If Mazda...would you...?
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If Mazda offered to trade your RX-8 for an RS-8 would you do it?
...what if you had to pay for the "upgrade"?
...what if it meant getting a brand new 2010 car for you 2004?
...what if you had to pay for the "upgrade"?
...what if it meant getting a brand new 2010 car for you 2004?
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I thought....he ment what if Mazda said:
Give us your RX-8 (rotary) and we will give you a RS-8 (Piston engine) type sports car. I forgot the RS-8 was actually the focus...
But, my answer is no...the focus aint pretty enough...lol
Give us your RX-8 (rotary) and we will give you a RS-8 (Piston engine) type sports car. I forgot the RS-8 was actually the focus...
But, my answer is no...the focus aint pretty enough...lol
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I watch a video highlight on the BMW hydrogen race car that is currently setting records.
Apparently hydrogen is a much safer fuel then gasoline. They guy on there said something like, 'Getting hydrogen approved by today's standards is much easier than it would be to get gasoline approved by today's standards.'
Apparently hydrogen is a much safer fuel then gasoline. They guy on there said something like, 'Getting hydrogen approved by today's standards is much easier than it would be to get gasoline approved by today's standards.'
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I don't know about that hydrogen RX-8. It seems an electric hybrid would be the better way to go. You would think you could generate some electricity by the spinning rotors. I wonder if Mazda has looked into this at all. There is no way hydrogen will be feasible, even by 2010.
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It's just too expensive right now.
If only enough people would jump on the project, maybe they could invent something to make hydrogen cheaper.
Because in ways of making the engine, i don't think that would be a problem for mazda.
I thought they already had such a project underway
If only enough people would jump on the project, maybe they could invent something to make hydrogen cheaper.
Because in ways of making the engine, i don't think that would be a problem for mazda.
I thought they already had such a project underway
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Do you guys know where we get hydrogen from? Cracking hydrocarbons - i.e., directly from oil. The power density of liquid hydrogen is 1/2 to 1/3 (cant remember at moment) that of gasoline. It takes 2-3 times the weight of hydrogen to take you as many miles as gas. Hydrogen simply doesn't make sense. Yes, it can be made to work, but until we have storage materials which can store hydrogen at 3x the density of Liquid hydrogen, it's not even close to practical.
Then, we have to have a way to get hydrogen without using oil. For that, we need efficient solar power - so invest in solar and lobby your congressmen =)
Then, we have to have a way to get hydrogen without using oil. For that, we need efficient solar power - so invest in solar and lobby your congressmen =)
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Originally Posted by tantal
Do you guys know where we get hydrogen from? Cracking hydrocarbons - i.e., directly from oil.
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Originally Posted by greenslinky
ok let me clarify here...rs-8 as in the rx-8 with the hydrogen engine, not a stupid focus sheesh guys come on.
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Ohhhh....
What would be the spec's on this car? I don't care about saving gas (too much) if I have to sacrifice my sports car soul to attain those savings.
What would be the spec's on this car? I don't care about saving gas (too much) if I have to sacrifice my sports car soul to attain those savings.
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Originally Posted by Glyphon
try again. hydrogen is obtained from natural gas. ![Wink](https://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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"Primary energy production presently means hydrogen production from fossil fuels via natural gas reforming as well as the partial oxidation of heavy fuel oil (or Diesel) and coal."
See: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogena...ogy_areas.html
for an extensive list of hydrogen sources.
Sure, maybe most commercial hydrogen production comes from reformed natural gas, but that doesn't mean it can't be done with other hydrocarbons - natural gas just may be the cheapest (at the moment!) Did you forget about water, which is 33% hydrogen on the atomic level? Hydrogen can be extracted from water in many different ways, including by electrolysis or reaction with zinc or other catalytic metals. The previous poster's statement was not incorrect. Natural gas is, surprise! a hydrocarbon. Next time you try to correct someone, make sure you're not making yourself look even worse.
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Originally Posted by draco067
Try again, yourself. Hydrogen production isn't limited to natural gas.
"Primary energy production presently means hydrogen production from fossil fuels via natural gas reforming as well as the partial oxidation of heavy fuel oil (or Diesel) and coal."
See: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogena...ogy_areas.html
for an extensive list of hydrogen sources.
Sure, maybe most commercial hydrogen production comes from reformed natural gas, but that doesn't mean it can't be done with other hydrocarbons - natural gas just may be the cheapest (at the moment!) Did you forget about water, which is 33% hydrogen on the atomic level? Hydrogen can be extracted from water in many different ways, including by electrolysis or reaction with zinc or other catalytic metals. The previous poster's statement was not incorrect. Natural gas is, surprise! a hydrocarbon. Next time you try to correct someone, make sure you're not making yourself look even worse.
"Primary energy production presently means hydrogen production from fossil fuels via natural gas reforming as well as the partial oxidation of heavy fuel oil (or Diesel) and coal."
See: http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogena...ogy_areas.html
for an extensive list of hydrogen sources.
Sure, maybe most commercial hydrogen production comes from reformed natural gas, but that doesn't mean it can't be done with other hydrocarbons - natural gas just may be the cheapest (at the moment!) Did you forget about water, which is 33% hydrogen on the atomic level? Hydrogen can be extracted from water in many different ways, including by electrolysis or reaction with zinc or other catalytic metals. The previous poster's statement was not incorrect. Natural gas is, surprise! a hydrocarbon. Next time you try to correct someone, make sure you're not making yourself look even worse.
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Originally Posted by babylou
Originally you stated that hydrogen comes from oil.
Isn't the point of hydrogen production (beyond industrial uses) to move away from fossil fuels? This is what is driving research in all of these other production areas (as listed on the DOE site I posted before). As such, although natural gas may be our primary (not SOLE) source of industrial hydrogen today, it is not a viable source for realizing independence from foreign fuel - in 2003, the US imported almost 4 million cubic feet of natural gas, while exporting only 700,000 cubic feet.
All I'm saying is that a blanket statement of "hydrogen comes from natural gas," while true for 90% (95%? 99%?) of industrial hydrogen, is only partially accurate and leaves out many other sources, most notably electrolysis of water.
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ok so one, there is the idea of making a closed circuit engine with water, but most people think thats a hoax because no one has offered to show their creation yet...
and two, one of the major contributions to the hindenburg was the fact that the stupid thing was painted with rocket fuel-based paint. Granted, the hydrogen didnt help, but there would have been a significantly smaller chance of disaster had that not been the case. not really sure whose bright idea it was to use a highly volitile substance surrounded by a highly flammable shell...dumb ***!
and two, one of the major contributions to the hindenburg was the fact that the stupid thing was painted with rocket fuel-based paint. Granted, the hydrogen didnt help, but there would have been a significantly smaller chance of disaster had that not been the case. not really sure whose bright idea it was to use a highly volitile substance surrounded by a highly flammable shell...dumb ***!
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no 10-15000psi tank for me, thanks. I worry about getting creamed by SUVs enough as it is.
edit: check out Bob Lazar's Project on United Nuclear. he's almost ready to go with it. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm
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Originally Posted by tantal
Do you guys know where we get hydrogen from? Cracking hydrocarbons - i.e., directly from oil. The power density of liquid hydrogen is 1/2 to 1/3 (cant remember at moment) that of gasoline. It takes 2-3 times the weight of hydrogen to take you as many miles as gas. Hydrogen simply doesn't make sense. Yes, it can be made to work, but until we have storage materials which can store hydrogen at 3x the density of Liquid hydrogen, it's not even close to practical.
Then, we have to have a way to get hydrogen without using oil. For that, we need efficient solar power - so invest in solar and lobby your congressmen =)
Then, we have to have a way to get hydrogen without using oil. For that, we need efficient solar power - so invest in solar and lobby your congressmen =)
edit: and hydrazine can hold 1000 times it wieght in hydrogen as a solid. it's what the space shuttle uses for manuvering thrusters. it works well the main problem is that is cannon touch nitrogen or it bonds to it and becomes useless that is it VERY expensive right now, but under mass production it'd get relatively cheap.. you pump hydrogen into hyrdrazine pellts under pressure it soak up the hydrogen like a sponge. to get the hydrogen back out you just heat the hydrazine up and it releases the hydrogen.
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Originally Posted by draco067
Where? Last I checked, the post you are quoting was my first in this thread.
Isn't the point of hydrogen production (beyond industrial uses) to move away from fossil fuels? This is what is driving research in all of these other production areas (as listed on the DOE site I posted before). As such, although natural gas may be our primary (not SOLE) source of industrial hydrogen today, it is not a viable source for realizing independence from foreign fuel - in 2003, the US imported almost 4 million cubic feet of natural gas, while exporting only 700,000 cubic feet.
All I'm saying is that a blanket statement of "hydrogen comes from natural gas," while true for 90% (95%? 99%?) of industrial hydrogen, is only partially accurate and leaves out many other sources, most notably electrolysis of water.
Isn't the point of hydrogen production (beyond industrial uses) to move away from fossil fuels? This is what is driving research in all of these other production areas (as listed on the DOE site I posted before). As such, although natural gas may be our primary (not SOLE) source of industrial hydrogen today, it is not a viable source for realizing independence from foreign fuel - in 2003, the US imported almost 4 million cubic feet of natural gas, while exporting only 700,000 cubic feet.
All I'm saying is that a blanket statement of "hydrogen comes from natural gas," while true for 90% (95%? 99%?) of industrial hydrogen, is only partially accurate and leaves out many other sources, most notably electrolysis of water.
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