Honda S2000 Displacement Upgrade
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Honda S2000 Displacement Upgrade
Rumors for the latest C/D issue are pointing toward that S2000 getting a displacement lift, but at the same time taking away from sports car heritage. I Quote.
"Will Honda soften the temperament of the purest sports car sold in America? Official S2000 detail won't be released until the Tokyo show this month, but our spies suggest yes: more displacement (2.2 versus 2.0 L), a little more torque, a little more elbowroom, a modest face life, lower revs , softened suspension ."
Argh this get a little on my nerves, every one is jumping ship and swimming over to the Z boat. Guess Horsepower is all that is important to the American public . I mean is it that much cooler that it's a Foreign Muscle car?
"Will Honda soften the temperament of the purest sports car sold in America? Official S2000 detail won't be released until the Tokyo show this month, but our spies suggest yes: more displacement (2.2 versus 2.0 L), a little more torque, a little more elbowroom, a modest face life, lower revs , softened suspension ."
Argh this get a little on my nerves, every one is jumping ship and swimming over to the Z boat. Guess Horsepower is all that is important to the American public . I mean is it that much cooler that it's a Foreign Muscle car?
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wow, thats kind of a bummer...
they should keep it hurtfully stiff, overly snug, and highly revved
ah well, gotta appeal to the masses at some point or another
now, what would be CHILL is a renesis powered, purely sport (almost...), miata...
WITH SOME HUGEASS BREAKS!
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they should keep it hurtfully stiff, overly snug, and highly revved
ah well, gotta appeal to the masses at some point or another
now, what would be CHILL is a renesis powered, purely sport (almost...), miata...
WITH SOME HUGEASS BREAKS!
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Ship Sale
Last edited by P00Man; 04-16-2011 at 07:58 PM.
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what am I missing with ride quality? It just doesn't seem to matter (to me) next to grip and preventing body roll ... why are so many sportscars being "sanitized" now (even RX-7 ==> RX-8). Don't get me wrong, the RX-8 is great, but I would really like to see another car like the FD come around with such incredible performance for the price. I hope they don't shy away from FD-style performance for the new millenium in the 4th gen ... but I guess that's just me Heck, stiffer suspension is even *safer* because if the car has better handling, it's easier to dodge an accident ...
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Originally posted by vipeRX7
what am I missing with ride quality? It just doesn't seem to matter (to me) next to grip and preventing body roll ... why are so many sportscars being "sanitized" now (even RX-7 ==> RX-8). Don't get me wrong, the RX-8 is great, but I would really like to see another car like the FD come around with such incredible performance for the price. I hope they don't shy away from FD-style performance for the new millenium in the 4th gen ... but I guess that's just me Heck, stiffer suspension is even *safer* because if the car has better handling, it's easier to dodge an accident ...
what am I missing with ride quality? It just doesn't seem to matter (to me) next to grip and preventing body roll ... why are so many sportscars being "sanitized" now (even RX-7 ==> RX-8). Don't get me wrong, the RX-8 is great, but I would really like to see another car like the FD come around with such incredible performance for the price. I hope they don't shy away from FD-style performance for the new millenium in the 4th gen ... but I guess that's just me Heck, stiffer suspension is even *safer* because if the car has better handling, it's easier to dodge an accident ...
i also am very disappointed with recent trends in the automotive industry, people buy sports cars for their daily drivers and complain, because the ac isn't the best in the world, or ride's too stiff, and other bullshit that SHOULDN'T matter on a sports car, but people buy them because it's cool to have a sports car, not because they love motorsports (such as track days and auto-x's)
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Re: Honda S2000 Displacement Upgrade
Originally posted by PoLaK
Rumors for the latest C/D issue are pointing toward that S2000 getting a displacement lift, but at the same time taking away from sports car heritage. I Quote.
"Will Honda soften the temperament of the purest sports car sold in America? Official S2000 detail won't be released until the Tokyo show this month, but our spies suggest yes: more displacement (2.2 versus 2.0 L), a little more torque, a little more elbowroom, a modest face life, lower revs , softened suspension ."
Argh this get a little on my nerves, every one is jumping ship and swimming over to the Z boat. Guess Horsepower is all that is important to the American public . I mean is it that much cooler that it's a Foreign Muscle car?
Rumors for the latest C/D issue are pointing toward that S2000 getting a displacement lift, but at the same time taking away from sports car heritage. I Quote.
"Will Honda soften the temperament of the purest sports car sold in America? Official S2000 detail won't be released until the Tokyo show this month, but our spies suggest yes: more displacement (2.2 versus 2.0 L), a little more torque, a little more elbowroom, a modest face life, lower revs , softened suspension ."
Argh this get a little on my nerves, every one is jumping ship and swimming over to the Z boat. Guess Horsepower is all that is important to the American public . I mean is it that much cooler that it's a Foreign Muscle car?
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I think if everyone was jumping over to the Z boat, they'd buy a Z and not an S2200 Not to mention 'softening up the suspension' isn't really the Z mantra.
Do you really think these changes are going to alter the DNA of the stook that much? They could help out sales for those people that are on the fence and can't afford $32k for a secondary 'weekend fun car', and moreso want the thrills but a little more daily-driver comfort.
It's still going to rev higher than almost all piston engines from the factory, still going to handle well, and still going to have the same spirit, I think.
Do you really think these changes are going to alter the DNA of the stook that much? They could help out sales for those people that are on the fence and can't afford $32k for a secondary 'weekend fun car', and moreso want the thrills but a little more daily-driver comfort.
It's still going to rev higher than almost all piston engines from the factory, still going to handle well, and still going to have the same spirit, I think.
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Nothing is set in stone, its probably a good idea to save the "less sporty" talk about the '04 s2k for its actual release. Honda hasnt officialy said very much about the "freshen" up the car will recieve.
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That all may be true, Blizz, but why should the car take a step backwards in its sporting nature?
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Originally posted by The Beav
i also am very disappointed with recent trends in the automotive industry, people buy sports cars for their daily drivers and complain, because the ac isn't the best in the world, or ride's too stiff, and other bullshit that SHOULDN'T matter on a sports car, but people buy them because it's cool to have a sports car, not because they love motorsports (such as track days and auto-x's)
i also am very disappointed with recent trends in the automotive industry, people buy sports cars for their daily drivers and complain, because the ac isn't the best in the world, or ride's too stiff, and other bullshit that SHOULDN'T matter on a sports car, but people buy them because it's cool to have a sports car, not because they love motorsports (such as track days and auto-x's)
What percentage of S2000 owners, 350Z owners, or even Corvette, Viper, or NSX owners ever take their car to the track? I'd bet it's amazingly small. It only makes sense to tailor the vehicles towards the average buyers and not the enthusiasts, since the former outnumber the latter.
Once you get into the exotic cars, where the buyers are either enthusiasts of the highest order or just idiots paying a fortune for the nameplate prestige, it is smart to make no compromises.
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I think the changes will be a good thing. First, one poster is correct in that the S2k did have it's suspension softened for 2001 (I think) and noone seems to mind. And anyway, all the hardcore autocross and track guys I know ditched the stock suspension for something else anyway. So it didn't matter what the stock suspension felt like to them. And if the car loses 1k rpm for the sake of more meat in the middle, then I say who cares. It's not like 8k rpms is very low. Some people cry about having a high rev range, but what if the rev range was 12k and the torque was rated a 120ft/lbs. Would that be good too? And hopefully the car will come with iVTEC in a newer K series engine. The RSX-S guys are getting really good N/A gains with their relatively cheap engine mods as opposed to the very little gains that can be gained with the current S2k F series engine with ven more expensive mods. The car is evolving, and of course like any new car, some current owners will talk smack about any new changes (just look in the S2k forums) and how their car was and will be better. But unless Honda does what Mitsu did to the Eclipse, I think it will be for the better.
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Originally posted by StretchSJE
Fear not, the Lotus Elise is coming to the US with a Toyota powerplant as (hopefully) the next great sports car.
Fear not, the Lotus Elise is coming to the US with a Toyota powerplant as (hopefully) the next great sports car.
oh yeah the american elise is gonna be 35k
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Originally posted by ZoomZoomH
the new engine IS a long-stroked version of the current F20C 2.0
it's NOT a K series.
the new engine IS a long-stroked version of the current F20C 2.0
it's NOT a K series.
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Its official. Its an F-series with a longer stroke. Time will tell if Honda left the rating at 240 hp to avoid pissing off current owners, or if the new engine really does make the same power as the current 2.0 liter.
On the Elise - I want one, but I'd be the first to sell the motor back to Toyota and buy a K-series w/install kit from Prototype Racing. Mmm, 230 whp in a 1700 lbs package.
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On the Elise - I want one, but I'd be the first to sell the motor back to Toyota and buy a K-series w/install kit from Prototype Racing. Mmm, 230 whp in a 1700 lbs package.
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