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01-16-2007, 04:15 PM
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Bern, its probably a combination of your stated circumstances along with the state of the rules and the way they work. With the current rules configuration, it seems that Mazda NA could not make the rotary into the engine they want. In order to get a package that would work, it would require Mazda and the ACO to reach an agreement, without Mazda Japan and their resources I could easily see why another working configuration couldnt happen. Whether or not Mazda ever even went to the ACO could depend on what you state their relationship with Japan is and without that they couldnt take it upon themselves to just throw a turbo on the current engine either. So the true story is probably a combination of all those parts.
Thats all I was trying to state above. Mazda didnt have the ability to simply build one of these engines that would have made enough power, there is a lot behind the scenes that needs to be approved and worked out and its not necessarily that Mazda just wanted to drop the rotary in favor of something else, or didnt have the ability to build the rotary engine that would have worked.
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
Thats all I was trying to state above. Mazda didnt have the ability to simply build one of these engines that would have made enough power, there is a lot behind the scenes that needs to be approved and worked out and its not necessarily that Mazda just wanted to drop the rotary in favor of something else, or didnt have the ability to build the rotary engine that would have worked.
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
01-16-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
01-16-2007, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Bern, its probably a combination of your stated circumstances along with the state of the rules and the way they work. With the current rules configuration, it seems that Mazda NA could not make the rotary into the engine they want.
You also have to consider that to trully optimize a rotary package, a specific dedicated chassis would've had to been built, for the RE. Lola is building a platform which will able to be amortized over several different I-4 engine combos, including customer MZR powered cars. A RE chassis, would've been much less appealing to a chassis manufacturer, and as such Mazda would've had to carry a lot more of the overall develoment cost... not only the RE development, but chassis too. Again RE loses in the effiency and justification battle.
Originally Posted by Race Shooter
In order to get a package that would work, it would require Mazda and the ACO to reach an agreement, without Mazda Japan and their resources I could easily see why another working configuration couldnt happen. Whether or not Mazda ever even went to the ACO could depend on what you state their relationship with Japan is and without that they couldnt take it upon themselves to just throw a turbo on the current engine either. So the true story is probably a combination of all those parts.
Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Thats all I was trying to state above. Mazda didnt have the ability to simply build one of these engines that would have made enough power, there is a lot behind the scenes that needs to be approved and worked out and its not necessarily that Mazda just wanted to drop the rotary in favor of something else, or didnt have the ability to build the rotary engine that would have worked.
Originally Posted by Race Shooter
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
Thanks for coming over to share!
-Bern
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01-16-2007, 07:46 PM
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Here's an interesting tidbit I came across on the internet:
Mike Lancaster of AER was delighted to be able to talk about the new Mazda MZR-R engine at last. Oliver Allan referred to the engine as “half of the V8”, rather than a relation of the company’s four cylinder engine which has been around since 2001.
Here are the details of the AER P32 V8:
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/aerturbolmp1v8.html
Here are a couple of interesting highlights:
Details: direct fuel injection...
Then it says:
At this time the direct injection feature has not been implemented though the cylinder heads have been designed from the start anticipating this feature.
Interesting to say the least. AER has basically taken their V8 engine, cut it in half and is basically branding it as a MZR-R. Where's the Mazda technology coming into play if AER already has an engine that is designed for DI that it is basing this new one off of? Of course this is a new engine. It's a half of the V8 and not their I4. That's not the same engine and that's not a lie but the truth is a bit exagerrated. It's half of an existing engine with the DI feature working. We are being led to believe that it is a brand new clean sheet of paper design as a collaboration between AER and Mazda when it's nothing more than a part of a current engine. Sure it's a new engine but let's at least be honest about it's origins.
Mike Lancaster of AER was delighted to be able to talk about the new Mazda MZR-R engine at last. Oliver Allan referred to the engine as “half of the V8”, rather than a relation of the company’s four cylinder engine which has been around since 2001.
Here are the details of the AER P32 V8:
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/aerturbolmp1v8.html
Here are a couple of interesting highlights:
Details: direct fuel injection...
Then it says:
At this time the direct injection feature has not been implemented though the cylinder heads have been designed from the start anticipating this feature.
Interesting to say the least. AER has basically taken their V8 engine, cut it in half and is basically branding it as a MZR-R. Where's the Mazda technology coming into play if AER already has an engine that is designed for DI that it is basing this new one off of? Of course this is a new engine. It's a half of the V8 and not their I4. That's not the same engine and that's not a lie but the truth is a bit exagerrated. It's half of an existing engine with the DI feature working. We are being led to believe that it is a brand new clean sheet of paper design as a collaboration between AER and Mazda when it's nothing more than a part of a current engine. Sure it's a new engine but let's at least be honest about it's origins.
01-16-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
....Interesting to say the least. AER has basically taken their V8 engine, cut it in half and is basically branding it as a MZR-R...
-Bern
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01-17-2007, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
Though I would've liked it more if you came from the ALMS forums and not NASCARTV... I mean SpeedTV. :D
01-17-2007, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Bern, its probably a combination of your stated circumstances along with the state of the rules and the way they work. With the current rules configuration, it seems that Mazda NA could not make the rotary into the engine they want. In order to get a package that would work, it would require Mazda and the ACO to reach an agreement, without Mazda Japan and their resources I could easily see why another working configuration couldnt happen. Whether or not Mazda ever even went to the ACO could depend on what you state their relationship with Japan is and without that they couldnt take it upon themselves to just throw a turbo on the current engine either. So the true story is probably a combination of all those parts.
Thats all I was trying to state above. Mazda didnt have the ability to simply build one of these engines that would have made enough power, there is a lot behind the scenes that needs to be approved and worked out and its not necessarily that Mazda just wanted to drop the rotary in favor of something else, or didnt have the ability to build the rotary engine that would have worked.
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
Thats all I was trying to state above. Mazda didnt have the ability to simply build one of these engines that would have made enough power, there is a lot behind the scenes that needs to be approved and worked out and its not necessarily that Mazda just wanted to drop the rotary in favor of something else, or didnt have the ability to build the rotary engine that would have worked.
BTW, I did see this from the SpeedTV board and signed up because I thought some might like to know how things work in the series and that it wasnt necessarily the lack of foresight or ability on Mazda NA's or B-K's part.
my poin its this, we are rotary enthusiast, now imagine if porche or audi bought AER engines an label them as porche or audi, what will theyr fans think?
when they win the lemans 24hrs , was it audi or AER? in this case mazda?
I would have takeng it more easy if the engine was a cosworth
01-17-2007, 02:47 PM
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I highly doubt Mazda/BK had the time to go it alone at this stage considering they're switching power plants. Why not utilize a company that already has a viable product and with colaboration eventually function more independently. The engine they provide to the Champ Car Atlantic Series is prepared by Cosworth apparently.
My hope is that this effort with AER will make them competitive sooner rather than later and in the long run will help in the development of engines they run in their street cars. Regardless of what they run they're going to need a much bigger commitment to be successful IMO....hopefully this is what they're doing.
My hope is that this effort with AER will make them competitive sooner rather than later and in the long run will help in the development of engines they run in their street cars. Regardless of what they run they're going to need a much bigger commitment to be successful IMO....hopefully this is what they're doing.
01-18-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
welcome to the site, and thanks for your info
my poin its this, we are rotary enthusiast, now imagine if porche or audi bought AER engines an label them as porche or audi, what will theyr fans think?
when they win the lemans 24hrs , was it audi or AER? in this case mazda?
I would have takeng it more easy if the engine was a cosworth
my poin its this, we are rotary enthusiast, now imagine if porche or audi bought AER engines an label them as porche or audi, what will theyr fans think?
when they win the lemans 24hrs , was it audi or AER? in this case mazda?
I would have takeng it more easy if the engine was a cosworth
Well, that is done more often than you think. The original MGs that raced at Le Mans, as we all knew them later were Lolas with AER engines, both of which were badged MG.
Audi does build their engines (or they keep the builder very secret), but their chassis are all made by Dallara, so they arent really Audis.
Chrysler and Cadillac didnt build their prototypes either, though they were badged that way.
So its done more often than many think.
The way I see it is that prototypes are just that, prototypes, they arent anything you can buy from a manufacturer for the street, you just hope that they use some of their own technology in the build.
In this case, while it would have been great to have the rotary survive, as that is what Mazda motorsports has been known for since their start, it didnt work out. As long as Mazda allows AER to use Mazda tech to build the engine, then its relevant to company. A block is a block, if the head is built with Mazda tech, then its good for the company and hopefully they can use racing to advance it to some degree as well. And to the casual fan, they can always say that X technology is used to power the race car, and in the end, thats all they really want to say.
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the point you make its the same that manufacturers use to convince people that this is ok, if your tecnology its no good buy some of your competition.
Well since mazda wants a 24hr daytona victory, why dont they buy a toyota engine an go for it?
I know many have done it but it doest make it ok, we all love mazda because to tnis point they only use another manufacturer to make the chassis but the engine's whare always mazda's.
Well since mazda wants a 24hr daytona victory, why dont they buy a toyota engine an go for it?
I know many have done it but it doest make it ok, we all love mazda because to tnis point they only use another manufacturer to make the chassis but the engine's whare always mazda's.
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Well, if you really want to split hairs, neither are any of their other engines. Mazda themselves did not build the rotaries either, folks like Spencer and others built the engines based on Mazda technology. Same in this case, AER is building Mazda a race engine using Mazda technology to do it, they are just doing it with a piston engine instead of a rotary.
The rotary was obviously a little more unique so it was a little closer to a true Mazda engine, but in the case of the AER, a block is basically a block, so the fact its not a factory Mazda block isnt a big deal, AER is using the rest of the mazda tech though to build the engine, so arguably its not that different than the previous rotaries.
About the only TRUE manufacturer build cars out there are the Porsche 911 GT3 RSRs and the Ferrari 430s, they are fully built by Porsche and Ferrari. Panoz are built by Multimatic, the Vettes are built by Pratt and Miller with engines built by Katech, and Prodrive builds the Astons.
Manufacturers dont really build their cars anymore that often, they have professional race car builders build their cars and motors using what little bit of technology from the manufacturer they can.
Its a racing engine with Mazda tech, so its badged a Mazda. Same as the rest of the racing community.
The rotary was obviously a little more unique so it was a little closer to a true Mazda engine, but in the case of the AER, a block is basically a block, so the fact its not a factory Mazda block isnt a big deal, AER is using the rest of the mazda tech though to build the engine, so arguably its not that different than the previous rotaries.
About the only TRUE manufacturer build cars out there are the Porsche 911 GT3 RSRs and the Ferrari 430s, they are fully built by Porsche and Ferrari. Panoz are built by Multimatic, the Vettes are built by Pratt and Miller with engines built by Katech, and Prodrive builds the Astons.
Manufacturers dont really build their cars anymore that often, they have professional race car builders build their cars and motors using what little bit of technology from the manufacturer they can.
Its a racing engine with Mazda tech, so its badged a Mazda. Same as the rest of the racing community.
01-20-2007, 02:51 PM
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^ So simply put, most if not all the car companies just pay other "racing" companies to build these cars. The badging just goes to whomeva paid to have the car made.
I'll admit I'm bit hurt 'bout the choice to leave the rotary but as has been previously said its not Mazda Japans decision but Mazda America. Hopefully maybe possibly some of the race tech will funnel down to the 3 and 6 (doubtful but we can dream lol).
I'll admit I'm bit hurt 'bout the choice to leave the rotary but as has been previously said its not Mazda Japans decision but Mazda America. Hopefully maybe possibly some of the race tech will funnel down to the 3 and 6 (doubtful but we can dream lol).
01-20-2007, 03:09 PM
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Actually Spencer, Engman and others have built Mazda rotaries using Mazda engine parts. The only exception to this being with the Ianetti apex seals but he knows people at Mazda. Sometimes specially built aluminum housings but still Mazda built parts. AER is NOT doing the same thing I assure you. All rotaries that we've seen racing in ALMS, GT, etc that have been Mazda sponsored have had their parts built by Mazda Japan. Their assembly may have been done here but they are all Mazda engines and not engine parts made or improved by another company. The rotary is unique in this regards. Even BK was using all Mazda parts. Much of these actual used parts date back to the 80's which was the last time that Mazda built them. AER is badging an engine with Mazda's name on it but it is really their (AER) engine when it comes down to it.
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Originally Posted by Race Shooter
Well, if you really want to split hairs, neither are any of their other engines. Mazda themselves did not build the rotaries either, folks like Spencer and others built the engines based on Mazda technology. Same in this case, AER is building Mazda a race engine using Mazda technology to do it, they are just doing it with a piston engine instead of a rotary.
The rotary was obviously a little more unique so it was a little closer to a true Mazda engine, but in the case of the AER, a block is basically a block, so the fact its not a factory Mazda block isnt a big deal, AER is using the rest of the mazda tech though to build the engine, so arguably its not that different than the previous rotaries.
About the only TRUE manufacturer build cars out there are the Porsche 911 GT3 RSRs and the Ferrari 430s, they are fully built by Porsche and Ferrari. Panoz are built by Multimatic, the Vettes are built by Pratt and Miller with engines built by Katech, and Prodrive builds the Astons.
Manufacturers dont really build their cars anymore that often, they have professional race car builders build their cars and motors using what little bit of technology from the manufacturer they can.
Its a racing engine with Mazda tech, so its badged a Mazda. Same as the rest of the racing community.
The rotary was obviously a little more unique so it was a little closer to a true Mazda engine, but in the case of the AER, a block is basically a block, so the fact its not a factory Mazda block isnt a big deal, AER is using the rest of the mazda tech though to build the engine, so arguably its not that different than the previous rotaries.
About the only TRUE manufacturer build cars out there are the Porsche 911 GT3 RSRs and the Ferrari 430s, they are fully built by Porsche and Ferrari. Panoz are built by Multimatic, the Vettes are built by Pratt and Miller with engines built by Katech, and Prodrive builds the Astons.
Manufacturers dont really build their cars anymore that often, they have professional race car builders build their cars and motors using what little bit of technology from the manufacturer they can.
Its a racing engine with Mazda tech, so its badged a Mazda. Same as the rest of the racing community.
OK, so they did it before, a little bid of history here, the cars that replace the 787B in lemans had judd engines, the mxr-01 (beutifull car by the way), but it was a unique situasion and they dind do that well either.
01-22-2007, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
As RG said, the rotary engines in the past had 90% of their parts built by mazda, even most of the piston engines that mazda has race in the past where all mazda engines, the engines use in the mx-6 gtu cars of the late 80s early 90s where all mazda engines as I recall.
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
OK, so they did it before, a little bit of history here, the cars that replace the 787B in lemans had judd engines, the mxr-01 (beutifull car by the way), but it was a unique situasion and they dind do that well either.
here's the run down on the MXR-01... sounds familiar:
Mazda MXR-01
The Mazda MXR-01 was a Group C sportscar used by Mazda's factory team Mazdaspeed in the 1992 World Sportscar Championship season.
Following Mazda's success in winning the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans with their rotary powered 787B, Mazda had hoped to continue in sportscar racing and prove that their lone win was not a fluke. However, with the reorganizing of the World Sportscar Championship in 1992 by the FIA, Mazda found itself with a problem in that their rotary engines were now banned. Instead, teams would be required to use technologically advanced V10 powerplants similar to those used in Formula 1. Mazda, not having had many racing engines outside of their rotaries, decided that the cost of developing an entirely different engine was not worth it, especially with budgetary concerns within the company. At the same time, if Mazda were to use a V10 powerplant, they would be required to built an entire different car, since the 787B could never hold a V10.
Thus, Mazda came to the decision of buying an existing V10 engine. They turned to Judd (Engine Developments), who had developed their GV10 3.5L V10 for Formula 1 in 1991, and arranged a deal in which the Judd engines would be badged as Mazdas, carrying the name MV10.
For a new chassis, Mazda also turned to an existing design, this time going to Tom Walkinshaw Racing (TWR), who had worked with Jaguar until they dropped out of sportscar racing at the end of 1991. Jaguar's final entry, the XJR-14, was offered by TWR to customers for 1992, and Mazda jumped at the opportunity to use the car which helped win the 1991 championship for Jaguar. Again, the car would be rebadged and renamed as the Mazda MXR-01.
Unfortunately, although the XJR-14 was the 1991 champion, it had not been updated since the end of that season, and Mazda had neither the technical understanding of the XJR-14 nor the cash flow to continually upgrade their MXR-01 on the same scale as Peugeot and Toyota were able to do in 1992. Their Judd powerplant was also considerably underpowered in comparison to the other factory teams. However, still being a factory-backed team, Mazda was able to finish third in the team's championship, with a best result of second in the 500km of Silverstone, as well as an honorable fourth in their return to Le Mans. Throughout the season the team ran only a single-car effort, with the exception being two cars for Le Mans.
In Japan, Mazdaspeed campaigned a single MXR-01 in the All Japan Sports Prototype Championship, was equally unsuccessful, finishing 2nd in the constructor's championship, although it had only two other competitors in Toyota and Nissan, although in races where the MXR-01 had no competition in its class, it did not score points, which affect its points total.
After the 1993 seasons of both the WSC and JSPC was cancelled, and the RX-792P was deemed a failure in IMSA, Mazda was forced to drop out of sportscar racing altogether.
The Mazda MXR-01 was a Group C sportscar used by Mazda's factory team Mazdaspeed in the 1992 World Sportscar Championship season.
Following Mazda's success in winning the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans with their rotary powered 787B, Mazda had hoped to continue in sportscar racing and prove that their lone win was not a fluke. However, with the reorganizing of the World Sportscar Championship in 1992 by the FIA, Mazda found itself with a problem in that their rotary engines were now banned. Instead, teams would be required to use technologically advanced V10 powerplants similar to those used in Formula 1. Mazda, not having had many racing engines outside of their rotaries, decided that the cost of developing an entirely different engine was not worth it, especially with budgetary concerns within the company. At the same time, if Mazda were to use a V10 powerplant, they would be required to built an entire different car, since the 787B could never hold a V10.
Thus, Mazda came to the decision of buying an existing V10 engine. They turned to Judd (Engine Developments), who had developed their GV10 3.5L V10 for Formula 1 in 1991, and arranged a deal in which the Judd engines would be badged as Mazdas, carrying the name MV10.
For a new chassis, Mazda also turned to an existing design, this time going to Tom Walkinshaw Racing (TWR), who had worked with Jaguar until they dropped out of sportscar racing at the end of 1991. Jaguar's final entry, the XJR-14, was offered by TWR to customers for 1992, and Mazda jumped at the opportunity to use the car which helped win the 1991 championship for Jaguar. Again, the car would be rebadged and renamed as the Mazda MXR-01.
Unfortunately, although the XJR-14 was the 1991 champion, it had not been updated since the end of that season, and Mazda had neither the technical understanding of the XJR-14 nor the cash flow to continually upgrade their MXR-01 on the same scale as Peugeot and Toyota were able to do in 1992. Their Judd powerplant was also considerably underpowered in comparison to the other factory teams. However, still being a factory-backed team, Mazda was able to finish third in the team's championship, with a best result of second in the 500km of Silverstone, as well as an honorable fourth in their return to Le Mans. Throughout the season the team ran only a single-car effort, with the exception being two cars for Le Mans.
In Japan, Mazdaspeed campaigned a single MXR-01 in the All Japan Sports Prototype Championship, was equally unsuccessful, finishing 2nd in the constructor's championship, although it had only two other competitors in Toyota and Nissan, although in races where the MXR-01 had no competition in its class, it did not score points, which affect its points total.
After the 1993 seasons of both the WSC and JSPC was cancelled, and the RX-792P was deemed a failure in IMSA, Mazda was forced to drop out of sportscar racing altogether.
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Originally Posted by bern
Yes, this was something that was discussed early on at Mazda engineering, and one of the many reasons for the delay in final program announcement. I don't know the particulars of why Mazda wanted the half-V8 instead of the I-4 from AER, but I can only speculate that it did have something to do with the Mazda DI and head technology share, and the more modern engine frame. I'll need to research a bit.
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01-23-2007, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bern
I have bit more information on the choice for the AER 1/2 V8 piston motor... Mazda wanted the V8 platform as a basis of a new motor, because the AER I-4 has not really been updated/developed since 2000, and the V8 was developed in 2005. Mazda and AER are using the half V8 platform as a starting point for a "clean-sheet of paper I-4" in which Mazda is contributing block, and bottom-end technology to the program. They are also looking at integrating their DISI technology ASAP. The turbo technology being developed is also being done with much input from MazdaSpeed engineering staff. Mazda is going to try and incorporate much of their existing prodcution head and fuel injection tech. So, there should be development that will directly effect production products in the future. Mazda Japan is very interested in the project, and will be watching it closely, with the possibilty of contributing some engineering resource...
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Originally Posted by bern
These MX-6 GTU racers were Rotary powered cars.
Yes the MXR-01 was a special case where Mazda wanted to continue at LeMans, and they took an existing race set-up and ran it... as you said, they were not very successful. here's the run down on the MXR-01... sounds familiar:
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Yes the MXR-01 was a special case where Mazda wanted to continue at LeMans, and they took an existing race set-up and ran it... as you said, they were not very successful.
here's the run down on the MXR-01... sounds familiar:-Bern
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
I was very confuse about this issue since some of the people that where involve with the mx-6 program told me they where rotary power but, I have a couple of races recorded and some paper info that says they where piston power.
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01-23-2007, 06:20 PM
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LMP2. Best of luck and much success Mazda!!!
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But back to the topic at hand..........
LMP2. Best of luck and much success Mazda!!!
Paul.
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I promise this year I wont miss it! thanks for the kind words
Im mad at mazda but I am a mazda fan, in fact my firts mazda was not rotary power and I use to love that car, 323 GTX fun little car, so I will see the races an will be happy if the car wins
Im mad at mazda but I am a mazda fan, in fact my firts mazda was not rotary power and I use to love that car, 323 GTX fun little car, so I will see the races an will be happy if the car wins
01-24-2007, 08:04 AM
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Looks like the Acura's are competitive allready, winter test times:
SESSION 1
1. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.280 (124.161 mph)
2. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.500 (123.907 mph)
3. Dyson Racing, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.652 (123.732 mph)
4. Lowe's Fernandez Racing, Lola B05/40-Acura, 1:49.346 (121.815 mph)
5. Highcroft Racing, Courage C75-Acura (LMP2), 1:49.391 (121.765 mph)
6. Andretti Green Racing, Courage LC75-Acura (LMP2), 1:49.493 (121.652 mph)
7. Intersport Racing, Lola B05/40-AER (LMP2), 1:50.032 (121.056 mph)
8. Risi Competizione, Ferrari 430 GT Berlinietta (GT2), 2:01.944 (109.230 mph)
9. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:02.446 (108.783 mph)
10. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03.689 (107.689 mph)
11. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03.863 (107.538 mph)
12. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM, 2:04.029 (107.394 mph)
13. Farnbacher Loles, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.312 (107.150 mph)
14. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.717 (106.802 mph)
15. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:04.730 (106.791 mph)
16. Team Trans Sports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.793 (106.737 mph)
17. Robertson Racing, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:11.983 100.922
18. Autocon Motorsports, Lola EX257-AER (LMP1), 2:42.057 (82.193 mph)
SESSION 2
1. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:219 (124.232 mph)
2. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:447 (124.968 mph)
3. Dyson Racing, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:922 (123.097 mph)
4. Lowe's Fernandez Racing, Lola B05/40-Acura, 1:48:207 (123.370 mph)
5. Andretti Green Racing, Courage 675-Acura (LMP2), 1:49:747 (121.370 mph)
6. Intersport Racing, Lola B05/40-AER (LMP2), 149.940 (121.157 mph)
7. Highcroft Racing, Courage C75-Acura (LMP2), 150.675 (120.352 mph)
8. Autocon Motorsports, Lola EX257-AER (LMP1), 1:54.426 (116.407 mph)
9. Risi Competizione, Ferrari 430 GT-Berlinetta (GT2), 2:02:772 (108.494 mph)
10. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03:429 (107.916 mph)
11. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:03:879 (107.524 mph)
12. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:03:912 (107.496 mph)
13. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2.05.141 (106.440 mph)
14. Farnbacher Loles, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:05:175 (106.411 mph)
15. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:05:177(106.409 mph)
16. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:05:465 (106.165 mph)
17. Robertson Racing, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:09:006 (103.251 mph)
SESSION 1
1. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.280 (124.161 mph)
2. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.500 (123.907 mph)
3. Dyson Racing, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47.652 (123.732 mph)
4. Lowe's Fernandez Racing, Lola B05/40-Acura, 1:49.346 (121.815 mph)
5. Highcroft Racing, Courage C75-Acura (LMP2), 1:49.391 (121.765 mph)
6. Andretti Green Racing, Courage LC75-Acura (LMP2), 1:49.493 (121.652 mph)
7. Intersport Racing, Lola B05/40-AER (LMP2), 1:50.032 (121.056 mph)
8. Risi Competizione, Ferrari 430 GT Berlinietta (GT2), 2:01.944 (109.230 mph)
9. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:02.446 (108.783 mph)
10. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03.689 (107.689 mph)
11. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03.863 (107.538 mph)
12. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM, 2:04.029 (107.394 mph)
13. Farnbacher Loles, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.312 (107.150 mph)
14. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.717 (106.802 mph)
15. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:04.730 (106.791 mph)
16. Team Trans Sports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:04.793 (106.737 mph)
17. Robertson Racing, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:11.983 100.922
18. Autocon Motorsports, Lola EX257-AER (LMP1), 2:42.057 (82.193 mph)
SESSION 2
1. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:219 (124.232 mph)
2. Penske Motorsports, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:447 (124.968 mph)
3. Dyson Racing, Porsche RS Spyder (LMP2), 1:47:922 (123.097 mph)
4. Lowe's Fernandez Racing, Lola B05/40-Acura, 1:48:207 (123.370 mph)
5. Andretti Green Racing, Courage 675-Acura (LMP2), 1:49:747 (121.370 mph)
6. Intersport Racing, Lola B05/40-AER (LMP2), 149.940 (121.157 mph)
7. Highcroft Racing, Courage C75-Acura (LMP2), 150.675 (120.352 mph)
8. Autocon Motorsports, Lola EX257-AER (LMP1), 1:54.426 (116.407 mph)
9. Risi Competizione, Ferrari 430 GT-Berlinetta (GT2), 2:02:772 (108.494 mph)
10. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR, 2:03:429 (107.916 mph)
11. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:03:879 (107.524 mph)
12. Tafel Racing, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:03:912 (107.496 mph)
13. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2.05.141 (106.440 mph)
14. Farnbacher Loles, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:05:175 (106.411 mph)
15. Panoz Team PTG, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:05:177(106.409 mph)
16. Flying Lizard Motorsports, Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT2), 2:05:465 (106.165 mph)
17. Robertson Racing, Panoz Esperante GTLM (GT2), 2:09:006 (103.251 mph)
01-24-2007, 10:33 AM
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I see a trend here. Out of the 7 LMP2 cars that are out there with their times so far, the only one powered by AER is in last place time wise. It looks like Mazda with AER power will continue their tradition in ALMS! 
I kid, I kid... I know full well these numbers don't mean anything yet and Mazdas not out there yet either.
I kid, I kid... I know full well these numbers don't mean anything yet and Mazdas not out there yet either.