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Ban shazam, delete his posts and then let the adults talk some more. I don't believe a word he's said.
Ike...you could probably get a better trade-in value on the WRX at a Subaru dealership. The extra $500-$2,000 might offset the higher cost of the STi. Just an idea.
There's a monster thread on the evoM forums about the clutch issues. Once you get to about page 3 or 4 of the thread you start to see a pattern: the guys complaining the loudest have signatures boasting 350+awhp and low 12 second quarter mile times. I know a lot of local Evo guys up here in NorCal...in fact some of the biggest Evo tuners are up here: Vishnu, WORKS, Grouppe-S, etc...but all of these guys have said the clutch issue is blown out of proportion. A lot of these guys that curse Mitsubishi's warranty support are tracking their cars. Mitsubishi is not your pit crew. You have to pay to play. Plenty of the local guys are seeing 300awhp with zero problems...well other than having to replace the factory Advans at 10k miles. Those things are sticky but they don't last. Like most new cars though, the Evo will be reliable as long as you take care of it. I think you have nothing to lose if the payments are less. The Evo VIII is a much quicker, nimbler, funner car to drive than a WRX. And I say that with the utmost respect for the WRX...I was extremely close to buying one myself in early '02...it's just a testament to how well the Evo performs. It's nothing short of amazing.
Ike...you could probably get a better trade-in value on the WRX at a Subaru dealership. The extra $500-$2,000 might offset the higher cost of the STi. Just an idea.
There's a monster thread on the evoM forums about the clutch issues. Once you get to about page 3 or 4 of the thread you start to see a pattern: the guys complaining the loudest have signatures boasting 350+awhp and low 12 second quarter mile times. I know a lot of local Evo guys up here in NorCal...in fact some of the biggest Evo tuners are up here: Vishnu, WORKS, Grouppe-S, etc...but all of these guys have said the clutch issue is blown out of proportion. A lot of these guys that curse Mitsubishi's warranty support are tracking their cars. Mitsubishi is not your pit crew. You have to pay to play. Plenty of the local guys are seeing 300awhp with zero problems...well other than having to replace the factory Advans at 10k miles. Those things are sticky but they don't last. Like most new cars though, the Evo will be reliable as long as you take care of it. I think you have nothing to lose if the payments are less. The Evo VIII is a much quicker, nimbler, funner car to drive than a WRX. And I say that with the utmost respect for the WRX...I was extremely close to buying one myself in early '02...it's just a testament to how well the Evo performs. It's nothing short of amazing.
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Interesting thread diversion... anyhoo- my vote would be the 05 STi. I loved the '04 I spent some time with, and the '05 looks substantially better (more power, better AWD system). I would love to add the new STi to my garage, but I wouldn't consider the Evo for 2 seconds... too many problems and warranty nightmares... just my $.02
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Not really concerned about a ban. But I find it ironic that you are fine with the WRX guy that takes every opportunity to rag on this sites car.
Anyway, come out and meet me at any of the Laguna Seca events on the calander below. I track a purple M coupe with a white rollcage. Come out and say Hi. If you would like, I can bring the various titles related to my cars, or even a credit report if you want to see my 801 fica score. Geez bud, some people are just better then others and I happen to be one of them.
Believe me or not, but probably the only thing you think about me thats correct is that I'm an *******.
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[QUOTE=Steiner]Ban shazam, delete his posts and then let the adults talk some more. I don't believe a word he's said.
Anyway, come out and meet me at any of the Laguna Seca events on the calander below. I track a purple M coupe with a white rollcage. Come out and say Hi. If you would like, I can bring the various titles related to my cars, or even a credit report if you want to see my 801 fica score. Geez bud, some people are just better then others and I happen to be one of them.
Believe me or not, but probably the only thing you think about me thats correct is that I'm an *******.
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[QUOTE=Steiner]Ban shazam, delete his posts and then let the adults talk some more. I don't believe a word he's said.
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Believe me or not, but probably the only thing you think about me thats correct is that I'm an *******.
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Shazam what do you do for a living " dont say your a writer" get it shaq's best movie SHAZAAM!
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Originally Posted by shazam
My wife sure did have one. She loved it. The quality of the car, lack of rattleing, thickness of panels, panel gap, quality, carpet material, plastic grade, leather quality were top notch. The big problem with the car was the legacy suspension geometry that made it handle poorly (golf platform). which was not a concern of my wife. But, this is in no way a cheap car qualit wise. Clearly the Evo and WRX run in fear when a can opener is near by. No matter how fast they are, they are just recycled Kirin cans.
Cars are about compromises. But, you should never just give up on quality. It really defines who you are. A lower class punk that is willing to sit in a trash can to harrass people on the road by street racing.
Cars are about compromises. But, you should never just give up on quality. It really defines who you are. A lower class punk that is willing to sit in a trash can to harrass people on the road by street racing.
Ah, get off your high horse, you pompous dash stroker. Not everyone cares how softly their dashboard sits there. Not everyone cares about the badge on the car. Some people don't care about how people view them based on their car badge. Now, I know you are new to this kind of thinking, but strangely, a ton of people feel this way.
I'd rather have a more fun car, than one whose panel gaps are 1/4" less.
I sure hope you don't call yourself a car enthusiast.
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If shazam represents the aristocracy I'm selling my home and moving into a trailer park today. I could never have that kind of ego no matter who I am or how much money I make.
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Originally Posted by G8rboy
Interesting thread diversion... anyhoo- my vote would be the 05 STi. I loved the '04 I spent some time with, and the '05 looks substantially better (more power, better AWD system). I would love to add the new STi to my garage, but I wouldn't consider the Evo for 2 seconds... too many problems and warranty nightmares... just my $.02
Looks wise they have a new centerconsole and interior accents are different and a small fenderflare in the back with the rear bumber slightly changed to accomodate that.
Thanks for all the advice guys, posting this same dilema on a WRX or Evo board would have been pointless, so I really value all of your input. Well... all but one of you...
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Ike...here are all the changes on the '05 STi...
new Helical Front limited slip differential
new power steering oil cooler
new steering wheel
new wider 8" wheel (replaces 7.5") with dual opposed STi logos
new rear wheel arch flares, body colored (because the new 8" whl?)
new Immobilizer key, 3 supplied. Needed to start car
new climate control
new air filtration
new smoked headlight lens
new re-designed keyless remote fob
new seat cushion side bolster material
new center console cupholders, replaces the one by the center vent
new sam/fm/CD changer w/ bass, mid, treble adjustments, 6 spkrs
new door armrest redesigned, now cloth, includes mirror controls
new colors
new rear cup holders added
new yaw-rate sensor
new power-steering oil cooler
new beefier wheel hubs
new aluminum lateral links
new passenger side seat heater (available only on the Canadian model)
slightly larger front sway bar (20mm compared to 19mm)
new Helical Front limited slip differential
new power steering oil cooler
new steering wheel
new wider 8" wheel (replaces 7.5") with dual opposed STi logos
new rear wheel arch flares, body colored (because the new 8" whl?)
new Immobilizer key, 3 supplied. Needed to start car
new climate control
new air filtration
new smoked headlight lens
new re-designed keyless remote fob
new seat cushion side bolster material
new center console cupholders, replaces the one by the center vent
new sam/fm/CD changer w/ bass, mid, treble adjustments, 6 spkrs
new door armrest redesigned, now cloth, includes mirror controls
new colors
new rear cup holders added
new yaw-rate sensor
new power-steering oil cooler
new beefier wheel hubs
new aluminum lateral links
new passenger side seat heater (available only on the Canadian model)
slightly larger front sway bar (20mm compared to 19mm)
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Originally Posted by G8rboy
When did they bump the power up to 300hp/300ftlb? I thought it was new for '05 as well?
Not positive, but I think 2004's had 300hp and 300 ft/lb. Hopefully someone will chime in with a more definitive answer.
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Horsepower and torque were unchanged. However the pinging problem that plagued many STi owners in the land of 91 Octane (CA) and neccesitated a TSB for an ECU reflash was fixed from the factory on the '05 models.
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Originally Posted by Steiner
Ike...here are all the changes on the '05 STi...
new Helical Front limited slip differential
new power steering oil cooler
new steering wheel
new wider 8" wheel (replaces 7.5") with dual opposed STi logos
new rear wheel arch flares, body colored (because the new 8" whl?)
new Immobilizer key, 3 supplied. Needed to start car
new climate control
new air filtration
new smoked headlight lens
new re-designed keyless remote fob
new seat cushion side bolster material
new center console cupholders, replaces the one by the center vent
new sam/fm/CD changer w/ bass, mid, treble adjustments, 6 spkrs
new door armrest redesigned, now cloth, includes mirror controls
new colors
new rear cup holders added
new yaw-rate sensor
new power-steering oil cooler
new beefier wheel hubs
new aluminum lateral links
new passenger side seat heater (available only on the Canadian model)
slightly larger front sway bar (20mm compared to 19mm)
new Helical Front limited slip differential
new power steering oil cooler
new steering wheel
new wider 8" wheel (replaces 7.5") with dual opposed STi logos
new rear wheel arch flares, body colored (because the new 8" whl?)
new Immobilizer key, 3 supplied. Needed to start car
new climate control
new air filtration
new smoked headlight lens
new re-designed keyless remote fob
new seat cushion side bolster material
new center console cupholders, replaces the one by the center vent
new sam/fm/CD changer w/ bass, mid, treble adjustments, 6 spkrs
new door armrest redesigned, now cloth, includes mirror controls
new colors
new rear cup holders added
new yaw-rate sensor
new power-steering oil cooler
new beefier wheel hubs
new aluminum lateral links
new passenger side seat heater (available only on the Canadian model)
slightly larger front sway bar (20mm compared to 19mm)
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Originally Posted by MrH
Not positive, but I think 2004's had 300hp and 300 ft/lb. Hopefully someone will chime in with a more definitive answer.
That means I could look for a slightly used '04STi ... excellent.
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IkeWRX...come on, join us....
Get a used RX-8 with low miles and then stick a Turbo on it....lol, you know you have been waiting for a Turbo/SC RX-8 anyway...lol
You love your WRX so why change things? Just keep the WRX and mod it to HP HEAVEN, don't waste money when you already loved your WRX.
Consider the Turbo/SC RX-8...it's so much MO pretty than the WRX...lol...
Get a used RX-8 with low miles and then stick a Turbo on it....lol, you know you have been waiting for a Turbo/SC RX-8 anyway...lol
You love your WRX so why change things? Just keep the WRX and mod it to HP HEAVEN, don't waste money when you already loved your WRX.
Consider the Turbo/SC RX-8...it's so much MO pretty than the WRX...lol...
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I researched the heck outa the clutch issue (and others) back when I was debating between the 8 and Evo. I read every forum post, and corresponded with many of the owners.
In the end, there was no consistent conclusion. Some people claim they babied it and it failed within a few thousand miles; others say the beat the crap outa it and it's still going strong at 20,000. Go figure.
Premature failure should of course be covered by Mitsu... but they can always argue it was "abused," and apparently have.
I figure you have to accept the risk of replacing it every 5-10,000 miles. You may not need to, but is it an acceptable risk? Can/will you afford the worst-case scenario?
That issue, along with the poor safety ratings, eventually turned me against it.
But I still love it
In the end, there was no consistent conclusion. Some people claim they babied it and it failed within a few thousand miles; others say the beat the crap outa it and it's still going strong at 20,000. Go figure.
Premature failure should of course be covered by Mitsu... but they can always argue it was "abused," and apparently have.
I figure you have to accept the risk of replacing it every 5-10,000 miles. You may not need to, but is it an acceptable risk? Can/will you afford the worst-case scenario?
That issue, along with the poor safety ratings, eventually turned me against it.
But I still love it
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
IkeWRX...come on, join us....
Get a used RX-8 with low miles and then stick a Turbo on it....lol, you know you have been waiting for a Turbo/SC RX-8 anyway...lol
You love your WRX so why change things? Just keep the WRX and mod it to HP HEAVEN, don't waste money when you already loved your WRX.
Consider the Turbo/SC RX-8...it's so much MO pretty than the WRX...lol...
Get a used RX-8 with low miles and then stick a Turbo on it....lol, you know you have been waiting for a Turbo/SC RX-8 anyway...lol
You love your WRX so why change things? Just keep the WRX and mod it to HP HEAVEN, don't waste money when you already loved your WRX.
Consider the Turbo/SC RX-8...it's so much MO pretty than the WRX...lol...