gas you'd use. It's not inconsequential especially since the RX-8's mileage is nothing to write home about.
note that they will only give the comparison of the 2wd models, the H2 is reported to avg below 10mpg Quote: the H2 is in the HD 3/4 ton class, so you won't see the EPA test for gas mileage on the window sticker, which would just scare you anyway.
Even though H2 starts just under $50,000, it is the only G.M. vehicle that sells well without huge incentives. But the jaws of some buyers apparently dropped when they filled their 32-gallon gas tanks. They ranked Hummer in last place among 36 brands, reporting 225 problems per 100 Hummers over all, compared with an industry average of 133.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in567097.shtml
I've gotten no less than 17.5 mpg in my RX-8 in 100% city driving. The move to an H2 appears to be doubling the gas you'd use. It's not inconsequential especially since the RX-8's mileage is nothing to write home about.
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omfg, that fuh2 site is full of shot. yeah they get bad gas mileage and theyre on a tahoe frame, EVERYONE already knows that. they buy them because they are big, accomodating, luxurious, adventurous, and frivolous. ppl who have nothing better to do than run around trying to find cars to flip off because they dont understand world politics need to wake UP!
I like the way they look, but I'd rather have an 8 any day, unless that day was off road (even then i might rally the good ole 8 )
I like the way they look, but I'd rather have an 8 any day, unless that day was off road (even then i might rally the good ole 8 )
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My friend has an H2 and he claims the 14mpg, I don't know if he is being truthful. I agree that the space is not used well. The backseat head room is freaking terrible for such a big SUV.
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Originally Posted by JasonHamilton
I don't hate H2's, but what exactly about them do you consider luxurious and big?
It's big on the exterior.... but it doesn't make good use of it.
It's big on the exterior.... but it doesn't make good use of it.
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I doubt any environmentalist would say that the 8 is an efficient car. The difference lies in the fact that as far as cars go, the 8 is an exception. If you consider SUV's in general, they all get shitty gas mileage, and they are not subject to the same emmision standards as cars.
As for the H2, i have never seen a bigger waste of space and money in my life. The rear hatch on that "truck" is a freakin joke, It way too small for something of that size. I cannot think of any redeeming qualities that truck has on road, and therefor no reason for 99% of the people who buy it to hvae done so.
As for the H2, i have never seen a bigger waste of space and money in my life. The rear hatch on that "truck" is a freakin joke, It way too small for something of that size. I cannot think of any redeeming qualities that truck has on road, and therefor no reason for 99% of the people who buy it to hvae done so.
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Actually I don't like H2s at all--for $50K you are paying for its presence and name--the leather is low grade--the interior materials are cheap at best. People that buy H2s buy them for SLAB purposes (SLAB: slow loud and bangin--describes floss appeal) or they like the design. They are limited on utility for the price. Off-road capability is pretty good--but for the money I'd probably mess with a Tahoe/Yukon, Grand Cherokee, or Escalade.
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Hey Zio, an H2 is probably worthless in NJ but not in the west. Maybe you should have a more open mind.
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Originally Posted by Zio
the H2 is a big piece of useless ****, no one needs all that space and no one is going to go off-roading with it.
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H2 offroad (VID)
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why doesn't someone just repost that "H2 pwned by mother nature" video??
CLICK HERE
http://www.fuh2.com/ is also doesn't hide their views on the H2
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Okay, there are many reasons to hate SUVs in general, and the H2 in particular:
* SUVs are dangerous. They are giant, road-blocking, visibility-reducing, rollover boxes that crush smaller vehicles in accidents.
* Because people feel that THEY are safe in SUVs, often people with no driving skill drive them--then buy them for their equally unsafe children.
* 99.99% of SUVs never leave the tarmac, and a scarily simliar percentage of SUVs produced today would be worthless if you ever DID venture off the suburban blacktop. Most Sport Utility Vehicles are worthless for sport, and many don't offer much utility either.
* The fuel economy thing has been flogged to death in this thread, but of course SUVs get horrendous economy, ensuring that all the sorority girls, soccer moms, and insecure executives driving them increase our dependence on foreign oil while hastening the day when there won't be any more of it to burn. Not only that, but with manufacturers flooding the market with mega-gas-guzzling SUVs, fleet economy requirements make it harder for them to produce merely inefficient vehicles (like high-powered sports cars).
* The H1 is a cigar-chomping, weapon-wielding, ***-whooping, no-compromises chunk of cold-forged manhood. The H2 is metrosexuality on wheels. That aluminum fake-diamond-plate rear bumper is a gaudy bauble meant to inspire feelings of ruggedness in those who aren't at all rugged. Those who are actually rugged are driving REAL trucks, and doing so because they actually need to haul or tow things.
Need I continue? The RX-8 is a driver's dream, and while the inaugural version isn't nearly as economical as I'd hoped (where's my 250 hp, 25 city/30 hwy wundermotor?), the rest of the vehicle is amazingly unique, sexy, and--yes--practical. If you're just looking for a hot-looking ride to cruise around in, there's no shortage of good looking luxury cars in the $30-$40k range. Hell, get a Buick Park Avenue! there's more storage space in the trunk of that boat than there is in the H2 . . .
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* SUVs are dangerous. They are giant, road-blocking, visibility-reducing, rollover boxes that crush smaller vehicles in accidents.
* Because people feel that THEY are safe in SUVs, often people with no driving skill drive them--then buy them for their equally unsafe children.
* 99.99% of SUVs never leave the tarmac, and a scarily simliar percentage of SUVs produced today would be worthless if you ever DID venture off the suburban blacktop. Most Sport Utility Vehicles are worthless for sport, and many don't offer much utility either.
* The fuel economy thing has been flogged to death in this thread, but of course SUVs get horrendous economy, ensuring that all the sorority girls, soccer moms, and insecure executives driving them increase our dependence on foreign oil while hastening the day when there won't be any more of it to burn. Not only that, but with manufacturers flooding the market with mega-gas-guzzling SUVs, fleet economy requirements make it harder for them to produce merely inefficient vehicles (like high-powered sports cars).
* The H1 is a cigar-chomping, weapon-wielding, ***-whooping, no-compromises chunk of cold-forged manhood. The H2 is metrosexuality on wheels. That aluminum fake-diamond-plate rear bumper is a gaudy bauble meant to inspire feelings of ruggedness in those who aren't at all rugged. Those who are actually rugged are driving REAL trucks, and doing so because they actually need to haul or tow things.
Need I continue? The RX-8 is a driver's dream, and while the inaugural version isn't nearly as economical as I'd hoped (where's my 250 hp, 25 city/30 hwy wundermotor?), the rest of the vehicle is amazingly unique, sexy, and--yes--practical. If you're just looking for a hot-looking ride to cruise around in, there's no shortage of good looking luxury cars in the $30-$40k range. Hell, get a Buick Park Avenue! there's more storage space in the trunk of that boat than there is in the H2 . . .
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Here's the thing about hard core environmentalists.....they often site fuel efficiency of cars with the wrong emphasis.
Here is what I mean. Let's say you have 2 people. One person has a Honda accord that gets about 30mpg and the other person has a H2 that gets 10mpg. The first person is doing better for our environment because their car is more efficient right? Not necessarily.
What if the honda person has a 60 mile commute every day. 60 miles x 2 ways = 120 miles / 30mpg = 4 gallons of gas used.
What if the H2 person has a 10 mile commute every day. 10 miles x 2 ways = 20 miles / 10mpg = 2 gallons of gas used.
Thus, the H2 in this case is polluting less and using less fuel over time.
The point is, is that mpg efficiency comparisons only matter if you take the driving habits into account (type of driving, mileage, etc). Ultimately it is the amount of resources you use and the amount of pollution you cause that it what's important.
I had concerns about the RX-8 mileage from an environmental point of view. A good friend pointed the above out to me and since I have a 3 mile commute to work, my annual fuel consumption and annual air pollution is far less than most.
Here is what I mean. Let's say you have 2 people. One person has a Honda accord that gets about 30mpg and the other person has a H2 that gets 10mpg. The first person is doing better for our environment because their car is more efficient right? Not necessarily.
What if the honda person has a 60 mile commute every day. 60 miles x 2 ways = 120 miles / 30mpg = 4 gallons of gas used.
What if the H2 person has a 10 mile commute every day. 10 miles x 2 ways = 20 miles / 10mpg = 2 gallons of gas used.
Thus, the H2 in this case is polluting less and using less fuel over time.
The point is, is that mpg efficiency comparisons only matter if you take the driving habits into account (type of driving, mileage, etc). Ultimately it is the amount of resources you use and the amount of pollution you cause that it what's important.
I had concerns about the RX-8 mileage from an environmental point of view. A good friend pointed the above out to me and since I have a 3 mile commute to work, my annual fuel consumption and annual air pollution is far less than most.
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Originally Posted by Aesculapius
Let's say you have 2 people. One person has a Honda accord that gets about 30mpg and the other person has a H2 that gets 10mpg. The first person is doing better for our environment because their car is more efficient right? Not necessarily.
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I own a SUV (03 Z71 Tahoe) and I'll bash it all i want...and continue to as well..i also have to have something to pull trailers and such...On average we get 13-15 MPG and it sucks...i knew it would suck going into it...it's a pain in the *** to park, drive, and I hate the ride...My wife (your typical soccer mom) loves it...feels safe, likes being higher, and has room for our 1 yr old's "stuff"...
I have been trying SO hard to get her to look into swapping it out for a Mazda 6 but she, for some reason, will not part with it...the only valid arguement she has to keep it, is when we have to take the animals somewhere or if something happened we would be able to fit all of them into the back and get them to safety...otherwise...i think it's a death trap to us and others as well, I hate the gas mileage, the only thing i am happy about is it's ability to pull my trailer full of building materials, or horses...
I have been trying SO hard to get her to look into swapping it out for a Mazda 6 but she, for some reason, will not part with it...the only valid arguement she has to keep it, is when we have to take the animals somewhere or if something happened we would be able to fit all of them into the back and get them to safety...otherwise...i think it's a death trap to us and others as well, I hate the gas mileage, the only thing i am happy about is it's ability to pull my trailer full of building materials, or horses...
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Originally Posted by Aesculapius
Here's the thing about hard core environmentalists.....they often site fuel efficiency of cars with the wrong emphasis.
Here is what I mean. Let's say you have 2 people. One person has a Honda accord that gets about 30mpg and the other person has a H2 that gets 10mpg. The first person is doing better for our environment because their car is more efficient right? Not necessarily.
What if the honda person has a 60 mile commute every day. 60 miles x 2 ways = 120 miles / 30mpg = 4 gallons of gas used.
What if the H2 person has a 10 mile commute every day. 10 miles x 2 ways = 20 miles / 10mpg = 2 gallons of gas used.
Thus, the H2 in this case is polluting less and using less fuel over time.
The point is, is that mpg efficiency comparisons only matter if you take the driving habits into account (type of driving, mileage, etc). Ultimately it is the amount of resources you use and the amount of pollution you cause that it what's important.
I had concerns about the RX-8 mileage from an environmental point of view. A good friend pointed the above out to me and since I have a 3 mile commute to work, my annual fuel consumption and annual air pollution is far less than most.
Here is what I mean. Let's say you have 2 people. One person has a Honda accord that gets about 30mpg and the other person has a H2 that gets 10mpg. The first person is doing better for our environment because their car is more efficient right? Not necessarily.
What if the honda person has a 60 mile commute every day. 60 miles x 2 ways = 120 miles / 30mpg = 4 gallons of gas used.
What if the H2 person has a 10 mile commute every day. 10 miles x 2 ways = 20 miles / 10mpg = 2 gallons of gas used.
Thus, the H2 in this case is polluting less and using less fuel over time.
The point is, is that mpg efficiency comparisons only matter if you take the driving habits into account (type of driving, mileage, etc). Ultimately it is the amount of resources you use and the amount of pollution you cause that it what's important.
I had concerns about the RX-8 mileage from an environmental point of view. A good friend pointed the above out to me and since I have a 3 mile commute to work, my annual fuel consumption and annual air pollution is far less than most.