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Old 01-13-2009 | 04:01 PM
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Lincoln C Concept

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...ook/index.html

I like the overall shape and glass roof. I wonder if others will see what i see in the article.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a.../photo_04.html

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a.../photo_02.html

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a.../photo_06.html

USA today has a video of the preparation of this car

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...uto-show_N.htm

which includes designer Freeman Thomas being identified as J Mays, who can actually be seen just after "14 days to go" in the vid standing with Thomas chatting with the Aria president. Actually Mays and the Aria guy can be seen behind Thomas as Tomas is mis-identified
Old 01-13-2009 | 04:25 PM
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Glass roof? I don't know, I'd be worried about some punk chucking a cement block at it and now I have no roof, and have to pay a crap ton of money to fix that.

Otherwise, not a bad looking car! I like the steering wheel especially.
Old 01-13-2009 | 04:43 PM
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Front end is hideous, they have to stop giving every car the front of a Navigator. They've fallen into the same trap as Pontiac, who makes every single car look like some cheap old 80's Grand Am....
Old 01-13-2009 | 05:08 PM
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see i love the front. and the glass roof. Pitz (and ive pointed this out numerous times to others) there are already quite allot of cars with a "Panoramic Vista Roof" as Ford calls it. even that Scion TC has it. Hell you can get it on the Mustang. Mercedes and other European brands as well.
Old 01-13-2009 | 05:23 PM
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It's the American Renault Avantime!

It seriously has a lot of features that the Avantime offers, including the huge opening roof and the huge side windows. Lincoln is late to the game.


Old 01-13-2009 | 05:40 PM
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If it werent for the horribly designed front facia it isnt too bad,,, the front fenders even have hints of the new 3, and 6...
Old 01-13-2009 | 05:46 PM
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that is just ugly
Old 01-13-2009 | 05:54 PM
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if they keep the doors, the hud, and the roof, i think it would make a pretty cool car.
Old 01-13-2009 | 06:23 PM
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hmmm...looks like they ripped off the smart idle start/stop system from Mazda. I guess that was a good bye break-up gift to Ford.
Old 01-13-2009 | 06:27 PM
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yes exactly!!!- Ford was not using that spray in the combustion chamber system!!! they were using the starter motor system. Now with this concept they have switched to Mazda's SISS !!!I hope they have to PAY Mazda for the use now that they have sold off their control!!
Old 01-14-2009 | 08:34 AM
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Ford should just close the Lincoln division down, there hay days was in the '40's,
'50's and possibly '60's. Unless Lincoln does a turn around like Caddy and re make there image , there doomed!

All there cars are B-O-R-I-N-G! Even old people are looking else where for there point A to B transportation beacuse of Lincolns lack luster models.NOW THAT IS SAD!

That concept car is meh....

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Old 01-14-2009 | 09:25 AM
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See i use to like the glass roof set up, but more and more it seems like the extra weight isn't worth the change.
Old 01-14-2009 | 10:20 AM
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Renault wants there design back.
Old 01-14-2009 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44

I like the overall shape and glass roof. I wonder if others will see what i see in the article.
Were you referring to the Suicide doors?

Or the Jacking of Mazda's smart idle start/stop system.
Old 01-14-2009 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Symbioticgenius
Or the Jacking of Mazda's smart idle start/stop system.
I believe Ford has (or had? not sure if they did sell it) the controlling share in Mazda, so I don't think they really stole anything there......


Interesting car though, especially for a Lincoln, being so small and all. Looks nice

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Old 01-14-2009 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ndhoffma
I believe Ford has (or had? not sure if they did sell it) the controlling share in Mazda, so I don't think they really stole anything there......
"had" is correct though they will still continue to share components and technologies
Old 01-14-2009 | 12:33 PM
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Yes Jacking the SISS


they sold their shares and there was no indication what so ever that Ford was thinking of using the Mazda system previously.

Now this Lincoln C project was started 8 months ago so thats before Mazda announced their new SISS so they had probably already shared the tech. But this shows that Ford is still reliant on Mazda for innovation.

Like i said i hope if Ford does want to use this system they have to license it from Mazda

Check out this TopGear i found on the Renault on streetsoffire.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...ime_199780.htm

They all really like the Renault but it apparently didnt do well sales wise
Old 01-14-2009 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Renault wants there design back.
Furthur study shows its not even Renault's design and wasnt even built by Renault. It was designed and Built by a French company called Matra and badged/sold as a Renault.

Interestingly Renault had another car about the same time with a similar silhouette but was bigger. The Vel Satis



they actually showed a new concept for a Future Vel Satis at Detroit a couple years ago

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I think what hurts Lincoln more than anything is the word "Lincoln". Scrap Mercury, rename Lincoln something like "Zephyr", stick w/ AWD cars only (for the Ford derived models), introduce a really pretty RWD luxury coupe with a retractable hard top and somewhat tidy proportions (a Benz SL type car) kill any truck based SUV (that's what Ford's for), never use the name "Town Car" ever again, make a true hybrid variant of it's crossover, pick a better looking styling direction (and stick to it) and go from there. I think Lincoln had something going looks-wise w/ this concept (below) but the production version didn't quite come off the same way.
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Old 01-14-2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Renault wants there design back.
lol was going to post that renault lol.
Old 01-14-2009 | 01:08 PM
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totally agree richter- they dumbed that car down too much. they should have stuck much closer to the concept
Old 01-14-2009 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JRichter
I think what hurts Lincoln more than anything is the word "Lincoln". Scrap Mercury, rename Lincoln something like "Zephyr", stick w/ AWD cars only (for the Ford derived models), introduce a really pretty RWD luxury coupe with a retractable hard top and somewhat tidy proportions (a Benz SL type car) kill any truck based SUV (that's what Ford's for), never use the name "Town Car" ever again, make a true hybrid variant of it's crossover, pick a better looking styling direction (and stick to it) and go from there. I think Lincoln had something going looks-wise w/ this concept (below) but the production version didn't quite come off the same way.
That concept was at the Orlando Auto show, you should of heard the buzz about the vehicle, it caused quite a stir. All i could hear from people looking at the concept, "if Lincoln would build a car like this , I would consider buying such a vehicle".

People are ready to buy , if manufactures create interesting cars. That concept was really nice looking, the roof is in the shape of there logo. And the interior had a swoopy clean feel to it, it had a nice road presence to it too, its about the size of a Mercedes CL550 coupe.

Lincoln really needs to follow the likes of Caddy, ditch those tired names like you mentioned Jrichter and start over with some fresh designs that capture the soul and grace of a luxury vehicle.

Caddy did it with there wedge shaped vehicles and general public warmed up to there news style pretty quickly. Caddy was once in the same boat as Lincoln , now look at them , there brand reputation is sparkly clean and resepcted in the luxury world again.
Old 01-14-2009 | 01:42 PM
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Agree JRichter. Now that's what a Lincoln should look like.
Old 01-14-2009 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DailyDriver2k5
Caddy did it with there wedge shaped vehicles and general public warmed up to there news style pretty quickly. Caddy was once in the same boat as Lincoln , now look at them , there brand reputation is sparkly clean and resepcted in the luxury world again.
Yeah, Caddy really got their act together around the start of this century and are now really representing what the Cadillac name stood for back in the first half of the 20th century. There has been several models I would proudly (enthusiastically) drive from Cadillac in recent years and I never thought I would say that 10 years ago.
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Glass roof? Doubt it.


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